Coronavirus

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Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

The United States may have had the coronavirus before the Chinese? It is possible US health officials viewed the data and just thought the people died from a Flu Illness and Vaping? Only after the outbreak of cases in Wuhan China did world scientists acknowledge this is not the normal flu. Even US officials indicate no testing was done to detect the new virus in 2019. Now there doing tests, there new cases in nearly every state inside the United States.

The young are immune to the disease ( avoidance of the young?) What do you mean by that?

Yes, the virus will avoid the young (they will have little or no ill health). There has been some news items however, that suggest damage to their reproductive organs.

As far of the source of it, it's impossible to say (others will dispute that fact).
It could well be a 'rare nauture event', or it could also be something leaked by accident (or even released for a purpose) but this is the least likely of the three.

The nature of it however is very, very interesting: little effect on the young workers, damage to fertility, coupled with massive uptake rates 90% or so of the population and with that a very high fatality rate for the old.

Say, if you wanted e.g. to write a sci-fi movie/book (Wuhan400), which would take out all the weak, old and infirm on the planet, and also restrict future population growth, keep the wokers just as before, then on top of that, allow the biometric ID of 1.5bn people in the developing world soon after, you'd have some bestselling read or movie.

Clarence Boddiker

The Q folk over in the states say Martial law will be declared in Ireland next week.

Dohnjoe

Alena Tangy Someone wrote: »

What predictions are wrong exactly?
www.id2020.org/ clearly states it's aims and intentions fairly clearly.

Yeah but you are trying to put your own nefarious spin on it, whether deliberately or not.

It's a project designed to help people and give those without ID some form of digital ID.

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Dohnjoe wrote: »

It's a project designed to help people and give those without ID some form of digital ID.

Good to see you no longer deny the www.id2020.org project anyway (K'Mob is somewhat fingers in ears, and still calling it a wild made-up theory).

It is exactly what it says on the tin, and as strange as it openly appears.

And yes, once it proves useful for those 1.5bn, and it will do indeed on paper, be a great helpful 'success' of sorts.
Something like wireless payment cards, mating with facial recognition technology, and an Iris scanner, then having a secret nano-lovechild.

It really depends on the view or label of 'success':
Economically: yes.
Reducing paperwork: certainly
BigData: very good for 'unknowns'

Other aspects: debatable.
Am am simply saying it has some very debatable aspects to it.

There would be no reason, not to roll it out to rest of the population (remaining after this global Pandemic).

Lonesomerhodes

The main coronavirus theory is its caused by 5G.
First came to my attention with an electrician at work was mentioning he believes it as certain elertromagnetic fields destroy cells.
Ive only began to look into this but heres a very interesting video by Dr Thomas Cowan.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zFN5LUaqxOA

Clarence Boddiker

Lonesomerhodes wrote: »

The main coronavirus theory is its caused by 5G.
First came to my attention with an electrician at work was mentioning he believes it as certain elertromagnetic fields destroy cells.
Ive only began to look into this but heres a very interesting video by Dr Thomas Cowan.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zFN5LUaqxOA

Lots of the areas affected, Wuhan, Washington state, various districts in America, lombardy, and the cruise ship in Japan have recently become 5g enabled.
Don't think its in Iran though, what's the story with 5g in Ireland at the moment?

King Mob

Alena Tangy Someone wrote: »

What predictions are wrong exactly?
www.id2020.org/ clearly states it's aims and intentions fairly clearly.

Why do you even refer to these objectives as 'predictions'.
Maybe you wish they weren't, is that it?

You are actively disputing these pre-published aims.
You are applying widespread active disinformaiton.

Well again, you've actively refused to outline your position clearly. You haven't stated what you believe these people are up to, why they are doing it and why it's an issue for you.
You keep implying it's nefarious and part of a conspiracy.
Again: I believe that you are in the camp that they wish to mircochip people without consent.
If this is incorrect, you are free to clearly and concisely outline your conspiracy theory. However, I believe you will once again resort to personal attacks and comments.

I call your claims predictions, because in previous outbreaks other conspiracy theorists made similar claims to you. They claimed that various groups planed to use the crisis as an opportunity to mircochip people as well as bring about mandatory vaccinations for the purpose of profit rather than health.
These predictions are all wrong.

I'm not disputing what's on the site, I'm disputing your interpretation of it and your baseless implications that there's something sinister or wrong about it.

King Mob

Lonesomerhodes wrote: »

The main coronavirus theory is its caused by 5G.
First came to my attention with an electrician at work was mentioning he believes it as certain elertromagnetic fields destroy cells.
Ive only began to look into this but heres a very interesting video by Dr Thomas Cowan.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zFN5LUaqxOA

That's simply not true.

The virus is a virus. Viruses are not cause by electromagnetic fields.

5G and other radio waves cannot damage cells.

You are once again being suckered in by a charlatan profiting from spreading false information.

rtron

Clarence Boddiker wrote: »

Don't think its in Iran though, what's the story with 5g in Ireland at the moment?

Hard enough to get 4G out our way.

jh79

Lonesomerhodes wrote: »

The main coronavirus theory is its caused by 5G.
First came to my attention with an electrician at work was mentioning he believes it as certain elertromagnetic fields destroy cells.
Ive only began to look into this but heres a very interesting video by Dr Thomas Cowan.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zFN5LUaqxOA

Another charlatan. Had his license revoked for "treating" people over the phone for 300$ and promoting snake oil.

BoardsMember

Lonesomerhodes wrote: »

The main coronavirus theory is its caused by 5G.
First came to my attention with an electrician at work was mentioning he believes it as certain elertromagnetic fields destroy cells.
Ive only began to look into this but heres a very interesting video by Dr Thomas Cowan.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zFN5LUaqxOA

OMG. What a load of absolute and utter bollox. Are people really stupid enough to believe this?

The Nal

Im loving all the Bill Gates theories at the moment. Hilarious banter. I do wonder how many people pushing the theories actually believe them. Certainly enough sheep to lap up in the process and make a few quid from.

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The Nal wrote: »

Im loving all the Bill Gates theories at the moment. Hilarious banter. I do wonder how many people pushing the theories actually believe them. Certainly enough sheep to lap up in the process and make a few quid from.

Ah Right on schedule, (just yesterday!) everyone's favourite: BillyGates resigns from the Microsoft Board, to focus on 'other matters' (vaccine realted).
As the latest Pandemic now seems to fulfill the criteria for a ramp up in proceedings.

Contrary to KingMob's latest conspiracy theory active twist above^. Neither I, anyone here, or indeed the id2020 project itself (http://www.id2020.org/) did not ever state, at any time, that it will 'force' any of these nano-chip vaccines, upon anyone.

Morseso, folks (the 1.5bn poor uninformed folks, in poor countries) wil be 'advised' (persuasion) to take the new birth-to-death persistant, unique, digitalID techonology in their arm. Else risk this newly established, seasonal, mutating plague.

The Nal

Alena Tangy Someone wrote: »

Ah Right on schedule, (just yesterday!) everyone's favourite: BillyGates resigns from the Microsoft Board, to focus on 'other matters' (vaccine realted).

Well done him

King Mob

Alena Tangy Someone wrote: »

Ah Right on schedule, (just yesterday!) everyone's favourite: BillyGates resigns from the Microsoft Board, to focus on 'other matters' (vaccine realted).
As the latest Pandemic now seems to fulfill the criteria for a ramp up in proceedings.

Contrary to KingMob's latest conspiracy theory twist above^. Neither I, anyone here, or indeed the id2020 project itself (http://www.id2020.org/) did not ever state, at any time, that it will 'force' any of these nano-chip vaccines, upon anyone.

Morseso, folks (the 1.5bn poor uninformed folks, in poor countries) wil be 'advised' (persuasion) to take the new birth-to-death persistant, unique, digitalID techonology in their arm. Else risk this newly established, seasonal, mutating plague.

You are contradicting yourself here. You are saying that people are not going to be forced to get this ID, but now you are insinuating that they are going to be pressured and tricked into it.

Also, the link you keep reposting does not refer to "nano-chip vaccines" at all.
That's something you are making up.

Ipso

BoardsMember wrote: »

OMG. What a load of absolute and utter bollox. Are people really stupid enough to believe this?

Yes.

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King Mob wrote: »

You are contradicting yourself here. You are saying that people are not going to be forced to get this ID, but now you are insinuating that they are going to be pressured and tricked into it.

Also, the link you keep reposting does not refer to "nano-chip vaccines" at all.
That's something you are making up.

You're now climbing down from your previous nefarious sinsiter claims, likely made for dramatic effect, disinformation yet again.

Then you make a lazy brand new conspiracy right on top, 'tricked'.
Who exactly said they would be tricked???
A Push isn't a trick.

They will be simply persuaded, as to the advantages. In some cases it may well be the only alternative, you can refuse, but won't then be able to avail of services e.g. #3: https://id2020.org/manifesto ...unable to access basic services, participate as a citizen or voter, or transact in the modern economy [without dID]

The ability to prove one’s identity is a fundamental...

We live in a digital era. Individuals need a trusted, verifiable way to prove who they are, both in the physical world and online.

Over 1 billion people worldwide are unable to prove their identity through any recognized means.

We believe it is imperative to complement such efforts by providing an alternative to individuals lacking safe and reliable access to state-based systems. [ alternative to all other systems ]

While we support efforts to expand access to national identity programs, we believe it is imperative to complement such efforts by providing an alternative to individuals lacking safe and reliable access to state-based systems [ current national ID methods, cards, documents and passorts won't suffice ]

We do not underestimate the risks of data misuse and abuse, particularly when digital identity systems are designed as large, centralized databases. [ risk of data misuse will exist when stored on a single db ]

Technical design can mitigate some of the risks of digital identity. Emerging technology — for example, cryptographically [ blockchain ]

Programs (Accelerating Good Digital ID) include:

iRespond : Objectives: Assess if, how and to what extent this digital identity service leads to individual adoption, improved healthcare service treatments and better health outcomes for the camp residents. [ no dID, no health services ]

Everest: Objectives: Assess if, how and to what extent this ‘digital identity system’ leads to individual adoption, increased subsidy redemption, and improved efficiencies in distribution. [ no dID, no energy access for poor ]

https://id2020.org/digital-identity

King Mob

Alena Tangy Someone wrote: »

You're now climbing down from your previous nefarious sinsiter claims, likely made for dramatic effect, disinformation yet again.

Then you make a lazy brand new conspiracy right on top, 'tricked'.
Who exactly said they would be tricked???
A Push isn't a trick.

Again you dodge questions and points and resort to personal attacks.

Alena Tangy Someone wrote: »

They will be simply persuaded, as to the advantages. In some cases it may well be the only alternative, you can refuse, but won't then be able to avail of services e.g. #3: https://id2020.org/manifesto ...unable to access basic services, participate as a citizen or voter, or transact in the modern economy ][without dID]

Where does it say this on the website you keep linking?

Alena Tangy Someone wrote: »

Programs (Accelerating Good Digital ID) include:

iRespond : Objectives: Assess if, how and to what extent this digital identity service leads to individual adoption, improved healthcare service treatments and better health outcomes for the camp residents. [ no dID, no health services ]

Everest: Objectives: Assess if, how and to what extent this ‘digital identity system’ leads to individual adoption, increased subsidy redemption, and improved efficiencies in distribution. [ no dID, no energy access for poor ]

Again, where are you getting the claims in the square brackets?
Those aren't contained in the link you are providing.

It's also contradicting your previous statements that they aren't going to force this program.
It also doesn't make sense as a private concern like this cannot do those things.

Also, you have failed to point out where your link refers to "nano-chip vaccines". Where are you getting this idea?

Again it would be a lot easier if you just outline your conspiracy theory in clear concise language.

Clarence Boddiker

The amount of people practically begging for what is essentially Martial Law and a major rollback on civil liberties is very worrying.
We're in a moment of mass hysteria for sure.

I won't be surprised if the masses actively encourage the arrest and detention of anyone suspected of carrying the virus.

Clarence Boddiker

protomolecule wrote: »

We are seeing the death of the EU in real time.
Italy asked for monetary aid ,the EU said no, Salvini will win big in post Virus elections.
No real leadership, every country doing it own thing.
Compared to China and USA, one man gives the order and it is done, no messing about.
I would expect the equivalent of Salvini to win election in every EU country once the dust has settled.
OR
EU is allowing the SHTF so it can implement serious changes to law, bring us into a true united EU under one leader.

Sadly I suspect the latter. Wouldn't be surprised either if we end up seeing EU troops on our streets.

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King Mob wrote: »

Again you dodge questions and points and resort to personal attacks.

Again your claiming personal attacks, when none are made.
Frankly, not impressed with this ungentlemanly attacking behaviour.

King Mob wrote: »

Where does it say this on the website you keep linking?

You do understand the very basic concept, that access to some services wil be restricted for those without suitable ID. Even a car needs a licence, a dog (chip) too.

King Mob wrote: »

It's also contradicting your previous statements that they aren't going to force this program.

As far as can tell only you are making that specific and very untrue conspiracy claim.

The id2020.org clearly states it's manifesto is a 'push', i.e. persuasion.
That isn't a 'force', so you should not keep making such untrue claims.

King Mob wrote: »

Also, you have failed to point out where your link refers to "nano-chip vaccines". Where are you getting this idea?

You are aware of the various pilot programs?
You are aware of the founding partners? (aside from MSoft (ex-Gates), and the Rockerfellas (nice chaps), there is also 'Gavi*'... "the Vaccine Alliance".
New, unique, advanced, crypto, persistant, portable, biometrics are the fundamental manifesto of www.id2020.org



*Immunization: an entry point for digital identity
https://medium.com/id2020/immunization-an-entry-point-for-digital-identity-ea37d9c3b77e

Chips have already been used before as pendants (Khushi Baby in India), a necklace worn by infants contains a unique identification number on a short-range communication RFID chip. Community health workers can scan the chip using a mobile phone, enabling them to update a child’s digital record...

The progression from this will be birth-to-death, and more unique, persistant as outlined in manifestos. Already becoming very popular in Sweden for shopping, a little chip in the hand.

Dohnjoe

Alena Tangy Someone wrote: »

id2020.org

I think this needs it's own thread. Really clutching at straws trying to tie it into Corona.

King Mob

Alena Tangy Someone wrote: »

Again your claiming personal attacks, when none are made.
Frankly, not impressed with this ungentlemanly attacking behaviour.

lol.:rolleyes:

Alena Tangy Someone wrote: »

You do understand the very basic concept, that access to some services wil be restricted for those without suitable ID. Even a car needs a licence, a dog (chip) too.

As far as can tell only you are making that specific and very untrue conspiracy claim.

The id2020.org clearly states it's manifesto is a 'push', i.e. persuasion.
That isn't a 'force', so you should not keep making such untrue claims.

But these two things are contradictory. You are claiming they are going to deny people essential services if they don't have this chip in the hand. But you are also saying that this isn't forcing people.

Alena Tangy Someone wrote: »

You are aware of the various pilot programs?
You are aware of the founding partners? (aside from MSoft (ex-Gates), and the Rockerfellas (nice chaps), there is also 'Gavi*'... "the Vaccine Alliance".
New, unique, advanced, crypto, persistant, portable, biometrics are the fundamental manifesto of www.id2020.org

Chips have already been used before as pendants (Khushi Baby in India), a necklace worn by infants contains a unique identification number on a short-range communication RFID chip. Community health workers can scan the chip using a mobile phone, enabling them to update a child’s digital record...

And?
Where on the site you're linking to says anything about chips in people's bodies.
Please quote the exact words.

Alena Tangy Someone wrote: »

The progression from this will be birth-to-death, and more unique, persistant as outlined in manifestos. Already becoming very popular in Sweden for shopping, a little chip in the hand.

That's not true though.

Again, I am getting the feeling that you are subscribing the the notion of a biblical prophecy and that these nanochips are "the mark of the beast".
Is this correct?

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Dohnjoe wrote: »

I think this needs it's own thread. Really clutching at straws trying to tie it into Corona.

COVID19 provides the ideal opportunity for increased roll-out, funding and private pilot programs.

Again, won't be used or seen in the West (apart from the liberal Swedish shoppers that actually want RFID in their hands to save shopping transaction timeloads).

The primary focus of id2020.org is for the 1.1bn (or so) in the developing world through pilot programes, at point of vaccination (set to increase now).

Even then under the current opportunity, there is no great rush, id2020 states the aim is for 2030 (the UN Sustanable Development Goals) and need for ID.

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King Mob wrote: »

That's not true though.

You mean (your) version of what's true?

Not popular and not like thousands of Swedes are actually 'opting-in' for it.
Many cafes there won't accept cash, too much bother isn't it, esp with the Flu.

King Mob

Alena Tangy Someone wrote: »

You mean (your) version of what's true?

Not popular and not like thousands of Swedes are actually 'opting-in' for it.
Many cafes there won't accept cash, too much bother isn't it, esp with the Flu.

Sorry, I've made several points in my post. You are once again ignoring them.
Please go back and address them in full.

Dohnjoe

Alena Tangy Someone wrote: »

COVID19 provides the ideal opportunity for increased roll-out, funding and private pilot programs.

Hmmm I suspect you're just inventing a way to insert it into this "debate" with some tenuous imagined link

Lonesomerhodes

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/government-and-garda-can-use-extreme-powers-to-tackle-covid-19-1.4200108?mode=amp&fbclid=IwAR1PBkX3Adi5uQtkks3ZzUvpVMbLJMVKp2pxVbufx6YleD_rcU9yHU8yax0

As predicted.
Quasi marital law and an end to freedoms.

All for your "safety" eh.

There is actually some on this thread think 5g is perfectly safe despite every study on it showing its dangerous unsafe and and incredibly high radiation from the masts. Literally hjndreds of times past any safe level.

I cant fathom that level of stupidity and ignorance.

Timberrrrrrrr

Lonesomerhodes wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/government-and-garda-can-use-extreme-powers-to-tackle-covid-19-1.4200108?mode=amp&fbclid=IwAR1PBkX3Adi5uQtkks3ZzUvpVMbLJMVKp2pxVbufx6YleD_rcU9yHU8yax0

As predicted.
Quasi marital law and an end to freedoms.

All for your "safety" eh.

There is actually some on this thread think 5g is perfectly safe despite every study on it showing its dangerous unsafe and and incredibly high radiation from the masts. Literally hjndreds of times past any safe level.

I cant fathom that level of stupidity and ignorance.

Every government can use those powers in times of crisis. What has 5G got to do with a virus?

str8talkingguy

King Mob wrote: »

Sorry, I've made several points in my post. You are once again ignoring them.
Please go back and address them in full.

Its very easy to punch holes in theories,because nobody can be sure exactly what the agenda is,but its obvious there is an agenda.

100s of thousands dying in Iraq and Syria all for oil nobody seemed to care and we are meant to be believe now the same people are shutting down the whole world because 5 thousand old people died worldwide,the number of deaths is staggeringly low,how many babys were born in Ireland alone in this period when 5 thousand old and sick people died worldwide.

Shutting down schools and businesses is completely unnecessary its pretty obvious.