Coronavirus

King Mob

str8talkingguy wrote: »

Its very easy to punch holes in theories,because nobody can be sure exactly what the agenda is,but its obvious there is an agenda.

That statement is very silly and contradictory.
How can you be sure there's an agenda if you don't know what it is and there's no coherent explanation for it and it doesn't even make sense?

It's very easy to punch holes in conspiracy theories because they are often not true and based on false information and built on shakey ground.

For example, the claims we've seen here that 5G causes viral infections or that there's a secret plot to use vaccines to implant people with microchips (which may be the biblical mark of the beast).
It's obvious why it's easy to poke holes in these theories.

AllForIt

I don't get why one would thing new virus's comes from animals/birds. We are in contact with animals all the time and doubly a virus has to start somewhere so why couldn't it start in humans as easily it would start in a bat.

King Mob

Lonesomerhodes wrote: »

There is actually some on this thread think 5g is perfectly safe despite every study on it showing its dangerous unsafe and and incredibly high radiation from the masts. Literally hjndreds of times past any safe level.

I cant fathom that level of stupidity and ignorance.

Do you have a source for any of that? I don't think any of it is true.

Also, how could radio waves be hundreds of times past any safe level?
By what mechanism does 5G cause damage?

str8talkingguy

King Mob wrote: »

That statement is very silly and contradictory.
How can you be sure there's an agenda if you don't know what it is and there's no coherent explanation for it and it doesn't even make sense?

It's very easy to punch holes in conspiracy theories because they are often not true and based on false information and built on shakey ground.

For example, the claims we've seen here that 5G causes viral infections or that there's a secret plot to use vaccines to implant people with microchips (which may be the biblical mark of the beast).
It's obvious why it's easy to poke holes in these theories.

You know i don't know about 5g or what theory is right,but i know this is whole lock down doesn't make sense.

If it was such a lethal virus babies would be in danger but this just seems par for the course old and sick people when they catch flu's they die.

Social distancing for fecksake its ridiculous,why close the schools and leave pubs and bookies open,if it was a real attempt to quash the virus first off everything would have been shut down for 2 weeks see where we are then.I would a thought schools are more important than pubs and bookies to teach our kids for godsake.

Seems they want to do half measures then full measures in a couple weeks when it obviously is going to spread.

King Mob

AllForIt wrote: »

I don't get why one would thing new virus's comes from animals/birds. We are in contact with animals all the time and doubly a virus has to start somewhere so why couldn't it start in humans as easily it would start in a bat.

Well new viruses do come from animals all the time. There's nothing new strange or impossible about it.
This particular strain most likely just started in bats before leaping to humans.

Why is it difficult to believe?

If you are actually curious, why not look up how viruses arise on reputable sites?

King Mob

str8talkingguy wrote: »

You know i don't know about 5g or what theory is right,but i know this is whole lock down doesn't make sense.

Are you a doctor?
Are you an expert in viruses or outbreaks?
Are you a specialist in logistics or economics?

If not, then is it possible that the issue is actually very complex and that you don't have the skills and knowledge to make sense of it from articles you've read on the internet?

If that is not possible, you are then claiming that you, with just the information you've learned from the internet, as just as qualified and informed as those people. And that doesn't make sense.

Just because a large, global event that involves many complex factors doesn't make sense to your personally, it doesn't mean it's a big conspiracy.

(Also, the 5G theory is not correct. It's based on a poor understanding of science.)

str8talkingguy

King Mob wrote: »

Are you a doctor?
Are you an expert in viruses or outbreaks?
Are you a specialist in logistics or economics?

If not, then is it possible that the issue is actually very complex and that you don't have the skills and knowledge to make sense of it from articles you've read on the internet?

If that is not possible, you are then claiming that you, with just the information you've learned from the internet, as just as qualified and informed as those people. And that doesn't make sense.

Just because a large, global event that involves many complex factors doesn't make sense to your personally, it doesn't mean it's a big conspiracy.

Thats the classic way all you sheeple come in here to shut down any theory,"you aren't an expert listen to the experts".Its your go to when you can't answer the questions i posed.

You will find whatever you want to find on the internet,seek and you shall find.I read hardly anything on the net about this,i just look around me with eyes and mind open,with experience of having lived for a few years on this planet.

Debating with you is pointless,you have an agenda on this forum like a few posters,why don't you let people discuss it? I will tell you why,its because you get an empowering feeling from debunking people,its the only reason you are on this thread,not for any discussion.

King Mob

str8talkingguy wrote: »

,"you aren't an expert listen to the experts".

But that's not the point I was making.
I'm saying that because you aren't an expert, or knowledgeable in the very complex factors in this event, then it's not a surprise that it doesn't make sense.

So because it doesn't make sense to you, it doesn't mean it has to be a conspiracy. It could just be that you don't have the expertise and knowledge to make sense of it.

You are now in fact saying that you don't require expertise, knowledge or even accurate information to be able to make perfect sense of a very complex situation.

You say that you're coming at this with an open mind, but I don't think this is the case. I think you are not willing to consider the possibility that you are wrong.

Cheerful Spring2

str8talkingguy wrote: »

Thats the classic way all you sheeple come in here to shut down any theory,"you aren't an expert listen to the experts".Its your go to when you can't answer the questions i posed.

You will find whatever you want to find on the internet,seek and you shall find.I read hardly anything on the net about this,i just look around me with eyes and mind open,with experience of having lived for a few years on this planet.

Debating with you is pointless,you have an agenda on this forum like a few posters,why don't you let people discuss it? I will tell you why,its because you get an empowering feeling from debunking people,its the only reason you are on this thread,not for any discussion.

There no evidence to where exactly the infection first started. US had a surge of flu deaths in 2019. It could have been brought to China intentionally or by a tourist visiting Wuhan. Hopefully, in time science will figure it out and end the debate.

It also likely the virus was in an animal that got passed onto people in Wuhan.

Manufuctured scare is also possible. I don’t understand how 5G wireless nodes can give someone a virus?

Viruses have been studied in bio labs across the world for decades, so pathogen being removd from a facility it not crazy. Right now it just speculation.

There is people in this world who will use covert means to change the world as it is ( 9/11 and Kennedy are examples in my opinion) Could a covert group set up this all up to happen? If you believe 9/11 buildngs collapsed just to fire and Oswald acted alone this belief seems crazy.

Easy money just tank the economy and let the FED come to the rescue again.  Trillions of easy cash is there for taking!

With the lockdown in different countries. Personally i think this just a natural progression to stop the disease from spreading.  

str8talkingguy

King Mob wrote: »

But that's not the point I was making.
I'm saying that because you aren't an expert, or knowledgeable in the very complex factors in this event, then it's not a surprise that it doesn't make sense.

So because it doesn't make sense to you, it doesn't mean it has to be a conspiracy. It could just be that you don't have the expertise and knowledge to make sense of it.

You are now in fact saying that you don't require expertise, knowledge or even accurate information to be able to make perfect sense of a very complex situation.

You say that you're coming at this with an open mind, but I don't think this is the case. I think you are not willing to consider the possibility that you are wrong.

Its easy to debunk conspiracy theories,its low hanging fruit in any debate with a litany of go to cliches to shut down debate with the final one when you got no real theory yourself "trust the experts".

Its a conspiracy thread,which to be a conspiracy by definition is questioning and not trusting the experts,if your only point is trust the experts we might as well just shut down the thread now because it has no point.

If you got no real evidence yourself whats the point in posting,all you are just saying is i disagree with the whole title of the thread.

The Nal

Lonesomerhodes wrote: »

There is actually some on this thread think 5g is perfectly safe despite every study on it showing its dangerous unsafe and and incredibly high radiation from the masts. Literally hjndreds of times past any safe level.

ICNIRP finds no health risk with 5G technologies

Lonesomerhodes wrote: »

I cant fathom that level of stupidity and ignorance.

I know what you mean

4068ac1elhodqr

King Mob wrote: »

Sorry, I've made several points in my post. You are once again ignoring them.
Please go back and address them in full.

Sorry as far as can see, you've contributed nothing but eye rolls, snide remarks, then followed up with untruths and exagerrated false claims, many of which have been quickly countered from the getgo.

You have now exceeded your non-stop question quota for today (an ever popular deflection tactic), and I have other matters to attend to from Monday.

Might suggest you check your stocks of dry foods, biological age (over 60's should really bunker down), smoking habits (smokers are at 200% elevated risk), heavy drinkers (risk of organ failure), hypertension (some displays of pent up anger have already been presented).

Also, as a 'keen athiest' (if there is such a thing), why not pick a suitable skygod? One that meets your needs, for these times. Tally ho!

str8talkingguy

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

There no evidence to where exactly the infection first started. US had a surge of flu deaths in 2019. It could have been brought to China intentionally or by a tourist visiting Wuhan. Hopefully, in time science will figure it out and end the debate.

It also likely the virus was in an animal that got passed onto people in Wuhan.

Manufuctured scare is also possible. I don’t understand how 5G wireless nodes can give someone a virus?

Viruses have been studied in bio labs across the world for decades, so pathogen being removd from a facility it not crazy. Right now it just speculation.

There is people in this world who will use covert means to change the world as it is ( 9/11 and Kennedy are examples in my opinion) Could a covert group set up this all up to happen? If you believe 9/11 buildngs collapsed just to fire and Oswald acted alone this belief seems crazy.

Easy money just tank the economy and let the FED come to the rescue again.  Trillions of easy cash is there for taking!

With the lockdown in different countries. Personally i think this just a natural progression to stop the disease from spreading.  

The shutdown seems half hearted at best for me,they still got the horse-racing going on pubs and bookies open.Its almost like Leo and Simon wanna still enjoy themselves in the pubs while this is going on,like they really know its not serious at all.If it was a total shutdown for a couple weeks i might have had more belief in it being a genuine attempt to halt the virus and of it actually working.

The "experts" are shutting down our schools,Britains experts think different,whos right?Somebody has to be wrong.

King Mob

str8talkingguy wrote: »

"trust the experts".

But that's not my point either. I'm not telling you to trust anyone.
I'm saying that maybe you should consider that:
1) the situation is very complex with many complicated factors playing into it
and
2) you might not having all the expertise and knowledge to understand those factors completely.

And I am saying because those two things are true, then the line of reasoning your presenting is not very compelling and it shouldn't be compelling if you a being rational.

Just because it doesn't make sense to you, it doesn't follow that it has to be a global conspiracy or an "agenda".
If it doesn't make sense to you, then perhaps it might just be you don't have all the information, or there might be things about the situation you don't understand or realise.

str8talkingguy wrote: »

Its a conspiracy thread,which to be a conspiracy by definition is questioning

But we're not allowed to question the conspiracy theories?

4068ac1elhodqr

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Hmmm I suspect you're just inventing a way to insert it into this "debate" with some tenuous imagined link

Simply presented folks, not with the simple 2+2=4 (as they would like).

But instead, for the more individually cognitively capable (where many stumble), some light reading material for future plans associated with this Novel virus, the 0.00001%, DigitalIDs, and vaccine programs.

Alltogether, a lovely mix.

Handily, all readily available through www.id2020.org, maybe a quick googlebot or two (if able to perform such), oh, and the small matter of though processes.

Anyway good luck (old) boys, and yes, ignore that 5G/UFO/Soro (obvious topic deflection) stuff./

King Mob

Alena Tangy Someone wrote: »

Sorry as far as can see, you've contributed nothing but eye rolls, snide remarks, then followed up with untruths and exagerrated false claims, many of which have been quickly countered from the getgo.

You have now exceeded your non-stop question quota for today (an ever popular deflection tactic), and I have other matters to attend to from Monday.

Might suggest you check your stocks of dry foods, biological age (over 60's should really bunker down), smoking habits (smokers are at 200% elevated risk), heavy drinkers (risk of organ failure), hypertension (some displays of pent up anger have already been presented).

Also, as a 'keen athiest' (if there is such a thing), why not pick a suitable skygod? One that meets your needs, for these times. Tally ho!

And again, bizarre personal attacks.

The link you constantly post does not mention anything about withholding services from people. It does not mention nano chip vaccines. It does not have anything to do with this virus. These are all things you are dreaming up.

I do also suspect you do subscribe to the idea that there is a plot to microchip people and that this is the "mark of the beast".
This is plainly silly.

str8talkingguy

King Mob wrote: »

But that's not my point either. I'm not telling you to trust anyone.
I'm saying that maybe you should consider that:
1) the situation is very complex with many complicated factors playing into it
and
2) you might not having all the expertise and knowledge to understand those factors completely.

And I am saying because those two things are true, then the line of reasoning your presenting is not very compelling and it shouldn't be compelling if you a being rational.

Just because it doesn't make sense to you, it doesn't follow that it has to be a global conspiracy or an "agenda".
If it doesn't make sense to you, then perhaps it might just be you don't have all the information, or there might be things about the situation you don't understand or realise.


But we're not allowed to question the conspiracy theories?

But your whole point is you disagree with conspiracies as a whole,posters say i don't trust the experts because of X Y and Z and your comeback is i trust the experts because they are experts.

You just disagree with the whole spirit of the thread,you could have just said that on page one and stopped coming back to say the same thing,if you got something to add with substance then go for it but you haven't,you and a couple other posters just keep posting the same thing dressed in different ways,whats the point,you probably don't even see it yourself.

When you become a happier person yourself,if you look back on this thread you might well realize how right i am.

King Mob

str8talkingguy wrote: »

But your whole point is you disagree with conspiracies as a whole,

That's not my point. I outlined my point directly in the post above.

str8talkingguy wrote: »

posters say i don't trust the experts because of X Y and Z and your comeback is i trust the experts because they are experts.

Again, I have never said this. You are misrepresenting me.

str8talkingguy wrote: »

You just disagree with the whole spirit of the thread,you could have just said that on page one and stopped coming back to say the same thing,if you got something to add with substance then go for it but you haven't,you and a couple other posters just keep posting the same thing dressed in different ways,whats the point,you probably don't even see it yourself.

When you become a happier person yourself,if you look back on this thread you might well realize how right i am.

And again, more weird personal attacks...

ITman88

str8talkingguy wrote: »

Its very easy to punch holes in theories,because nobody can be sure exactly what the agenda is,but its obvious there is an agenda.

100s of thousands dying in Iraq and Syria all for oil nobody seemed to care and we are meant to be believe now the same people are shutting down the whole world because 5 thousand old people died worldwide,the number of deaths is staggeringly low,how many babys were born in Ireland alone in this period when 5 thousand old and sick people died worldwide.

Shutting down schools and businesses is completely unnecessary its pretty obvious.

Agree with this.
When you take in the perspective of the reaction it’s utterly crazy.
I would like to see the average death figure in the likes of Italy at the end of this year, and see how much it has increased above normal.

Dohnjoe

str8talkingguy wrote: »

But your whole point is you disagree with conspiracies as a whole,posters say i don't trust the experts because of X Y and Z and your comeback is i trust the experts because they are experts.

You just disagree with the whole spirit of the thread,you could have just said that on page one and stopped coming back to say the same thing,if you got something to add with substance then go for it but you haven't,you and a couple other posters just keep posting the same thing dressed in different ways,whats the point,you probably don't even see it yourself.

When you become a happier person yourself,if you look back on this thread you might well realize how right i am.

Conspiracies and inside jobs and corruption take place all the time.

However the (vast) majority of conspiracies that come up here are completely false. There's nothing wrong with pointing that out.

str8talkingguy

King Mob wrote: »

That's not my point. I outlined my point directly in the post above.


Again, I have never said this. You are misrepresenting me.


And again, more weird personal attacks...

Its not meant to be a personal attack,but you either are unhappy and venting or just lacking self awareness to double down on it with more of the same.

Point 1:"the situation is very complex with many complicated factors playing into it" translates pretty clearly as its too complex for us so we should just" trust the experts".

Point 2:"you might not having all the expertise and knowledge to understand those factors completely" again that translates pretty clearly as we don't know so"trust the experts".

Do you not understand that for the conspiracy thread to exist some people have to not trust the experts and through experience in life some people have good reason to not just blindly trust people when they say its too complex for you,trust the experts.

Your point is just the same point dressed differently,that is the only point you have had in this whole thread.You could have just said it once and be done.

str8talkingguy

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Conspiracies and inside jobs and corruption take place all the time.

However the (vast) majority of conspiracies that come up here are completely false. There's nothing wrong with pointing that out.

Then point it out with a logical explanation for why you think a particular theory wouldn't fly,that is how a proper discussion should be had on a conspiracy thread.

Saying simply trust the experts because they know isn't offering anything only disagreeing with the thread as a whole,because a conspiracy involves not trusting the experts to exist.

Dohnjoe

str8talkingguy wrote: »

Then point it out with a logical explanation for why you think a particular theory wouldn't fly,that is how a proper discussion should be had on a conspiracy thread.

If someone, anyone presents a conspiracy theory, fine, but it's up to that person to support that conspiracy.

As for "proper discussion", it's a conspiracy theory forum, it's a zoo in here, I believe there was even a rule in the past that conspiracy theorists didn't have to present evidence for any of their theories and no one could ask for it either. Lala-land stuff.

greenfield21

Saw a chart on the main covid thread that showed everyone that is dying in Italy so far from it is basically over the age of 60. I know we need to panic but why is there not more been made of those stats.

juno10353

KWe have all walked into martial law without a whimper. We are even brainwashed and fearful enough to be asking our government to shut down pubs, restaurants, cinemas etc. No one mixing. Zombie apocalypse

https://twitter.com/privowen/status/1238916943802961920

Dohnjoe

greenfield21 wrote: »

Saw a chart on the main covid thread that showed everyone that is dying in Italy so far from it is basically over the age of 60. I know we need to panic but why is there not more been made of those stats.

This has been common knowledge for awhile.

Granadino

juno10353 wrote: »

We have all walked into martial law without a whimper. We are even brainwashed and fearful enough to be asking our government to shut down

https://twitter.com/privowen/status/1238916943802961920

No harm for some place like Benidorm

Dohnjoe

juno10353 wrote: »

We have all walked into martial law without a whimper. We are even brainwashed and fearful enough to be asking our government to shut down

They are clearing the streets in Spain, it's currently the worst hit country in Europe after Spain. It's on national lockdown, meaning people can't leave home except for work or essential shopping

juno10353

Granadino wrote: »

No harm for some place like Benidorm

Benidorm today, France from Midnight, Canary islands Monday. Ireland?

They are asking people in the Canary Islands to isolate indoors even though it has been suggested that sunshine and heat may be one of the things which fights the virus.

CRAZY

https://twitter.com/privowen/status/1238916943802961920

Grueller Baby

https://twitter.com/Tiananmens/status/1238893141341724673?s=20

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