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The Rape of Lucretia

smurgen wrote: »

judging by the fact that varadkar and Michael were counted in on their 5th and 6th count would suggest that the electorate agree with Mary Lou's synopsis of both.

I wouldnt trust MLM's synopsis further than one of her acolytes could throw a petrol bomb. If you study the numbers, you will see why the above is so, and in fact, was far cleverer vote managament than that displayed by SF-IRA.

FrancieBrady

Mortelaro wrote: »

Rubbish, whether you look at it as the sum of its parts or as individual voters ,its clearly a common process
You're just deflecting again with feigned righteous indignation to avoid discussing the inevitability of the bouncy protest ball
Its characteristics are always the same,its bigger smaller always bouncing or totally deflated depending on how the issues de jour are dealt with
Its nobody's possession

That's just a long winded way of describing something simple. The electoral cycle.

Want a change of government? You have to protest/remove the sitting one.

Quit digging.

The Rape of Lucretia

smurgen wrote: »

Calling entire parties terrorists and saying voters are naive is insulting.

Not sure if anyone is calling entire parties terrorists. SF is a party aligned to terrorists. Thats far too close for people of reason and morals. They they arent actively murdering and bombing today, is beside the point. But that they are people who fundamentally consider that an OK tactic, in certain conditions (which they determine themselves), makes them the worst of the worst of society, and unelectable.

FrancieBrady

christy c wrote: »

I wasn't talking about manifestos, I just asked for an examples of what you found unrealistic.

Seems a but silly giving them a chance to prove something if you believe it to be unrealistic.

Generally, their economic policy is unrealistic. That's why I'd only be happy to see them in a coalition.

smurgen

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

I wouldnt trust MLM's synopsis further than one of her acolytes could throw a petrol bomb. If you study the numbers, you will see why the above is so, and in fact, was far cleverer vote managament than that displayed by SF-IRA.

You're right they definitely done excellent vote management lol. It's like saying a team lost cleverly. FFG are like bishop Brennan after getting the kick up the arse. They still don't realize what's happened. It's not sinked in.

christy c

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Generally, their economic policy is unrealistic

For once I completely agree with you, but I'd also say some of it is completely bonkers. That's even against the low bar FF and FG have set.

Edited just to add, we could be looking at FF as the gatekeepers of economic policy in this scenario.

smurgen

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Not sure if anyone is calling entire parties terrorists. SF is a party aligned to terrorists. Thats far too close for people of reason and morals. They they arent actively murdering and bombing today, is beside the point. But that they are people who fundamentally consider that an OK tactic, in certain conditions (which they determine themselves), makes them the worst of the worst of society, and unelectable.

So you're saying 25% of the people that voted have neither reason nor morals?

Mortelaro

FrancieBrady wrote: »

That's just a long winded way of describing something simple. The electoral cycle.

Want a change of government? You have to protest/remove the sitting one.

No Sir,you have to have a viable alternative and as a majority of the voters aren't madurista's,the next step after an inconclusive vote is negotiations between elected representatives to find a viable alternative
Ironically that could be a solving of a lot of issues without Sinn Féin and back to square 19 or 20 of 160 or so for them in 5 years time
I know it's an irksome quandary to end up in
But yeah that's election cycles for ya alright

ILoveYourVibes

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Generally, their economic policy is unrealistic. That's why I'd only be happy to see them in a coalition.

But what if they are in a coalition with another party whose economic policies are unrealistic?

FrancieBrady

Mortelaro wrote: »

No Sir,you have to have a viable alternative and as a majority of the voters aren't madurista's,the next step after an inconclusive vote is negotiations between elected representatives to find a viable alternative
Ironically that could be a solving of a lot of issues without Sinn Féin and back to square 19 or 20 of 160 or so for them in 5 years time
I know it's an irksome quandary to end up in
But yeah that's election cycles for ya alright

Nobody knows how the votes are going to stack up before an election. You vote. If you want to protest/remove the incumbents you vote for somebody else. Simple.

Just because it didn't swap over automatically to the usual other party does not make the vote 'unique' or fickle. There is another party in town, sizable enough to break up the swap. You seem to be finding it hard to come to terms with that. Don't fret, there are a few of you about. Support groups maybe?

Oh wait, you don't like meetings of the electorate, bloody subversives!

FrancieBrady

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

But what if they are in a coalition with another party whose economic policies are unrealistic?

I thought about that and my thinking was, if they managed to get a coalition of the left they would have to have somebody like the Greens or Labour in there.

If they managed to agree a programme of government with FG or FF that didn't have them there for the sake of it, then I was happy with that too.

Mortelaro

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Nobody knows how the votes are going to stack up before an election. You vote. If you want to protest/remove the incumbents you vote for somebody else. Simple.

opinion polls
You know that,you know I know you know that but you come out with the above anyway

Just because it didn't swap over automatically to the usual other party does not make the vote 'unique' or fickle. There is another party in town, sizable enough to break up the swap. You seem to be finding it hard to come to terms with that. Don't fret, there are a few of you about. Support groups maybe?

Right back at you,its the fickleness of protest votes you're afraid of
That was established pages back over and over
No amount of persil in the post post post washing machine you use changes that I'm afraid

olestoepoke

The replies to Simon Harris's retweet on this matter are gas. He got absolutely slated, and rightly so.

FrancieBrady

Mortelaro wrote: »

opinion polls
You know that,you know I know you know that but you come out with the above anyway


Right back at you,its the fickleness of protest votes you're afraid of
That was established pages back over and over
No amount of persil in the post post post washing machine you use changes that I'm afraid

As I say, you can't seem to get your head around the fact that people voted against the power swap parties. You aren't alone but you seem very wound up about it.

If it helps you to think the vote will revert back the next time, carry on.

Mortelaro

FrancieBrady wrote: »

As I say, you can't seem to get your head around the fact that people voted against the power swap parties. You aren't alone but you seem very wound up about it.

If it helps you to think the vote will revert back the next time, carry on.

To be fair,its not a swap if FF have had the power for most of the century and secondly, could you quit the invective
If I'm being courteous in this discussion,quid pro quo would be nice

FrancieBrady

Mortelaro wrote: »

To be fair,its not a swap if FF have had the power for most of the century and secondly, could you quit the invective
If I'm being courteous in this discussion,quid pro quo would be nice

You are belittling my vote by calling it fickle and a base protest vote when it was actually considered and deliberate and will remain if there is another election.

That is not courteous to begin with. I take exception to the electorate being demeaned.

maccored

Mortelaro wrote: »

To be fair,its not a swap if FF have had the power for most of the century and secondly, could you quit the invective
If I'm being courteous in this discussion,quid pro quo would be nice

i predict FF and FG not forming a government and then really getting a battering in the follow up election

Mortelaro

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You are belittling my vote by calling it fickle and a base protest vote when it was actually considered and deliberate and will remain if there is another election.

That is not courteous to begin with. I take exception to the electorate being demeaned.

I dont believe you

dxhound2005

maccored wrote: »

i predict FF and FG not forming a government and then really getting a battering in the follow up election

Have you looked at each constituency to come up with that?

FrancieBrady

Mortelaro wrote: »

I dont believe you

Of course you don't. And that arrogance is showing in your belittling of the vote.

Mortelaro

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Of course you don't. And that arrogance is showing in your belittling of the vote.

I dont believe you even believe that

maccored

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Have you looked at each constituency to come up with that?

nope. its just a hunch. FGs huffing and FFs greed is apparent to anyone.The desperation and fear is almost tangible

dxhound2005

maccored wrote: »

nope. its just a hunch. FGs huffing and FFs greed is apparent to anyone.The desperation and fear is almost tangible

Not that I noticed.

maccored

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Not that I noticed.

course you wouldn't have.

If Im wrong, and if theres no gov and we go to another election and SF DONT increase their seats - then feel free to dig up this post and tell me how wrong I was

dxhound2005

maccored wrote: »

course you wouldn't have.

If Im wrong, and if theres no gov and we go to another election and SF DONT increase their seats - then feel free to dig up this post and tell me how wrong I was

If you want to put some numbers on it, instead of saying some parties will take a battering, then that will give me something to go on. An increase by SF could be at the expense of Left TD's where SF ran only one candidate. So no guarantee that they will have the numbers to form a Left government.

FrancieBrady

dxhound2005 wrote: »

If you want to put some numbers on it, instead of saying some parties will take a battering, then that will give me something to go on. An increase by SF could be at the expense of Left TD's where SF ran only one candidate. So no guarantee that they will have the numbers to form a Left government.

You could also see FF FG hemorrhaging more votes to the Greens or Labour.

uck51js9zml2yt

Protested and refused to vote FF/fg/SF.

What about my vote? Doesn't mine count along with the others who voted like me

I don't want them in power. Make the Healy Rae's taoiseach and tanaiste

SafeSurfer

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Any vote against a sitting government is a 'protest vote'. Trying to make this one unique is to belittle those voters.

What absolute nonsense. Many voters are party loyalists and will vote for “their” party whether they are or are not in government. A vote for a party in opposition is not necessarily a “protest vote”. To claim otherwise is ridiculous.

con___manx1

SafeSurfer wrote: »

What absolute nonsense. Many voters are party loyalists and will vote for “their” party whether they are or are not in government. A vote for a party in opposition is not necessarily a “protest vote”. To claim otherwise is ridiculous.

Mine was a protest vote. I'm sick of Ff an fg.
sinn féin are the only other option obviously.
Hopefully there will b another election soon if the government can't be formed. SF will run more candidates hopefully.

Lyan

You don't vote for the "only other option" when the only other option is a socialist paramilitary group. You keep voting in the unremarkable but adequate party who have the country sailing rather smoothly.


Oh well, **** the Irish if they really want to put a prosperous and stable country through failed radical socialist experiment #127. They will have deserved the consequences.