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Gardaí: Provo Army Council oversees PIRA & SF

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    #1802
    timhenn
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 514 ✭✭✭timhenn


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    Point?

    Where does it mention becoming a partitionist?


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    #1803
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users Posts: 14,375 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    timhenn wrote: »
    I suppose you have to accept who you are eventually.

    That's all you got? Disappointing.


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    #1804
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users Posts: 14,375 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    timhenn wrote: »
    Where does it mention becoming a partitionist?

    Did you not see the words "Irish Republic"? Odd that you didn't.


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    #1805
    Junkyard Tom
    Registered Users Posts: 10,117 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    I'm very proud of living in the Republic of Ireland and of its constitution.

    Out of interest, are you proud of this section too?

    Article 3

    It is the firm will of the Irish Nation, in harmony and friendship, to unite all the people who share the territory of the island of Ireland, in all the diversity of their identities and traditions, recognising that a united Ireland shall be brought about only by peaceful means with the consent of a majority of the people


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    #1806
    timhenn
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 514 ✭✭✭timhenn


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    That's all you got? Disappointing.

    I'm not disappointed in you, my expectations were very low. :D


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    #1807
    timhenn
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 514 ✭✭✭timhenn


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    Did you not see the words "Irish Republic"? Odd that you didn't.

    Did you see anything about betraying the 6?


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    KWAG2019
    Closed Accounts Posts: 834 ✭✭✭KWAG2019


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    Really? How strange. I'm very proud of living in the Republic of Ireland and of its constitution. Different strokes I suppose.

    You find an outline of the history of the name in a changing constitution strange? It’s simply historical fact. Perhaps not surprising that you find it strange.

    I’m very proud to live in Ireland and to live in further hope of change to a progressive Republic of 32 counties which is run fit the benefit of the citizens.


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    #1809
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users Posts: 14,375 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Junkyard Tom wrote: »
    Out of interest, are you proud of this section too?

    Article 3

    It is the firm will of the Irish Nation, in harmony and friendship, to unite all the people who share the territory of the island of Ireland, in all the diversity of their identities and traditions, recognising that a united Ireland shall be brought about only by peaceful means with the consent of a majority of the people

    Is it in the constitution?


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    #1810
    donaghs
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    CrankyHaus wrote: »
    I don't particularly like SF or their past but every time I see this sort of stuff trotted out against them it just makes me decide to give them a preference somewhere on my ballot sheet.

    They renounced violence to enter normal politics decades ago. People voted for them out of substantive concerns about issues like health and housing. Debate them on these issues instead of this film flam. The public deserves better than being treated like children with this sort of bogeyman politics.

    I don't think I'm the only one who finds this counterproductive either.

    I don’t think Sinn Fein ever actively promoted violence, and then renounced it. They did back the “peace process” in the 90s. The IRA still exist in some quieter form, as shown by the Northern Bank robbery, Slab etc. If the Army Council have no control over Sinn Fein today - You should read the history of (provisional) Sinn Fein in the 1970s and early 80s and ask, when did the Army Council step back from directing it?


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    #1811
    Junkyard Tom
    Registered Users Posts: 10,117 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    Is it in the constitution?

    Yes


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    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users Posts: 14,375 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    KWAG2019 wrote: »
    You find an outline of the history of the name in a changing constitution strange? It’s simply historical fact. Perhaps not surprising that you find it strange.

    I’m very proud to live in Ireland and to live in further hope of change to a progressive Republic of 32 counties which is run fit the benefit of the citizens.

    I'm very proud to live in Ireland. And if a 32 county Ireland comes into existence, that is inclusive and benefits all of its inhabitants equally, then I've no problem with that. Good that we agree.


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    #1813
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    I'm very proud to live in Ireland. And if a 32 county Ireland comes into existence, that is inclusive and benefits all of its inhabitants equally, then I've no problem with that. Good that we agree.

    The majority, of course. Will always be some sado wants us in the common wealth or some shyte.


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    dxhound2005
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    holyhead wrote: »
    I find the reluctance to go into government with SF interesting. If the DUP can do it why not FF and FG. Both FF and FG promoted and pushed for the idea of a SF + Unionist party government in N.I. Their reluctance to go into government smacks of hypocrisy. Albert Reynolds and Bertie Ahern both engaged fully with SF in the interest of peace in N.I. Yet Micheal Martin a belated successor to the aforementioned refuses to go into with SF. I suppose you could say he is being principled having set out his stall not to go into government with SF but still.

    That was all done to get the IRA to stop killing people. There is no need to put special arrangements into place here just to get SF into government. There is no danger that the IRA will start up again, if there is another FG government.


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    #1815
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    That was all done to get the IRA to stop killing people. There is no need to put special arrangements into place here just to get SF into government. There is no danger that the IRA will start up again, if there is another FG government.

    You know why they were and why they stopped right?
    You might want to tell the FG online spin machine. They've been on over drive since the arse fell out of their election campaign.


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    #1816
    Professor Moriarty
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    Junkyard Tom wrote: »
    Yes

    Of course it is. What about the amendments? You happy with them?


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    #1817
    Professor Moriarty
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    Bowie wrote: »
    The majority, of course. Will always be some sado wants us in the common wealth or some shyte.

    Prefer the EU myself. But who knows what the future will bring.


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    smurgen
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    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    That was all done to get the IRA to stop killing people. There is no need to put special arrangements into place here just to get SF into government. There is no danger that the IRA will start up again, if there is another FG government.

    So FG are threating to restart the IRA unless they get into Government? :)


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    dxhound2005
    Registered Users Posts: 21,100 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Bowie wrote: »
    You know why they were and why they stopped right?
    You might want to tell the FG online spin machine. They've been on over drive since the arse fell out of their election campaign.

    You can tell them yourself.


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    #1820
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    Prefer the EU myself. But who knows what the future will bring.

    Well thankfully we got the British mostly off side before Brexit right?


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    KWAG2019
    Closed Accounts Posts: 834 ✭✭✭KWAG2019


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    I'm very proud to live in Ireland. And if a 32 county Ireland comes into existence, that is inclusive and benefits all of its inhabitants equally, then I've no problem with that. Good that we agree.

    We don’t. You’ll figure it out.


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    #1822
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users Posts: 14,375 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Bowie wrote: »
    Well thankfully we got the British mostly off side before Brexit right?

    Depends. They intend to interpret the Withdrawal Agreement very differently to how Ireland/The EU intend to interpret it. But it's a hard right Tory government led by a serial liar so I expect them to blame Ireland and hold our economy to ransom. What would you expect from a donkey but a kick?


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    #1823
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users Posts: 14,375 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    KWAG2019 wrote: »
    We don’t. You’ll figure it out.

    Nah. Not interested.


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    #1824
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    Depends. They intend to interpret the Withdrawal Agreement very differently to how Ireland/The EU intend to interpret it. But it's a hard right Tory government led by a serial liar so I expect them to blame Ireland and hold our economy to ransom. What would you expect from a donkey but a kick?

    It will be very interesting. They'll work based on greed. The DUP will be hoisted over their shoulders or ignored depending on what's in it for Boris. The 'dear old blighty' rhetoric is only useful when it's filling the pockets of the right people.


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    #1825
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users Posts: 14,375 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Bowie wrote: »
    It will be very interesting. They'll work based on greed. The DUP will be hoisted over their shoulders or ignored depending on what's in it for Boris. The dear old blighty rhetoric is only useful when it's filling the pockets of the right people.

    Exactly. Follow the money. Tory party funding is murky to say the least. People stand to make a lot of money out of a Brexit. English nationalism is just a useful idiot for the Old Etonian and his cronies and the DUP would be fools to think that Johnson cares about them.


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    #1826
    KWAG2019
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    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    Nah. Not interested.

    We all know that.


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    #1827
    Bobtheman
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    irishgrover wrote: »
    I genuinely don't understand the "noise" with these kinds of stories....

    SF have very very close links (and are probably still controlled by) a group of people who have made a living from murder, intimidation, extorsion, robbing banks, laundering diesel, stolen cash, drug dealing etc etc etc.

    This is hardly f*(king news....
    Yes and those who crashed the country in 2007/8 didn't do a worse job.. suicides/marital breakdown/ mass emmigration? Continuing large scale debt on a personal and national level .


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    #1828
    Bobtheman
    Site Banned Posts: 2,799 ✭✭✭Bobtheman


    SF must be given a reasonable list of demands on their inclusion in any Government. Links between it and the IRA must be cut. Excessive Publix extolling of the campaign must disappear . Etc etc


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    #1829
    timhenn
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    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    That was all done to get the IRA to stop killing people. There is no need to put special arrangements into place here just to get SF into government. There is no danger that the IRA will start up again, if there is another FG government.

    You do know that the PIRA killed less innocents than the british side don't you? Was it not done to stop them killing Nationalists to force them to remain in the uk?


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    #1830
    jm08
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    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    That was all done to get the IRA to stop killing people. There is no need to put special arrangements into place here just to get SF into government. There is no danger that the IRA will start up again, if there is another FG government.


    I don't think the British Government were too worried about a few people getting killed. What they were worried about was the Provos targetting the City of London (Canary Wharf, London Stock exchange etc). That struck the fear of god in them.


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    #1831
    Mortelaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Mortelaro


    What put the total kiebosh on any chance of PIRA reactivation militarily was September 11th 2001
    It shut the door to any support for that monetarily in the States


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