Gardaí: Provo Army Council oversees PIRA & SF

smurgen

Faugheen wrote: »

F*cking hell some of the hysteria in here.

‘Serious questions’ need to be asked of Charlie Flanagan for appointing Drew Harris because he said the Gardai holds the same view as MI5 and the PSNI. Christ on a bike there’s clutching at straws then there’s making tinfoil hats out of them.

Proper Flat Earth level stuff from some people here. Have a day off, lads.

His appointment was highly unusual at the time out of line with international norms.now given his interference in our political process and the slurring of political party I think he needs proper investigation.

alastair

careless sherpa wrote: »

He was caught with armed police officers from another jurisdiction at Garda HQ when they did not have any authorisation. Pretty serious breach which seemed to be hushed up.

The PSNI have been allowed carry sidearms in this State since 2013. A reciprocal arrangement when travelling with high level security personnel. There wasn’t any breach.

gormdubhgorm

I just had a nose at wiki to see who is or was on the IRA Army Council

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRA_Army_Council#Membership

At the General Army Convention in May 2005, The Sunday Times reported that the following changes were made to the IRA Army Council:

Bernard Fox replaced Brian Keenan
Brian Arthurs and Sean Murray were named as possible replacements for Gerry Adams
Martin "Duckster" Lynch replaced Martin McGuinness
Martin Ferris was also reported to have stepped down
The Sunday Times reported in July 2005 that security sources believed that the current Army Council consisted of:

Thomas "Slab" Murphy, chief of staff
Brian Arthurs, Commander, Provisional IRA East Tyrone Brigade
Bernard Fox, a former hunger striker (on 24 September 2006, The Sunday Times reported that Fox had resigned from the Army Council)
Sean "Spike" Murray, from Belfast, OC of Northern Command
Martin Lynch, Adjutant-general, an Adams supporter from Belfast
Brian Gillen, from Belfast
A Dublin man who cannot be named for legal reasons

Some of it reads like a list of boxers or fellas from some corner boys gang.
Sorry I should pay them due respect and refer to them as 'leading republicans' as Gerry Adams does.

1641

timhenn wrote: »

We established yesterday that the PIRA did some horrible things but were on the right side of the war

We established no such thing. We established that this is your viewpoint. It was, according to you, a 35 year odd valiant war between "good guys" (IRA) and bad guys (everyone else) in which the "good guys" were just "defending their communities" with town centre bombs, proxy bombs, assassination of innocent people coming out from Mass (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Mary_Travers), local intimidation, etc, etc, .


These "good guys" were directed by good "long term republicans". Just as "long term republicans" continue to sit on the Sinn Fein Ard Comhairle so that Sinn Fein politicians can run any policies, ideas, decisions, etc up to them for approval, or not.

careless sherpa

alastair wrote: »

The PSNI have been allowed carry sidearms in this State since 2013. A reciprocal arrangement when travelling with high level security personnel. There wasn’t any breach.

When proper prior approval was sought and granted. Not in this case. So you think the armed response unit could drive from cavan to clones?

Mortelaro

smurgen wrote: »

His appointment was highly unusual at the time out of line with international norms.now given his interference in our political process and the slurring of political party I think he needs proper investigation.

Hang on a second, the influence of the IRA army Council on Sinn Fein is regarded as a slur now by Republicans?
Wash your mouth out with soap

1641

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I just had a nose at wiki to see who is or was on the IRA Army Council

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRA_Army_Council#Membership

At the General Army Convention in May 2005, The Sunday Times reported that the following changes were made to the IRA Army Council:

Bernard Fox replaced Brian Keenan
Brian Arthurs and Sean Murray were named as possible replacements for Gerry Adams
Martin "Duckster" Lynch replaced Martin McGuinness
Martin Ferris was also reported to have stepped down
The Sunday Times reported in July 2005 that security sources believed that the current Army Council consisted of:

Thomas "Slab" Murphy, chief of staff
Brian Arthurs, Commander, Provisional IRA East Tyrone Brigade
Bernard Fox, a former hunger striker (on 24 September 2006, The Sunday Times reported that Fox had resigned from the Army Council)
Sean "Spike" Murray, from Belfast, OC of Northern Command
Martin Lynch, Adjutant-general, an Adams supporter from Belfast
Brian Gillen, from Belfast
A Dublin man who cannot be named for legal reasons

Some of it reads like a list of boxers or fellas from some corner boys gang.
Sorry I should pay them due respect and refer to them as 'leading republicans' as Gerry Adams does.

I wonder is this the same Martin Lynch that Finance Minister O'Muilleoir had to defer to (among others) before making a ministerial decision? -


An example of a Sinn Fein puppet finance minister:

"Texts and emails in late January 2017 show that minister for finance Máirtín Ó Muilleoir had to get approval from unelected senior republican Ted Howell, better known for being an IRA go-between in the 1990s..
Ó Muilleoir had been asked to approve a plan to slash the costs of a scheme that by then had been closed to new entrants for almost a year, but officials fretted that he was taking too long.
Fearing that efforts to bring RHI under control would fail, David Sterling, then the civil service head in Finance and now Northern Ireland’s most senior official, told a fellow mandarin by text that he feared Ó Muilleoir was “acting under instruction”.
Despite being urged by officials to accept the curbs , Ó Muilleoir also consulted with senior former IRA members such as Padraic Wilson and Martin Lynch, who have no elected role and are largely unknown to the public.
Ó Muilleoir told the inquiry that Howell had been “brought back to chair a crisis committee” for Sinn Féin but insisted that he was only consulting him “about the timing” of his decision, not about what the decision should be.
No one involved was an expert in renewable energy, finance or law, yet they were in pole position as Ó Muilleoir considered proposals to retrospectively slash subsidies that had been promised for 20 years."

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/irel...norm-1.3756468

Mortelaro

careless sherpa wrote: »

When proper prior approval was sought and granted. Not in this case. So you think the armed response unit could drive from cavan to clones?

References please

alastair

careless sherpa wrote: »

When proper prior approval was sought and granted. Not in this case. So you think the armed response unit could drive from cavan to clones?

The Gardai and PSNI both made clear that normal procedures were followed. The rules are for security escorts, not any random policing activity, so, no, the armed response unit can’t cross the border unless they are engaged in an escort duty.

careless sherpa

Mortelaro wrote: »

References please

References for what?

smurgen

Mortelaro wrote: »

Hang on a second, the influence of the IRA army Council on Sinn Fein is regarded as a slur now by Republicans?
Wash your mouth out with soap

I would say that there's more chance of Harris working with MI5 than there is Sinn Fein working with the IRA army council.

timhenn

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I just had a nose at wiki to see who is or was on the IRA Army Council

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRA_Army_Council#Membership

At the General Army Convention in May 2005, The Sunday Times reported that the following changes were made to the IRA Army Council:

Bernard Fox replaced Brian Keenan
Brian Arthurs and Sean Murray were named as possible replacements for Gerry Adams
Martin "Duckster" Lynch replaced Martin McGuinness
Martin Ferris was also reported to have stepped down
The Sunday Times reported in July 2005 that security sources believed that the current Army Council consisted of:

Thomas "Slab" Murphy, chief of staff
Brian Arthurs, Commander, Provisional IRA East Tyrone Brigade
Bernard Fox, a former hunger striker (on 24 September 2006, The Sunday Times reported that Fox had resigned from the Army Council)
Sean "Spike" Murray, from Belfast, OC of Northern Command
Martin Lynch, Adjutant-general, an Adams supporter from Belfast
Brian Gillen, from Belfast
A Dublin man who cannot be named for legal reasons

Some of it reads like a list of boxers or fellas from some corner boys gang.
Sorry I should pay them due respect and refer to them as 'leading republicans' as Gerry Adams does.

They were almost as bad as these corner boys:

Patrick Pearse
James Connolly
Tom Clarke
Seán MacDermott
Joseph Plunkett
Éamonn Ceannt
Thomas MacDonagh

alastair

timhenn wrote: »

They were almost as bad as these corner boys:

Patrick Pearse
James Connolly
Tom Clarke
Seán MacDermott
Joseph Plunkett
Éamonn Ceannt
Thomas MacDonagh

Plunkett was a fierce man for the diesel laundering.

IAMAMORON

smurgen wrote: »

I think it's a big mistake to have him as commissioner and I think this week has proven why.
I remember in the run up to his hiring the government asked other EU countries if they'd hire a commissioner from another nation and none said they would. They also asked would they hire a commissioner with dual nationality and only one out of 23 said they would. Let me see if I can dig out that report.

The mistake is made now. On what basis? I mean he is from the island for starters, I would imagine he is unionist politically, although who knows? His father was murdered so I would doubt he is a pro freedom fighter for starters.

I have no issue with it as I said, he has no connections with the top table of the Gards, no allegiances, favourites etc. Although he would have worked closely with the National Surveillance Unit, intelligence is his game as far as I know. He would have heard rumours off any pals he met in the Gards prior to his appointment... and yes Gards and RUC/PSNI officers no doubt build up relationships over the years. They are certainly drinking pints together after the Rugby and what have you.

Would you honestly want some former UK chief constable over here picking up 1/4 of a million to hang around the Phoenix Park? Sounds like a joke if I am honest. As I said in a previous post there really wasn't a suitable candidate in the Gards. They are a difficult breed to deal with at the best of times, they are always right, they have the law on their side, you cannot cross them. Who better than a leading member of the PSNI?

I think it is worth adding that Europeans don't really have an iota about the intricacies of policing an animal like Ireland. They don't know what we have seen and what we have been through, they don't have anything to do with it really. They have seen where we have been, but they don't feel it.

timhenn

1641 wrote: »

We established no such thing. We established that this is your viewpoint. It was, according to you, a 35 year odd valiant war between "good guys" (IRA) and bad guys (everyone else) in which the "good guys" were just "defending their communities" with town centre bombs, proxy bombs, assassination of innocent people coming out from Mass (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Mary_Travers), local intimidation, etc, etc, .


These "good guys" were directed by good "long term republicans". Just as "long term republicans" continue to sit on the Sinn Fein Ard Comhairle so that Sinn Fein politicians can run any policies, ideas, decisions, etc up to them for approval, or not.

We established that the PIRA stuck with military targets for the most part and the british side stuck with civilian targets for the most part.

The PIRA killed over 1,000 members of the british security forces, by comparison, the british side killed over 1,000 innocents.

The PIRA were fighting to save their communities and later to free them from british misrule. The british side were fighting to terrorise nationalist communities and to force them to remain within the uk. As an Irish person, can you tell me why the PIRA were the bad guys in this scenario?

Huntergonzo

Apparently SF are looking to hold a series of public rallies now in order to garner further support.

There was a guy in Germany who used to do the same back in the 1930s......jus sayin' is all.

timhenn

alastair wrote: »

Plunkett was a fierce man for the diesel laundering.

Yes and all of them loved killing women and kids and the police force. That can be excused by the hypocrites though.

smurgen

alastair wrote: »

The Gardai and PSNI both made clear that normal procedures were followed. The rules are for security escorts, not any random policing activity, so, no, the armed response unit can’t cross the border unless they are engaged in an escort duty.

There was a break in procedure also where he stayed in the PSNI jeep that crashed into Garda hq barriers. They're meant to switch to Garda cars in the Republic.He seems to forget what force he's working for from day to day if you ask me.

https://www.thejournal.ie/drew-harris-security-psni-jeep-4594584-Apr2019/

timhenn

Huntergonzo wrote: »

Apparently SF are looking to hold a series of public rallies now in order to garner further support.

There was a guy in Germany who used to do the same back in the 1930s......jus sayin' is all.

Flanagan's father was a big fan. Jus sayin.

alastair

timhenn wrote: »

We established that the PIRA stuck with military targets for the most part and the british side stuck with civilian targets for the most part.

The PIRA killed over 1,000 members of the british security forces, by comparison, the british side killed over 1,000 innocents.

The PIRA were fighting to save their communities and later to free them from british misrule. The british side were fighting to terrorise nationalist communities and to force them to remain within the uk. As an Irish person, can you tell me why the PIRA were the bad guys in this scenario?

Actual breakdown (you’re equating loyalists with British security forces):

timhenn

alastair wrote: »

Actual breakdown:

That backs up exactly what I just said. Thanks.

Huntergonzo

timhenn wrote: »

Flanagan's father was a big fan. Jus sayin.

Be interesting to see how these 'public rallies' go, would you join one yourself?

Tazz T

Huntergonzo wrote: »

Apparently SF are looking to hold a series of public rallies now in order to garner further support.

There was a guy in Germany who used to do the same back in the 1930s......jus sayin' is all.

Fine Gael were fond of that too. Blueshirts... just saying 'n' all.

smurgen

timhenn wrote: »

Yes and all of them loved killing women and kids and the police force. That can be excused by the hypocrites though.

Imagine Fine Gael supporter hate SF so much they'll slur our history and republican hero's in anger. You guys remind me of the Trump Republican supporters who hate the Democrats so much they starter wearing I'd rather be a Russian than a Democrat t-shirts.

timhenn

Huntergonzo wrote: »

Apparently SF are looking to hold a series of public rallies now in order to garner further support.

There was a guy in Germany who used to do the same back in the 1930s......jus sayin' is all.

Flanagan's father:

"There is one thing that Germany did, and that was to rout the Jews out of their country. Until we rout the Jews out of this country it does not matter a hair's breadth what orders you make. Where the bees are there is the honey, and where the Jews are there is the money."

Flanagan wants to commemorate the black and tans, he appointed a former member of a murderous organisation as head of police. This man is not to be trusted.

timhenn

Huntergonzo wrote: »

Be interesting to see how these 'public rallies' go, would you join one yourself?

Do you want to rout out the jews like Flanagan snr?

Mortelaro

smurgen wrote: »

than there is Sinn Fein working with the IRA army council.

Oh yeah, we're back to the, there's no sex in Ireland outside of marriage line then
Ok

Huntergonzo

Tazz T wrote: »

Fine Gael were fond of that too. Blueshirts... just saying 'n' all.

When's the next blueshirt rally?

You interested in the upcoming SF rallies yourself?

FrancieBrady

Huntergonzo wrote: »

Apparently SF are looking to hold a series of public rallies now in order to garner further support.

There was a guy in Germany who used to do the same back in the 1930s......jus sayin' is all.

Other parties might want to look at how SF operate on the ground. For instance, since 2016 they have been flat out holding meetings about the ramifications of Brexit along both sides of the border. Providing a vehicle for people to voice concerns and also information.

I.E. being useful and proactive with their electorate. These methods pay off. These rallies/meeting are about starting a conversation about change, presumably because SF see the possibility of another election.
Sitting back and depending on the electorate to back you is not something they do.

alastair

smurgen wrote: »

There was a break in procedure also where he stayed in the PSNI jeep that crashed into Garda hq barriers. They're meant to switch to Garda cars in the Republic.He seems to forget what force he's working for from day to day if you ask me.

https://www.thejournal.ie/drew-harris-security-psni-jeep-4594584-Apr2019/

Soo - your concern is with where escorted figures get out of the car? It’s quite the controversy all right!