Coronavirus

FFVII

Clareman wrote: »

Vaccine should be optional, if a lot of people decide not to get vacinnated it'll help sort out our pension deficit fairly quickly, I would also suggest that if anyone decides against a vaccine that they should have to pay for any costs incurred for treatment of the disease afterwards.

What disease?

lawred2 wrote: »

Without questioning for a second..

Exactly. You question nothing. Sheep.

Tokyo

Mod: Moved to Conspiracy Theories.

FFVII

mike_ie wrote: »

Mod: Moved to Conspiracy Theories.

What part is a conspiracy?

Guy:Incognito

FFVII wrote: »

What disease?

Exactly. You question nothing. Sheep.

You're refusing to even entertain the questioning of the guy making the claims.

FFS. Thought you lot were all about "truth".

Par for the course though , "always question MSM and dont believe anything they (or this list of other people I will provide you with) say" , but unquestionably believe these people that say the things I like. It's funny calling other people sheep while swallowing whatever is approved by certain online communities who think they know the truth.

Ive no idea about the guy in the video but dont try to be all superior because you dont believe official information but will believe anything that contradicts it.

Harry Palmr

Sheep = 100% BS approved.

Mister Vain

FFVII wrote: »

What part is a conspiracy?

I guess if you try to even question the official narrative you're now a conspiracy theorist.

Ipso

What is he is called out by a Top doctor?

Ipso

Mister Vain wrote: »

I guess if you try to even question the official narrative you're now a conspiracy theorist.

Bill Gates is a lightning rod for the tin foily challenged, dig deep enough and you’ll be immersed in sheep sh1t.

Cheerful Spring2

splashuum wrote: »

Apparently stating facts is now labelled as propagating conspiracies hence why I have to post here instead of the C-19 main forum.

Many people seem to be changing their stance on the true origin of Covid-19.
A recent U.S. Defence Intelligence report, dated March 27 and corroborated by two U.S. officials, reveals that U.S. intelligence revised its January assessment in to now include the possibility that the new coronavirus emerged "accidentally" in Wuhan due to "unsafe laboratory practices".
Personally this doesn't come as a surprise.
The Wuhan lab received funding to do some questionable research, including $200 million for the international program called PREDICT, Some of this research involves taking deadly viruses and enhancing their ability to spread quickly through a population—research that took place over the objections of hundreds of scientists, who have warned for years of the program's potential to cause a pandemic.

Interestingly enough a tweeted report from 2015 article explains how the Wuhan virology lab was testing a "bat" based coronavirus. I think its far more likely at this stage that the virus came from the Wuhan lab rather than some wet market.

https://twitter.com/naturenews/status/666158895149264897?s=21&fbclid=IwAR25DKbdJV5FuJIxajl8EildQmMA6niys3JMhoRY0uTSQbIQaZ1C-b5oAwQ

Looks like the conspiracy folks are right again Trump says he saw evidence the virus came from the Lab in China. Now we wait, to see this new evidence.

Dohnjoe

Mister Vain wrote: »

I guess if you try to even question the official narrative you're now a conspiracy theorist.

Right, but you questioned the Youtube video you posted in which the doctor claims that Covid19 isn't real..

And the fact that the Youtube channel takes people like David Icke seriously, a man who believes reptiles run the world..

Dohnjoe

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Looks like the conspiracy folks are right again Trump says he saw evidence the virus came from the Lab in China. Now we wait, to see this new evidence.

Except that the US intelligence community is now stating that it looks like it wasn't man-made..

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52496098

The US intelligence community has determined Covid-19 "was not manmade or genetically modified", though it is still investigating the virus' origins.

The National Intelligence chief's office said agencies are looking into whether the outbreak began from animal contact or a laboratory accident.

President Donald Trump later suggested he had seen evidence the virus came out of a Chinese laboratory.

Cheerful Spring2

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Except that the US intelligence community is now stating that it looks like it wasn't man-made..

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52496098

You believe US intelligence Trump likely saw evidence and then leaked it. His known for leaking classified information. US intelligence does not want the Wuhan lab to be investigated because it will link back to Fort Detrick.
US intelligence will spin facts they don't provide the public with real information.

Ipso

Well if the pathological liar says so.

Dohnjoe

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

You believe US intelligence

Over Trump? of course. US intelligence is based on scientific consensus.

Trump likely saw evidence

He saw a political opportunity to attack China, he doesn't give a damn about the truth. He was on a few days ago suggesting people ingest or inject bleach.

Cheerful Spring2

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Over Trump? of course. US intelligence is based on scientific consensus.



He saw a political opportunity to attack China, he doesn't give a damn about the truth. He was on a few days ago suggesting people ingest or inject bleach.

The US National Institutes of Health, a government agency, awarded a $3.7million research grant to the Wuhan Institute of Virology
The lab is the center of several conspiracy theories that suggest it is the original source of the coronavirus outbreak
The institute experimented on bats from the source of the coronavirus
They were captured more than 1,000 miles away in Yunnan
Sequencing of the Covid-19 genome has traced it to bats to Yunnan's caves
The U.S. government funded research on coronavirus transmission in the lab over the past decade

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8211291/U-S-government-gave-3-7million-grant-Wuhan-lab-experimented-coronavirus-source-bats.html

The Key points are above. US Scientists funded this virus research in Wuhan. US neck deep in it and that don't want thier involvement investigated.

Dohnjoe

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

The US National Institutes of Health, a government agency, awarded a $3.7million research grant to the Wuhan Institute of Virology
The lab is the center of several conspiracy theories that suggest it is the original source of the coronavirus outbreak
The institute experimented on bats from the source of the coronavirus
They were captured more than 1,000 miles away in Yunnan
Sequencing of the Covid-19 genome has traced it to bats to Yunnan's caves
The U.S. government funded research on coronavirus transmission in the lab over the past decade

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8211291/U-S-government-gave-3-7million-grant-Wuhan-lab-experimented-coronavirus-source-bats.html

The Key points are above. US Scientists funded this virus research in Wuhan. US neck deep in it and that don't want thier involvement investigated.

Current scientific consensus is transmission from animals rather than man-made origin

Ipso

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

The US National Institutes of Health, a government agency, awarded a $3.7million research grant to the Wuhan Institute of Virology
The lab is the center of several conspiracy theories that suggest it is the original source of the coronavirus outbreak
The institute experimented on bats from the source of the coronavirus
They were captured more than 1,000 miles away in Yunnan
Sequencing of the Covid-19 genome has traced it to bats to Yunnan's caves
The U.S. government funded research on coronavirus transmission in the lab over the past decade

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8211291/U-S-government-gave-3-7million-grant-Wuhan-lab-experimented-coronavirus-source-bats.html

The Key points are above. US Scientists funded this virus research in Wuhan. US neck deep in it and that don't want thier involvement investigated.

US don’t want their involvement made public, so Trump says it’s man made.

King Mob

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

The lab is the center of several conspiracy theories that suggest it is the original source of the coronavirus outbreak
The institute experimented on bats from the source of the coronavirus
They were captured more than 1,000 miles away in Yunnan
Sequencing of the Covid-19 genome has traced it to bats to Yunnan's caves

So the article says the virus isn't man made...
Is it lying there?

ohnonotgmail

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

You believe US intelligence Trump likely saw evidence and then leaked it. His known for leaking classified information. US intelligence does not want the Wuhan lab to be investigated because it will link back to Fort Detrick.
US intelligence will spin facts they don't provide the public with real information.

you believe trump?

Hoop66

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

You believe US intelligence Trump likely saw evidence and then leaked it. His known for leaking classified information. US intelligence does not want the Wuhan lab to be investigated because it will link back to Fort Detrick.
US intelligence will spin facts they don't provide the public with real information.

But in this case you believe Trump? Who got his "intelligence" from?

quickbeam

FFVII wrote: »

Mod: Merged with existing Corona thread. No need for two threads on the same subject.

da_miser

Not a conspiracy, but go to whitehouse web page and check out Trumps Executive Orders, yesterday called up the Reserves, todays is about Foreign adversaries and the US electric supply.(China)
Trump going to pile tariffs on China
USA is gearing up for war, its all there for you to see if you wish.
Taking a page out of the pre WW2 actions agains Japan, force China into a corner

Cheerful Spring2

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

you believe trump?

A major outbreak starts in a city where scientists experimented with bat diseases and people think it came from a bat soup?. US and Chinese scientists were doing similar research for a decade, we know China regulations and standards and rules are less stringent, and some scientists in the US likely broke some rules here along the way and started using Chinese labs to experiment. Doctors are noticing some weird things the virus going after the heart ( link below). My speculation it is Sars 2 Supercharged virus designed in lab. I have seen no evidence to support wet market theory. That my view) and you differ?

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/heart-damage-in-covid-19-patients-puzzles-doctors/

Ipso

Bat soup, the jet fuel melting steel of this speculative fiction.

princereingold

Bill gates ,Canadian level 4 lab .Chinese doctors ,Wuhan level 4 lab.

Fausci diverted funds to support Wuhan lab.
Fauscis' own predictions to the public and to New Hampshire Gazette differ.

Pandemic exercise.What a coincidence.

WHO.

I dont blame the Bats.

Ipso

Park life.

Dohnjoe

princereingold wrote: »

Join the dots

Okay, I'll bite, what's your actual theory?

As a heads up: "Open your eyes", "Connect the dots", "You're too blind to see", "Question the corporate controlled media narrative", "Watch this 4 hour video", etc are not answers to the above question. I would like to know the specifics.

hopalongcass

da_miser wrote: »

Not a conspiracy, but go to whitehouse web page and check out Trumps Executive Orders, yesterday called up the Reserves, todays is about Foreign adversaries and the US electric supply.(China)
Trump going to pile tariffs on China
USA is gearing up for war, its all there for you to see if you wish.
Taking a page out of the pre WW2 actions agains Japan, force China into a corner

There is never going to be any war with China or Russia its just useful to have perceived enemies to divert funds towards the MIC.

You cannot be on the world stock exchange like China and be independent,once you open up for trade you put your country up for sale to the worlds elite.

China have long since been in the hands of the worlds elite,they definitely are not going to go to war with their owners,no matter what kind of bluster you hear from either side.They both just use each other to subjugate their populations,but they all are owned by the same people.

Nika Bolokov

Does anyone think this is the second wave of the virus?

France has now detected a case from December in someone who had not travelled to China.

If this proves to be the case its very interesting.

koutoubia

Nika Bolokov wrote: »

Does anyone think this is the second wave of the virus?

France has now detected a case from December in someone who had not travelled to China.

If this proves to be the case its very interesting.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0505/1136477-covid19-coronavirus-europe/
Its very interesting according to the article that they dont seem to know how he contracted it.
It was here and starting to run riot in europe and that is possibly why Italy and Spain got kicked hard.

princereingold

its seems that no test is 100% accurate.

the pcr test involves magnifying genetic material.

I understand that if enough magnifications are done you will get a positive result if you want one.

If you have had a previous flu shot ,you can test positive.

take out the false positives .

take out other deaths claimed to be ccp virus.

How many genuine infections are there ?

How many deaths are really from ccp virus?

i guess we will never know the deaths actually caused by the prolonged lockdown?

mandrake04

princereingold wrote: »

its seems that no test is 100% accurate.

the pcr test involves magnifying genetic material.

I understand that if enough magnifications are done you will get a positive result if you want one.

If you have had a previous flu shot ,you can test positive.

take out the false positives .

For starters SARS-Cov-2 is not flu, the sequence of Flu is not the same and the Primers/Probes are not looking for Flu.



RT-PCR extracts the virus RNA (similar to DNA) which is extremely small from the sample, it then amplifies only this specific RNA we can call this the Target. With each cycle of the thermo block the Target doubles power of 2.

1->2->4->8->16->32.....etc..etc.. -> xMillions by this stage you have increased the Molecular mass of the Target and the Analyser uses good old white man magic (filters and a Camera) to detect the fluorescent signal that the Target is present in the plate well.

If you dont have a good RNA sample at the start you don't have a positive result no matter how many cycles, it just wont happen.

RT-PCR is between 95-98% accurate, in this case of course the assumption made is the sample good.

where PCR fails its usually up to 3 things

a) Poor collection sample collection either by the collector taking the swab incorrectly or that when taking the swab (eg. the Throat) there was no virus found in that part of the body.

b) The window of when the sample was taken, you might be just infected but not yet sheding virus. Otherwise taking sample too early.

or you have had the virus and you have recovered and your immune system has cleared it from your body. Otherwise taking the sample too late.

c) Human error, often in low/mid capacity labs especially in research type labs humans do a lot of the processes. For example they could be using Pippettes and maybe miss a plate well and its like fuck did I miss that or dispense and because it could be 50uL you cant even see it.

Fully Automated load and walkaway Analysers remove doubt from this sort work.


Also its shown that SARS-CoV-2 Virus shows shedding in feaces 3 days before symptoms, maybe an Anal and Throat swab would be a better protocol for testing.

koutoubia

The woman they* silenced for 5 years has spoken.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJXEvQrGBVc&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR2jWVmxQk64yjnWnNRkKtMe4vXqwurmwpi9sATVnHwCUigpeo3i3QQ_ALU




*Fauci and his band of merry men!

Dohnjoe

koutoubia wrote: »

The woman they* silenced for 5 years has spoken.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJXEvQrGBVc&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR2jWVmxQk64yjnWnNRkKtMe4vXqwurmwpi9sATVnHwCUigpeo3i3QQ_ALU

*Fauci and his band of merry men!

Judy Mikovits is a well known anti-vaxxer

She also "does not believe that a vaccine is needed to prevent COVID-19, and claims that the coronavirus was "caused by a bad strain of flu vaccine that was circulating between 2013 and 2015". She also claimed masks will “activate” the virus and reinfect a mask-wearer over and over.[6]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judy_Mikovits

The Nal

koutoubia wrote: »

The woman they* silenced for 5 years has spoken.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJXEvQrGBVc&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR2jWVmxQk64yjnWnNRkKtMe4vXqwurmwpi9sATVnHwCUigpeo3i3QQ_ALU




*Fauci and his band of merry men!

The amount of times I've seen "must watch", "please share" etc about this video.

Worth reading below before you waste your time.

"Plandemic" is a video that makes unfounded assertions about the coronavirus."

That 'Plandemic' conspiracy video has been thoroughly debunked, people. Stop pushing it on us.

Discredited Doctor and Sham ‘Science’ Are the Stars of Viral Coronavirus Documentary ‘Plandemic’

King Mob

The Nal wrote: »

The amount of times I've seen "must watch", "please share" etc about this video.

Worth reading below before you waste your time.

"Think for yourself and don't trust anyone. But trust these shady ass people and their movie with no sources."

The Nal

King Mob wrote: »

"Think for yourself and don't trust anyone. But trust these shady ass people and their movie with no sources."

The gullibility is staggering. Proper sheep. A small flock, but sheep nonetheless.

Ipso

koutoubia wrote: »

The woman they* silenced for 5 years has spoken.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJXEvQrGBVc&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR2jWVmxQk64yjnWnNRkKtMe4vXqwurmwpi9sATVnHwCUigpeo3i3QQ_ALU.

*Fauci and his band of merry men!

I am an African prince that wants to share millions of dollars with you, beloved friend. Can I have your bank details

Cheerful Spring2

New info, making the rounds last couple of days.

https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2020/05/08/spanish-athletes-displayed-coronavirus-symptoms-following-the-world-military-games-in-wuhan-in-october-2019/


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8291755/Did-European-athletes-catch-coronavirus-competing-World-Military-Games-Wuhan-OCTOBER.html

Cheerful Spring2

Interesting new report, caution not confirmed.

US and British intelligence agencies are reportedly examining mobile phone data suggesting there could have been an emergency shutdown in October at the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

According to a report, obtained by NBC News, there was no mobile phone activity in a high-security part of the Chinese laboratory complex from Oct 7 to Oct 24. Previously, there had been consistent use of mobile phones.

The report, carried out by private experts, suggested there may have been a "hazardous event," specifically at the institute's National Biosafety Laboratory, between Oct 6 and Oct 11.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/05/09/us-uk-intelligence-agencies-examining-report-mobile-phone-data/

Lord Fairlord

Sweden's year to April, deaths per 100,000 from all causes, compared to previous years.

FFVII

Lord Fairlord wrote: »

Sweden's year to April, deaths per 100,000 from all causes, compared to previous years.

All totally blown out of whack///scam.

Dohnjoe

Lord Fairlord wrote: »

Sweden's year to April, deaths per 100,000 from all causes, compared to previous years.

April 2020 was Sweden's deadliest month in over two decades

https://www.thelocal.se/20200518/april-was-swedens-deadliest-month-in-two-decades

Dohnjoe

Australian poll finds 1 in 8 blame Bill Gates and 5G for coronavirus

https://www.zdnet.com/article/australian-poll-finds-1-in-8-blame-bill-gates-and-5g-for-coronavirus/

There is simply no cure for this level of stupid

FFVII

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Australian poll finds 1 in 8 blame Bill Gates and 5G for coronavirus

https://www.zdnet.com/article/australian-poll-finds-1-in-8-blame-bill-gates-and-5g-for-coronavirus/

There is simply no cure for this level of stupid

5G part is silly alright.

Ipso

Just the 5g part?

hopalongcass

Ipso wrote: »

Just the 5g part?

Well you cannot claim to be altruistic like Bill does when you have 100 billion in the bank,once you pass a certain amount of billions any claims of interest in the welfare of your fellow man goes out the window.

Ipso

hopalongcass wrote: »

Well you cannot claim to be altruistic like Bill does when you have 100 billion in the bank,once you pass a certain amount of billions any claims of interest in the welfare of your fellow man goes out the window.

Yeah. His volcano secret lair is the give away.

Dohnjoe

hopalongcass wrote: »

Well you cannot claim to be altruistic like Bill does when you have 100 billion in the bank,once you pass a certain amount of billions any claims of interest in the welfare of your fellow man goes out the window.

There's an equation to this? what's the exact cut-off point?

I know plenty of people with mediocre amounts who do not give one flying eff about their fellow man.

hopalongcass

Dohnjoe wrote: »

There's an equation to this? what's the exact cut-off point?

I know plenty of people with mediocre amounts who do not give one flying eff about their fellow man.

The cut off point is impossible to measure in reality given the nature of how money works,but the only thing we can be sure of is that Bill Gates and Jeff Bezos have long passed that cut off point.

Off course i know plenty of people too that don't care a jot about their fellow man but they aren't going around trying to shape policy during a global pandemic on the claims of being altruistic when the evidence clearly shows he is anything but what he claims.