Gardaí: Provo Army Council oversees PIRA & SF

FrancieBrady

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Last report was in 2011. There have been IRA murders since then.

Apologies the IRC (Independent Reporting Commission)

FrancieBrady

maccored wrote: »

depends on if you believe we have a justice system because the one we have hasnt backed your point. no-one has been arrested and charged with PIRA membership for a recent PIRA murder - thats because they dont actually exist anymore. You believe whatever fairytales you want but dont confuse it with reality

These guys, led by no less than our acting Taoiseach want to be able to have the cake and eat it as well.

lawred2

alastair wrote: »

It’s a U.K. jurisdiction, not a British one. And those flags are either UK or Ulster flags. There is no British flag since 1801. None of the pics show it.

Oh give over. What sort of weird point are you trying to make!

maccored

FrancieBrady wrote: »

These guys, led by no less than our acting Taoiseach want to be able to have the cake and eat it as well.

the Taoiseach knows well what the story is - he's trying to make political hay by talking crap about the opposition. Its the idiots who believe him that make me laugh

Huntergonzo

smurgen wrote: »

Weekend nearly over and Mary Lou still hasn't been arrested. Good lord it's almost like Leo was speaking out of his hoop once again.

Leo is a politician, he speaks out of his hoop all the time, so does Micheal Martin and believe it or not, so does the wonderful Mary Lou.

Sorry if that upsets you though.

dxhound2005

maccored wrote: »

depends on if you believe we have a justice system because the one we have hasnt backed your point. no-one has been arrested and charged with PIRA membership for a recent PIRA murder - thats because they dont actually exist anymore. You believe whatever fairytales you want but dont confuse it with reality

Reality. There is a Property Tax in the North. Sinn Fein no there isn't. Who to believe? Gerry, I was never in the IRA. Everyone else, yes you were. Who to believe?

FrancieBrady

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Reality. There is a Property Tax in the North. Sinn Fein no there isn't. Who to believe? Gerry, I was never in the IRA. Everyone else, yes you were. Who to believe?

.........and pivot.

dxhound2005

FrancieBrady wrote: »

.........and pivot.

How can you trust Mary Lou to tell the truth about the IRA?

smurgen

The only positive about this sorry saga was that Simon Harris appears alive and well tweeting away. I was getting worried.they just kept him so hidden during the election.

dxhound2005

smurgen wrote: »

The only positive about this sorry saga was that Simon Harris appears alive and well tweeting away. I was getting worried.they just kept him so hidden during the election.

Keep us updated, and also on what is in the Indo.

1641

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Depends on who you believe whether the IRA has gone away.

In any event the issue isn't about whether the IRA is engaging in, encouraging or preparing for any form of military activity. Reports suggest that they are not. In fact, the security reports indicate that they have been winung down consistenly over recent years - recruiting, membership, intelligence gathering, etc.


The issue is whether the IRA as an organisation continues to exist (however slimmed down). Not only whether it exists but whether its governing Army Council (which claims to be the legimate government of a 32 county Irish Republic, according to the IRA constitution) is represented on the Ard Comhairle of Sinn Fein. And that these representatives have ultimate say on Sinn Fein actions and decisions, including decisions by Sinn Fein leaders and ministers. Whether this is why, for instance, Finance Minister O'Muilleoir had to get approval from "long term republicans" before making a ministerial decision.
And is that the ultimate reason behind the pledge that all Sinn Fein representaives have to sign :
"...in all matters pertaining to the duties and functions of elected representatives, I will be guided and hold myself amenable to all directions and instructions issued to me by an ard comhairle of Sinn Fein." Pretty clear.
McDonald insists she takes "instructions from no one". Which is it?

https://www.independent.ie/opinion/c...-38918159.html

FrancieBrady

dxhound2005 wrote: »

How can you trust Mary Lou to tell the truth about the IRA?

I don't. I judge that for myself based on what those tasked with the job of 'independently' reviewing it say.

The IRC say they are not operating and are committed to peaceful political means.

woohoo!!!

It's all just doubling down. No one is going to be convinced one way or the other over where they stand. What we do know, it wasn't a vote winner in the lead up to the GE and nor is it after. People want housing and health to be sorted in particular. They're not interested in FFG constantly shifting the goal posts.

Unless the greens agree to go in with FFG, and they do have reasons to but I suspect not enough, then it's another election. With SF announcing these rallies, they're laying down the gauntlet and yet again one step ahead of their opponents.

dxhound2005

1641 wrote: »

In any event the issue isn't about whether the IRA is engaging in, encouraging or preparing for any form of military activity. Reports suggest that they are not. In fact, the security reports indicate that they have been winung down consistenly over recent years - recruiting, membership, intelligence gathering, etc.


The issue is whether the IRA as an organisation continues to exist (however slimmed down). Not only whether it exists but whether its governing Army Council (which claims to be the legimate government of a 32 county Irish Republic, according to the IRA constitution) is represented on the Ard Comhairle of Sinn Fein. And that these representatives have ultimate say on Sinn Fein actions and decisions, including decisions by Sinn Fein leaders and ministers. Whether this is why, for instance, Finance Minister O'Muilleoir had to get approval from "long term republicans" before making a ministerial decision.
And is that the ultimate reason behind the pledge that all Sinn Fein representaives have to sign :
"...in all matters pertaining to the duties and functions of elected representatives, I will be guided and hold myself amenable to all directions and instructions issued to me by an ard comhairle of Sinn Fein." Pretty clear.
McDonald insists she takes "instructions from no one". Which is it?

https://www.independent.ie/opinion/c...-38918159.html

And still some people are amazed that journalists asked the Garda Commissioner what is the latest security assessment. When these characters could be effectively in control of the Department of Justice in a couple of weeks.

JohnnyFlash

Is there any other party in Europe that has links to an illegal criminal organisation?

Huntergonzo

1641 wrote: »

In any event the issue isn't about whether the IRA is engaging in, encouraging or preparing for any form of military activity. Reports suggest that they are not. In fact, the security reports indicate that they have been winung down consistenly over recent years - recruiting, membership, intelligence gathering, etc.


The issue is whether the IRA as an organisation continues to exist (however slimmed down). Not only whether it exists but whether its governing Army Council (which claims to be the legimate government of a 32 county Irish Republic, according to the IRA constitution) is represented on the Ard Comhairle of Sinn Fein. And that these representatives have ultimate say on Sinn Fein actions and decisions, including decisions by Sinn Fein leaders and ministers. Whether this is why, for instance, Finance Minister O'Muilleoir had to get approval from "long term republicans" before making a ministerial decision.
And is that the ultimate reason behind the pledge that all Sinn Fein representaives have to sign :
"...in all matters pertaining to the duties and functions of elected representatives, I will be guided and hold myself amenable to all directions and instructions issued to me by an ard comhairle of Sinn Fein." Pretty clear.
McDonald insists she takes "instructions from no one". Which is it?

https://www.independent.ie/opinion/c...-38918159.html

Good post, but good luck getting a straight answer from the SF foot soldiers on here, they're trained to deflect and hurl abuse, it's their way, very plain to see.

FrancieBrady

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Is there any other party in Europe that has links to an illegal criminal organisation?

Is there another leader of a country that would tolerate an illegal organisation operating in it's jurisdiction and take no action whatsoever? And further...encourage them to get involved in government in another jurisdiction he is partly responsible for?

Spanish Eyes

Ah look, you have to laugh now. Harris relieved he doesn't have to do Health, same for Murphy re Housing.

But the bottom line for me is that I do not want SF anywhere near the Justice or Defence portfolios. I don't care about those who disagree with me, but I wouldn't be a happy bunny about that at all just yet anyway, and probably forever.

If they ever came to coalition (which PR seems to deliver now), let them have the three Hs, housing, homelessness, and Health and show us how great they will be. At no one's expense of course, neither the taxpayer, nor corporates, nor professionals like surgeons on high remuneration tax wise.

Be interesting to see how it will all work out in Utopia for some.

JohnnyFlash

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Is there another leader of a country that would tolerate an illegal organisation operating in it's jurisdiction and take no action whatsoever? And further...encourage them to get involved in government in another jurisdiction he is partly responsible for?

Wasn’t the question I asked, Francis.

woohoo!!!

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Ah look, you have to laugh now. Harris relieved he doesn't have to do Health, same for Murphy re Housing.

But the bottom line for me is that I do not want SF anywhere near the Justice or Defence portfolios. I don't care about those who disagree with me, but I wouldn't be a happy bunny about that at all just yet anyway, and probably forever.

If they ever came to coalition (which PR seems to deliver now), let them have the three Hs, housing, homelessness, and Health and show us how great they will be. At no one's expense of course, neither the taxpayer, nor corporates, nor professionals like surgeons on high remuneration tax wise.

Be interesting to see how it will all work out in Utopia for some.

FFG have underdelivered on the three h's. It is reasonable to express doubts given their track record here.

SF or anyone else are not going to wave a magic wand with a money tree. And I note that you say never regarding SF, cos that is what it really is, there will always be an excuse put forward and FFG are flogging that horse to bear death. And I think that's just alienating more and more people.

1641

woohoo!!! wrote: »

SF or anyone else are not going to wave a magic wand with a money tree..

It seems they have one. Just one example.
Mary Lou promised to reduce the pension age back to 65 after the election started when she detected some votes there. This is despite our aging population and projections that the proportion of over 65s to working age people is set to soar over over the coming decades. And that the number of those over 65s living much longer into old age is set to increase - thus requiring much more in expensive health care and social care (good for them but it is going to put demands on the national finances).


Rather than account for the budgetting implications of all this, Mary Lou blithely declared that "the demographics will look after temselves". Magic!

woohoo!!!

1641 wrote: »

It seems they have one. Just one example.
Mary Lou promised to reduce the pension age back to 65 after the election started when she detected some votes there. This is despite our aging population and projections that the proportion of over 65s to working age people is set to soar over over the coming decades. And that the number of those over 65s living much longer into old age is set to increase - thus requiring much more in expensive health care and social care (good for them but it is going to put demands on the national finances).


Rather than account for the budgetting implications of all this, Mary Lou blithely declared that "the demographics will look after temselves". Magic!

A valid policy criticism.

McMurphy

1641 wrote: »

It seems they have one. Just one example.
Mary Lou promised to reduce the pension age back to 65 after the election started when she detected some votes there. This is despite our aging population and projections that the proportion of over 65s to working age people is set to soar over over the coming decades. And that the number of those over 65s living much longer into old age is set to increase - thus requiring much more in expensive health care and social care (good for them but it is going to put demands on the national finances).


Rather than account for the budgetting implications of all this, Mary Lou blithely declared that "the demographics will look after temselves". Magic!

Strange thing is, the over 65> age group was the only age group that Sinn Fein wasn't the most popular party vote wise.

UDAWINNER

McMurphy wrote: »

Strange thing is, the over 65> age group was the only age group that Sinn Fein wasn't the most popular party vote wise.

why? They already get the pension and would not be concerned with the pension age.
It is the under 65s that they were most popular with SF.

UDAWINNER

some would argue that the labour has links with the official ira. Besides wasn't it a Lab/FG Govt that appionted a Dissident Republican, an active terrorist organisation to the Senate. Strange for "the law and order party":)

McMurphy

UDAWINNER wrote: »

why? They already get the pension and would not be concerned with the pension age.
It is the under 65s that they were most popular with SF.

Over 65 means 65 years old exactly, and then onwards.

Mortelaro

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Is there another leader of a country that would tolerate an illegal organisation operating in it's jurisdiction and take no action whatsoever? And further...encourage them to get involved in government in another jurisdiction he is partly responsible for?

You keep alluding to that as a tool of attack on your political adversaries opposition to SF being in government yet you know the agreed reason why they oppose
Ergo your point/question is meaningless

It neither addresses the issues in labour fine Gael and FF's reasons for not wanting SF in government or solves them
It just deflects (unsuccessfully)

dxhound2005

McMurphy wrote: »

Strange thing is, the over 65> age group was the only age group that Sinn Fein wasn't the most popular party vote wise.

Just as in the overall result there was very little between them and the other two parties with the 35's to 64's.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/exit-poll-by-numbers-who-voted-what-way-and-where-1.4166978

McMurphy

UDAWINNER wrote: »

some would argue that the labour has links with the official ira. Besides wasn't it a Lab/FG Govt that appionted a Dissident Republican, an active terrorist organisation to the Senate. Strange for "the law and order party":)

Cahill was used as a political football, plain and simple. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

ILoveYourVibes

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Is there any other party in Europe that has links to an illegal criminal organisation?

yeah lots


the dup

batasuna

Aukera Guztiak

communist party of spain

Spanish socialist workers party


The breton national party.

Much more than that.