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Dohnjoe wrote: »

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These are rookie figures people, come on

See my earlier reply, in which tried to avoid swearing at such *** ***** commentary. Would consider such comments/comparisions as below standard, thus not worthy of any reply.

Cheerful Spring2

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Vaguely credible conspiracies about Corona: 0

A mystery illness the CDC could not identify in the late Summer of 2019 not important?

July 2019, three months before the Wuhan outbreak in China.

The Fairfax County Department of Health said that 54 individuals had become ill with "respiratory symptoms ranging from upper respiratory symptoms (cough) to pneumonia" in the last 11 days at Greenspring Retirement Community in Springfield.

In a letter Wednesday to residents obtained by ABC News affiliate WJLA-TV in Washington D.C., Greenspring described symptoms as "fever, cough, body aches, wheezing, hoarseness and general weakness."

Cheerful Spring2

Highly suspicious that suddenly in 2019 there was this vaping alleged crisis.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%80%932020_vaping_lung_illness_outbreak

What has occurred in the US has not occurred in other places where vaping is frequent such as the UK, John Britton, the director of the UK Centre for Tobacco and Alcohol Studies, stated in October 2019.[4] In European countries such as France, there is no evidence of an outbreak of the vaping-associated lung illness that occurred in the US.

Cheerful Spring2

It clear the west not connecting the dots. This mystery illness was clearly covid-19. Since nobody knew what the problem was they were putting it down to something else.

Canada Canada
Health Canada, the responsible government agency, responded to the US cases of potentially deadly lung illness by issuing a warning on September 4, 2019.[

Cheerful Spring2

World Health Organization
Dr. Vinayak Prasad, overseer of tobacco control at World Health Organization, told CNN on September 12, 2019, that WHO was observing the events in the US and abroad and will provide information to governments at the appropriate time.[98] Prasad also stated that its member states have not made any announcements of lung illnesses that resemble those that were observed in the US.[98]


Why is the US different to the rest of the world? Nobody seems to care?

Dohnjoe

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

A mystery illness the CDC could not identify in the late Summer of 2019 not important?

July 2019, three months before the Wuhan outbreak in China.

The Fairfax County Department of Health said that 54 individuals had become ill with "respiratory symptoms ranging from upper respiratory symptoms (cough) to pneumonia" in the last 11 days at Greenspring Retirement Community in Springfield.

In a letter Wednesday to residents obtained by ABC News affiliate WJLA-TV in Washington D.C., Greenspring described symptoms as "fever, cough, body aches, wheezing, hoarseness and general weakness."

What was the outcome? did they find out what this was?

Cheerful Spring2

Dohnjoe wrote: »

What was the outcome? did they find out what this was?

I tried to find an update, but this was last media report I Can find online. You can look and see if there was another explantation

Week after the first report.
https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/health-officials-to-give-update-after-respiratory-illness-sickens-dozens-at-virginia-retirement-community/135890/

Dohnjoe

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

I tried to find an update, but this was last media report I Can find online. You can look and see if there was another explantation

Week after the first report.
https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/health-officials-to-give-update-after-respiratory-illness-sickens-dozens-at-virginia-retirement-community/135890/

This is the latest I could find

https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2019/07/updating-2-outbreaks-respiratory.html

Doesn't seem to be connected to any conspiracy though..

Cheerful Spring2

Dohnjoe wrote: »

This is the latest I could find

https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2019/07/updating-2-outbreaks-respiratory.html

Doesn't seem to be connected to any conspiracy though..

Blog and not sure how reliable the information is.

Covid-19 was not known virus at the time. It very strange with so many people sick they could not identify the specific cause. It probably more proof they had a new virus but they had no proper kit to identify it?

Additional laboratory testing from CDC has not identified a specific cause for the increase in respiratory illness. Test results showed several bacteria that are known to colonize the nose and throat and may not be the cause of infection

Despite extensive testing of multiple specimens, no specific pathogen was identified as the cause of the outbreak.

Cheerful Spring2

Least his honest first sentence.

A couple of weeks ago, in Fairfax Co. Va Health Advisory: Outbreak of Respiratory Illness at a Long-Term Care Facility, we began to follow reports of an as-yet-unidentified respiratory illness among residents of a long term care facility (LTCF) in Virginia.

Dohnjoe

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Blog and not sure how reliable the information is.

Covid-19 was not known virus at the time. It very strange with so many people sick they could not identify the specific cause. It probably more proof they had a new virus but they had no proper kit to identify it?

Additional laboratory testing from CDC has not identified a specific cause for the increase in respiratory illness. Test results showed several bacteria that are known to colonize the nose and throat and may not be the cause of infection

Despite extensive testing of multiple specimens, no specific pathogen was identified as the cause of the outbreak.

It follows - if this was Covid-19, which is highly contagious, why did no one else get it outside the nursing home?

If it was, then tests on the victims would show it as Covid-19 now, if there was any suspicion by health and medical professionals they would conduct tests immediately

Respiratory illnesses at nursing homes seem to happen pretty often, how do we know this one is not just being highlighted due to selection bias?
https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/36/7/870/318878

And if it was Covid-19, then it flared up in a nursing home, didn't infect anyone else, and then completely died down. What conspiracy does that support?

Cheerful Spring2

Dohnjoe wrote: »

It follows - if this was Covid-19, which is highly contagious, why did no one else get it outside the nursing home?

If it was, then tests on the victims would show it as Covid-19 now, if there was any suspicion by health and medical professionals they would conduct tests immediately

Respiratory illnesses at nursing homes seem to happen pretty often, how do we know this one is not just being highlighted due to selection bias?
https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/36/7/870/318878

And if it was Covid-19, then it flared up in a nursing home, didn't infect anyone else, and then completely died down. What conspiracy does that support?


Listen to the CDC director! Cases got marked down as Flu and turned out those people had Covid-19 !
If they misidentified the vaping cause lung illness and could not tell the difference between this virus and the flu. Then there could be thousands of spreaders inside the United States, the summer of 2019.  


Dohnjoe

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »


Listen to the CDC director! Cases got marked down as Flu and turned out those people had Covid-19 !

Indeed, but note how he says "some cases". I would suspect these were early on, when less was known about the disease.

If they misidentified the vaping cause lung illness and could not tell the difference between this virus and the flu. Then there could be thousands of spreaders inside the United States, the summer of 2019.  

Just 3 weeks ago there were 200 cases in the US, now there are 100,000 that we know of, and 1,600 deaths. It spreads pretty fast and is very noticeable.

If there was an outbreak of Covid-19 in the US, way back last year, in July, out of season for the seasonal flu, it would have been pretty noticeable. Also, without any social distancing or warnings whatsoever it would have gotten pretty big, pretty fast.

It seems more like that members of the retirement home in Virginia contracted some respiratory illness that wasn't very contagious

Cheerful Spring2

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Indeed, but note how he says "some cases". I would suspect these were early on, when less was known about the disease.



Just 3 weeks ago there were 200 cases in the US, now there are 100,000 that we know of, and 1,600 deaths. It spreads pretty fast and is very noticeable.

If there was an outbreak of Covid-19 in the US, way back last year, in July, out of season for the seasonal flu, it would have been pretty noticeable. Also, without any social distancing or warnings whatsoever it would have gotten pretty big, pretty fast.

It seems more like that members of the retirement home in Virginia contracted some respiratory illness that wasn't very contagious

Doctors in Iceland have discovered there 40 different mutations of the virus.  The virus has mutated since 2019. 
Comparing numbers now is unrealistic. 
Virus in 2019 is not same as one in 2020

US is testing now for covid 19.
 Late Summer and Winter of 2019- no testing was done. 
US reported a very high number of Flu deaths and vapings deaths in late 2019.
Many would have recovered and be fine. 

Cheerful Spring2

There could be hidden cases in here.

CDC estimates that the burden of illness during the 2018–2019 season included an estimated 35.5 million people getting sick with influenza, 16.5 million people going to a health care provider for their illness, 490,600 hospitalizations, and 34,200 deaths from influenza (Table 1

Dohnjoe

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Doctors in Iceland have discovered there 40 different mutations of the virus.  The virus has mutated since 2019. 
Comparing numbers now is unrealistic. 
Virus in 2019 is not same as one in 2020

US is testing now for covid 19.
 Late Summer and Winter of 2019- no testing was done. 
US reported a very high number of Flu deaths and vapings deaths in late 2019.
Many would have recovered and be fine. 

Right, and even if this speculation were true, what's the conspiracy behind it?

Dohnjoe

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

There could be hidden cases in here.

CDC estimates that the burden of illness during the 2018–2019 season included an estimated 35.5 million people getting sick with influenza, 16.5 million people going to a health care provider for their illness, 490,600 hospitalizations, and 34,200 deaths from influenza (Table 1

Covid-19 has a significantly higher death rate than seasonal flu.

thebaz

Sometimes its like Orwells 1984 is happening so fast, driven by China , a mysterious unknown virus from a market, that only seamed to infect a particular city and province ther, and turned the rest of the world into complete lockdown. I'm not generally suspiciou,s but tonight something does not seam right.

Cheerful Spring2

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Right, and even if this speculation were true, what's the conspiracy behind it?

Not a Chinese virus obviously? It originated in the US. How that happened leads us into conspiracy territory. Why did the CDC close down Fort Dettrick US
defence department bio disease facility in Aug 2019. There may a cover up to hide someone leaked a virus from this lab.

Cheerful Spring2

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Covid-19 has a significantly higher death rate than seasonal flu.

Doctors said there different strain of the virus mild and dangerous. It could easily have happened by now America dealing with both types.

Cheerful Spring2

Dohnjoe happened before.

Fort detrick involvement in the Anthrax attacks
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_anthrax_attacks

Dohnjoe

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Not a Chinese virus obviously? It originated in the US.

There's no indication that Covid-19 originated in the US whatsoever.

Remember you are just engaging in complete speculation about some retirement home deaths (which happens) and incidents linked to vaping. That Covid-19 was lingering in US for months has to be imagined. Likewise that some variant of it was lingering also has to be imagined.

How that happened leads us into conspiracy territory. Why did the CDC close down Fort Dettrick US
defence department bio disease facility in Aug 2019. There may a cover up to hide someone leaked a virus from this lab.

They didn't close it, they shut it down for a period due to some sort of infraction. There is no indication whatsoever that a disease was leaked from the facility

That part has to be completely imagined.

Cheerful Spring2

Dohnjoe wrote: »

There's no indication that Covid-19 originated in the US whatsoever.

Remember you are just engaging in complete speculation about some retirement home deaths (which happens) and incidents linked to vaping. That Covid-19 was lingering in US for months has to be imagined. Likewise that some variant of it was lingering also has to be imagined.



They didn't close it, they shut it down for a period due to some sort of infraction. There is no indication whatsoever that a disease was leaked from the facility

That part has to be completely imagined.

I don’t think it is wild speculation.
Yes, I do agree we don't have a complete picture of information did the virus begin in America.
To claim it all imagined is untrue!

Other country's health officials announced the vaping lung illness in 2019 was an American experience! America had an outbreak that no other country had.  Why was America unique compared to the rest of the world?

The info from the link you posted.
The CDC could not pinpoint the pathogen that caused the illness. Today we know the sickness caused by Covid-19. The illness at the retirement home matched. 

Mystery illness breaking out in 2019 should be investigated further and not be dismissed just because you feel uncomfortable the conspiracy maybe true?

I don’t believe a national government released the virus. I think it's more reasonable the virus leaked by mistake or a rogue chemist or some rogue outfit is experimenting to change the global way of life. I don’t think any government would consciously wreck their economy.

We’ll never know the real story if a pathogen escaped from the Fort Detrick facility and CDC caught wind of that and closed it down. There too much at stake now for America to admit the virus started there. As the world will blame them instead. The fact the virus hit China and then Iran suggests this was a op of some kind.

Iran next hit hard after China is highly unusual for a virus to skip all the way to there?

In saying all this, i don't totally dismiss the idea the virus is natural, that an animal or bat caused it and human carrier infected others in China.

The Nal

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »


Other country's health officials announced the vaping lung illness in 2019 was an American experience! America had an outbreak that no other country had.  Why was America unique compared to the rest of the world?

Because they were producing black market synthetic cannabis vape oil that contained Vitamin E acetate that basically turned into glue in peoples lungs. They identified it, outlawed it, people stopped smoking it and people stopped getting sick.

Timberrrrrrrr

The Nal wrote: »

Because they were producing black market synthetic cannabis vape oil that contained Vitamin E acetate that basically turned into glue in peoples lungs. They identified it, outlawed it, people stopped smoking it and people stopped getting sick.

Was just about to post the same lol.

Cheerful Spring2

The Nal wrote: »

Because they were producing black market synthetic cannabis vape oil that contained Vitamin E acetate that basically turned into glue in peoples lungs. They identified it, outlawed it, people stopped smoking it and people stopped getting sick.

There guessing.

On November 8, 2019, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) identified vitamin E acetate as a very strong culprit of concern in the vaping-related illnesses, but has not ruled out other chemicals or toxicants as possible causes

They just found this Vitamin E acetate in some samples send in and then started claiming this was the cause for the illness for everyone. Poor science. CDC even admits not everyone was using a product with Vitamin E acetate.

Everyone bought this product on the black market is pure fiction. You can buy THC at retail.

Dohnjoe

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

I don’t think it is wild speculation.
Yes, I do agree we don't have a complete picture of information did the virus begin in America.
To claim it all imagined is untrue!

I am demonstrating how unrelated info is being used to make tenuous links

Some people died in a nursing home in Virginia, July last year, there is no evidence it was Covid-19 or a mutation. It's important to note I am not saying it's impossible, but I am pointing out there is no supporting evidence.

There were some deaths associated with vaping. There is no evidence that was Covid-19 or a mutation.

There was a US lab temporarily shutdown by the regulators, due to infractions, there is no evidence someone "leaked" Covid-19 from the labs

All the Covid-19 "links" between those comes from your (or other people's) imaginations. It's not based on any supporting evidence, it's more based on people who either want there to be a conspiracy or who are paranoid there is "something going on" and make up their own imagined connections

That's fine, maybe there was Covid-19 in the US last year, but there is no direct evidence for it.

Anyone can make any story out of imagined links.

Cheerful Spring2

Dohnjoe wrote: »

I am demonstrating how unrelated info is being used to make tenuous links

Some people died in a nursing home in Virginia, July last year, there is no evidence it was Covid-19 or a mutation. It's important to note I am not saying it's impossible, but I am pointing out there is no supporting evidence.

There were some deaths associated with vaping. There is no evidence that was Covid-19 or a mutation.

There was a US lab temporarily shutdown by the regulators, due to infractions, there is no evidence someone "leaked" Covid-19 from the labs

All the Covid-19 "links" between those comes from your (or other people's) imaginations. It's not based on any supporting evidence, it's more based on people who either want there to be a conspiracy or who are paranoid there is "something going on" and make up their own imagined connections


That's fine, maybe there was Covid-19 in the US last year, but there is no direct evidence for it.

Anyone can make any story out of imagined links.

I provided evidence
A mystery illness was reported in July 2019 at a retired home in Virgina.
Dozens fell ill some died. They had the illness of Covid 19.
CDC done tests and could not identify the cause.
Thats highly unusual.
I think that merits further study and a new investigation.
Virginia is where Fort Dettrick is located. You have a case there for a virus leak!
You have CDC rushing in Aug 2019 closing the facility down ( a few weeks later)

Cheerful Spring2

From Taiwan.

National Taiwan University (NTU) public health researcher Fang Chi-tai (方啟泰) said yesterday as he cited the opinions of other researchers.
Analyses of COVID-19 have shown that is has a 96 percent genetic similarity with an RaTG13 bat virus at the institute, he said.

This if true blows my mind.
A French research team that examined the gene sequence of COVID-19 has discovered that it has four more amino acids than other coronaviruses, he said, adding that this makes its transmission easier.

Mutations of viruses that occur naturally only result in small, singular changes, he said, adding that one would not normally see a naturally mutated virus suddenly take on four amino acids.

While such a large mutation is not impossible, it is highly unlikely, he said.

According to Taiwan officials the virus is likely synthetic manmade virus
https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2020/02/23/2003731479

The Nal

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

There guessing.

On November 8, 2019, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) identified vitamin E acetate as a very strong culprit of concern in the vaping-related illnesses, but has not ruled out other chemicals or toxicants as possible causes

They just found this Vitamin E acetate in some samples send in and then started claiming this was the cause for the illness for everyone. Poor science. CDC even admits not everyone was using a product with Vitamin E acetate.

Everyone bought this product on the black market is pure fiction. You can buy THC at retail.

"November 2019".

Its March 2020 now.