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dxhound2005

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

yeah lots


the dup

batasuna

Aukera Guztiak

communist party of spain

Spanish socialist workers party


The breton national party.

Much more than that.

Would the DUP and Sinn Fein be the only two that are in government?

UDAWINNER

McMurphy wrote: »

Over 65 means 65 years old exactly, and then onwards.

Yes and they already get the pension, so why would it be an issue for them.

UDAWINNER

McMurphy wrote: »

Cahill was used as a political football, plain and simple. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

still gave an actual terrorist political standing and a nice wage. Not what you expect from the "law and order party".

Jinglejangle69

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Is there another leader of a country that would tolerate an illegal organisation operating in it's jurisdiction and take no action whatsoever? And further...encourage them to get involved in government in another jurisdiction he is partly responsible for?

Where do you get the time Francie seriously!!?

FrancieBrady

Mortelaro wrote: »

You keep alluding to that as a tool of attack on your political adversaries opposition to SF being in government yet you know the agreed reason why they oppose
Ergo your point/question is meaningless

It neither addresses the issues in labour fine Gael and FF's reasons for not wanting SF in government or solves them
It just deflects (unsuccessfully)

I know the reason why they don't want SF ever making it into government as an equal partner/coalition.
Because it spells the end of one of them(FF FG) or a merger.

It's as cynical as the maintenance of the illusion that they are different, is cynical.

Michael Martin was ready to open the door to SF when he thought he had 50 seats. It shut quickly again when he realised they were his party's equal.

ILoveYourVibes

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Would the DUP and Sinn Fein be the only two that are in government?

Right now at this moment yes i think so.

Its happened elsewhere in modern history though.

Places like poland for example.


I can't think of any (besides the whole eta thing) in the last 40 yrs though.

That's just europe tho.

Of in other places like palestine...turkey even.

ILoveYourVibes

TBH any place that HAS a party in govt with relations to terrorist groups RIGHT now in the world ..you wouldn't want to live.

jimmycrackcorm

woohoo!!! wrote: »

FFG have underdelivered on the three h's. It is reasonable to express doubts given their track record here.

SF or anyone else are not going to wave a magic wand with a money tree. And I note that you say never regarding SF, cos that is what it really is, there will always be an excuse put forward and FFG are flogging that horse to bear death. And I think that's just alienating more and more people.

If people are going to keep referring to FFG as if it is an entity then why is there a narrative about SF winning the popular vote when "FFG" have twice as many seats?

Seems this vote for change and SF should stop flogging that horse about their popularity

Boggles

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

TBH any place that HAS a party in govt with relations to terrorist groups RIGHT now in the world ..you wouldn't want to live.

Northern Ireland?

ILoveYourVibes

Boggles wrote: »

Northern Ireland?

I prefer living here to there. No offense to people from NI.

But its still got a long way to come. The fact that there are parties that are still sectarian ...and they are the main parties says a lot.

Mortelaro

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I know the reason why they don't want SF ever making it into government as an equal partner/coalition.
Because it spells the end of one of them(FF FG) or a merger.

That's the only reason you're prepared to accept but the real reasons are as stated

It's as cynical as the maintenance of the illusion that they are different, is cynical.

Them merging wont morph the public into a majority of left wing socialists, so I dont know why Sinn Féin would be getting excited at that prospect tbh

Michael Martin was ready to open the door to SF when he thought he had 50 seats. It shut quickly again when he realised they were his party's equal.

I'd say he still has that door open if necessary
I'd welcome it
Stay tuned

dxhound2005

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Right now at this moment yes i think so.

Its happened elsewhere in modern history though.

Places like poland for example.


I can't think of any (besides the whole eta thing) in the last 40 yrs though.

That's just europe tho.

Of in other places like palestine...turkey even.

Sinn Fein has links with some other Left wing parties and paramilitary organisations. The odd thing is that they would generally support the sub division of countries like France and Spain, while maintaining that the territory of the island of Ireland can only be a single political entity.

They recognise the diversity on the island of Britain, which may lead to a new political set up in Scotland. But are determined to have some sort of United Ireland, which will be part populated by a reluctant minority.

ILoveYourVibes

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Sinn Fein has links with some other Left wing parties and paramilitary organisations. The odd thing is that they would generally support the sub division of countries like France and Spain, while maintaining that the territory of the island of Ireland can only be a single political entity.

They recognise the diversity on the island of Britain, which may lead to a new political set up in Scotland. But are determined to have some sort of United Ireland, which will be part populated by a reluctant minority.

Yeah ..unionist independence ....the next thing lol

smurgen

You have to laugh. Sinn Fein allegedly controlled by secret forces and vilified for it. Sinn Fein having public meetings which anyone can attend and vilified for it.

dxhound2005

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Yeah ..unionist independence ....the next thing lol

There never was a single political entity on the island. But in the past part of the northern region was a combined kingdom with areas of Scotland.

smurgen

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

TBH any place that HAS a party in govt with relations to terrorist groups RIGHT now in the world ..you wouldn't want to live.

With the randomly capitalised words this literally looks like it could have been a daily mail headline lol

ILoveYourVibes

dxhound2005 wrote: »

There never was a single political entity on the island. But in the past part of the northern region was a combined kingdom with areas of Scotland.

we shall be the evil colonialists then lol

Mortelaro

smurgen wrote: »

You have to laugh. Sinn Fein allegedly controlled by secret forces and vilified for it. Sinn Fein having public meetings which anyone can attend and vilified for it.

Oh Jaysis,I've a few policies I think need adopting,you're saying if I attend the public meeting and submit them they'll be adopted now?
Excellent, I'm there

I suspect smurgen hasn't googled the meaning of equivalence yet

UDAWINNER

Depending on your viewpoint, Israeli Government has a criminal links in relation to murdering palestinians and stealing their land and The Spanish Government for jailing people for holding a referendum on Catalan independence and finally The Conservative Govt for their links to the DUP and Loyalist Groups responsible for killing numerous catholics and bomb attacks on both sides of the border.

smurgen

Mortelaro wrote: »

Oh Jaysis,I've a few policies I think need adopting,you're saying if I attend the public meeting and submit them they'll be adopted now?
Excellent, I'm there

I suspect smurgen hasn't googled the meaning of equivalence yet

You should definitely attend. It's good to air your grievances in public.
Had FG done the same in Cork I would have attended,in fact I would love for them to do a public meeting in Cork. I'm thinking Simon Harris and Eoghan Murphy would be none too happy meeting the public mind.

FrancieBrady

Mortelaro wrote: »

That's the only reason you're prepared to accept but the real reasons are as stated

Them merging wont morph the public into a majority of left wing socialists, so I dont know why Sinn Féin would be getting excited at that prospect tbh


I'd say he still has that door open if necessary
I'd welcome it
Stay tuned

I didn't say that. I am not 'SF'.
My goal is to end the toxic power swap between these two parties and I don't much care who does it. If SF fail in government then they will lose my vote too.

This power swap has seen our economy destroyed, our banks completely out of control, housing in a shocking mess, health is a vicious circle of consuming funds but failing to provide for the citizen, and Garda Commissioner after Garda Commissioner compromised because two parties don't understand separation of powers.
And it is mostly the same people in society that bear the brunt of the above. The 'I'm alright jacks' have been enough to keep them there, but hopefully that day is at an end.

mynamejeff

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I didn't say that. I am not 'SF'.
.

you aren't ? are you sure ?

your posting history would suggest otherwise

ILoveYourVibes

mynamejeff wrote: »

you aren't ? are you sure ?

your posting history would suggest otherwise

People can change their political allegiances. I know people who voted sf once and don't now.

dxhound2005

smurgen wrote: »

You should definitely attend. It's good to air your grievances in public.
Had FG done the same in Cork I would have attended,in fact I would love for them to do a public meeting in Cork. I'm thinking Simon Harris and Eoghan Murphy would be none too happy meeting the public mind.

The place would no doubt be full of agitators, shouting down free speech. But the voting public of Munster do not have that much time for Sinn Fein. 18% of the vote compared to a combined 50% for FF and FG. And 8 seats out of 43 for Sinn Fein.

FrancieBrady

mynamejeff wrote: »

you aren't ? are you sure ?

your posting history would suggest otherwise

I have been called many things (including 'the same as a murderer') on the basis of my posting history. I don't take it too seriously.

I am not and never will be a member of a political party.
It wouldn't suit me as I am nether right, left, centre etc. I can be left on one issue or right on another.
I wouldn't last long in any party.

mynamejeff

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

People can change their political allegiances. I know people who voted sf once and don't now.

why are you answering for francie ? that's sort of strange ,


what happened to those ex sf/ira voters to change their minds ? was it puberty ?

mynamejeff

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I have been called many things (including 'the same as a murderer') on the basis of my posting history. I don't take it too seriously.

I am not and never will be a member of a political party.
It wouldn't suit me as I am nether right, left, centre etc. I can be left on one issue or right on another.
I wouldn't last long in any party.

well denying party allegiance is par for the course with SF but would you not agree that you are a long time supported of sf on here at least ?

timhenn

alastair wrote: »

No - it doesn’t. Just because you want to conflate collusion with partnership, doesn’t mean that there was a partnership.

They were a partnership, just because you want to excuse collusion, doesn't mean it didn't happen.

BarryD2

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I didn't say that. I am not 'SF'.
My goal is to end the toxic power swap between these two parties and I don't much care who does it. If SF fail in government then they will lose my vote too.

Many here, including myself would agree with you that the Irish public need a valid alternative to FF FG. But that is most emphatically not Sinn Féin. Putting them anywhere near the seat of power in this state is courting with disaster. They are the proverbial 'wolf in sheep's clothing', nationalism dressed up in left wing garb. With one principal objective. To end partition by whatever means and whatever cost, the rest is fluff.

FrancieBrady

mynamejeff wrote: »

well denying party allegiance is par for the course with SF but would you not agree that you are a long time supported of sf on here at least ?

I have defended them on broad republican issues or when they are attacked solely because they are republicans, yes.

On economic and some other policy issues, definitely No. I'm on record as saying they are ready for coalition, not sole power.