Coronavirus

Cheerful Spring2

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Within the space of a post, you've turned your imagined scenario into fact.

Coronaviruses were first discovered in the 1930's, the human variant in the 60's. The one they allegedly discovered in that cave 7 years ago seems (so far) to be the closest ancestor to what we have now.

In May 2020, the director of the Wuhan Institute of Virology said there was no live copy of the RaTG13 virus in the lab, so it would have been impossible for it to leak.

https://www.nst.com.my/world/world/2020/07/606314/report-covid-19-virus-sent-wuhan-2013

China actively now trying to suppress the found a new virus in 2013 and brought it to the lab to be studied.

Cheerful Spring2

Yunnan bat coronavirus (BatCoV RaTG13) isolated in 2013 was found to be most closely related to SARS-CoV-2

Wuhan lab director of course now claims no samples were studied there? Sunday Times investigation discovered that to be untrue.

Cheerful Spring2

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Truth coming out slowly. China is trying to cover this up.





China had covid 19 in 2013 and was experimenting with it for years. The wet market is nonsense. Connect the dots is hard for you of course
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8491491/Coronaviruss-closest-ancestor-SEVEN-YEARS-ago-bat-infested-China.html

A closest relative to the virus being found in the same region as the virus isn't the smoking gun you think it is. It also wasn't covid 19, covid 19 is an ancestor of it. You've attached hyperbolic claims to a pretty unsurprising discovery. Also it's rather telling that you didn't even attempt to address my previous post.

Dohnjoe

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

China actively now trying to suppress he found a new virus in 2013 and brought it to the lab to be studied.

Coronaviruses have been studied in labs for decades.

Some experts (e.g. Dr Peter Daszak, an animal disease expert) believe the current strain may have originated from Mojiang (where the cave is located) and then could have broken out in the densely populated city of Wuhan

Think. The disease from bats in the cave jumped from animal to 6 humans. If those people caught it, then at any point in the last 7 years it could have been transmitted to humans in or near the caves - therefore it could be the original source for the current disease

At no point does it automatically mean it "escaped" from a lab, yet that's the bizarre conclusion you jump to.

Cheerful Spring2

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Coronaviruses have been studied in labs for decades.

Some experts (e.g. Dr Peter Daszak, an animal disease expert) believe the current strain may have originated from Mojiang (where the cave is located) and then could have broken out in the densely populated city of Wuhan

Think. The disease from bats in the cave jumped from animal to 6 humans. If those people caught it, then at any point in the last 7 years it could have been transmitted to humans in or near the caves - therefore it could be the original source for the current disease

At no point does it automatically mean it "escaped" from a lab, yet that's the bizarre conclusion you jump to.

Dr Peter Daszak, a British animal disease expert, told The Sunday Times: 'It didn't emerge in the market, it emerged somewhere else.'

It indeed emerged somewhere else exactly (the mine) and then bat samples were taken to the lab in Wuhan and studied and then a accident occurred in 2019. A disease this infectious would have escaped long ago and would not have taken 7 years to be known to the world. Fact it happened in Wuhan and not other parts of China is obvious. The disease was stored in the virology lab in Wuhan.

Dohnjoe

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

A disease this infectious would have escaped long ago and would not have taken 7 years to be known to the world.

The current strain of the disease is infectious among humans. That obviously doesn't mean it has that same contagion rate between animal hosts and humans.

A disease, genetically very close to what we have today allegedly made the jump from animals to humans. If true, that bolsters the theory that the disease was originally transmitted from animals. At any point in the last years the disease could have made the same jump it did in 2013, and could be the source for the current strain.

King Mob

I guess Cheerful is an expert virologist now too...?

enno99

Dohnjoe wrote: »

He's not a virologist, he's essentially a goldbug who specialises in fear-mongering videos about financial armageddon in order to scare people into buying gold. These types of people predict economic doomsday every other tuesday, so when a fall does happen, they take credit for it - and their careers are based on it

Your penchant for attacking people is getting boring

Best you can come up with name calling and whip out your sceptics handbook and type a few XYZ nonsense


some science papers

https://www.nature.com/articles/366066a0

http://molpharm.aspetjournals.org/content/51/2/177.abstract

https://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/bi970781p

CONTRIBUTOR
Chris Martenson, Ph.D.
Economic researcher and futurist

Chris Martenson, PhD (Duke), MBA (Cornell) is an economic researcher and futurist specializing in energy and resource depletion. As one of the early econobloggers who forecasted the housing market collapse and stock market correction years in advance, Chris rose to prominence with the launch of his seminal video seminar: The Crash Course which was been published in book form last year (Wiley, March 2011). In addition to the analysis and commentary he writes for his site PeakProsperity.com, Chris’ insights are in high demand by the media as well as civic and private organizations around the world, including institutions such as the UN, the UK House of Commons and US State Congresses.

https://www.huffpost.com/author/chris-martenson-phd

This article was considered for deletion at Wikipedia on January 28 2020.
https://deletionpedia.org/en/Christopher_Martenson

Must be near the mark if the want to cancel him

enno99

enno99 wrote: »

Your penchant for attacking people is getting boring

Best you can come up with name calling and whip out your sceptics handbook and type a few XYZ nonsense


some science papers

https://www.nature.com/articles/366066a0

http://molpharm.aspetjournals.org/content/51/2/177.abstract

https://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/bi970781p

CONTRIBUTOR
Chris Martenson, Ph.D.
Economic researcher and futurist

Chris Martenson, PhD (Duke), MBA (Cornell) is an economic researcher and futurist specializing in energy and resource depletion. As one of the early econobloggers who forecasted the housing market collapse and stock market correction years in advance, Chris rose to prominence with the launch of his seminal video seminar: The Crash Course which was been published in book form last year (Wiley, March 2011). In addition to the analysis and commentary he writes for his site PeakProsperity.com, Chris’ insights are in high demand by the media as well as civic and private organizations around the world, including institutions such as the UN, the UK House of Commons and US State Congresses.

https://www.huffpost.com/author/chris-martenson-phd

This article was considered for deletion at Wikipedia on January 28 2020.
https://deletionpedia.org/en/Christopher_Martenson

Must be near the mark if the want to cancel him

Contributing to journals over 20 years ago on topics that don't relate to virology isn't exactly relevant. The field that he is a specialist isn't related to viruses, having youtube videos about viruses does not amount to anything. Think I'll stick to the experts. Wikipedia articles get deleted about people when they aren't particularly noteworthy, that article was considered for deletion in January so hardly being 'cancelled'....

The background to its deletion here and it seems more like he created his own wikipedia article. It was also previously deleted in 2009.

Non-notable individual per WP:GNG. Handful of citations from the 90s and no scientific contributions whatsoever since make him fail NPROF too. He's now a conspiracy theorist, apparently, and I could find no SIGCOV about him. Sources listed are unreliable or straight up written by him. No article covers him exclusively nor substantiates his notability. I found no reviews of his book beyond known conspiracy sites, so he's non-notable per WP:AUTHOR as well.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Christopher_Martenson

enno99

Deleted User wrote: »

Contributing to journals over 20 years on topics that don't relate to virology isn't exactly relevant. The field that he is a specialist isn't related to viruses, having youtube videos about viruses does not amount to anything. Think I'll stick to the experts. Wikipedia articles get deleted about people when they aren't particularly noteworthy, that article was considered for deletion in January so hardly being 'cancelled'....

The background to its deletion here and it seems more like he created his own wikipedia article. It was also previously deleted in 2009.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?cirrusUserTesting=control&sort=relevance&search=christopher+martenson&title=Special:Search&profile=advanced&fulltext=1&advancedSearch-current=%7B%7D&ns0=1

Pathology is the study of the causes and effects of disease or injury. The word pathology also refers to the study of disease in general, incorporating a wide range of bioscience research fields and medical practices.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pathology

So hes not just a gold bug

So his understanding of subject is relevant
After all hes just analysing the data and giving his informed opinion

Dohnjoe

enno99 wrote: »

Your penchant for attacking people is getting boring

I wouldn't suggest getting virus information from a Youtube economist/goldbug

Economic researcher and futurist

and "futurist"

enno99

enno99 wrote: »

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?cirrusUserTesting=control&sort=relevance&search=christopher+martenson&title=Special:Search&profile=advanced&fulltext=1&advancedSearch-current=%7B%7D&ns0=1

Pathology is the study of the causes and effects of disease or injury. The word pathology also refers to the study of disease in general, incorporating a wide range of bioscience research fields and medical practices.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pathology

So hes not just a gold bug

So his understanding of subject is relevant
After all hes just analysing the data and giving his informed opinion

He last published nearly thirty years ago. You don't go to a pathologist for detailed expertise on virology, so it's reasonable to defer to the virologists who are published on the topic. And the likes of CDC in Europe and the US.

Dohnjoe

Deleted User wrote: »

He last published nearly thirty years ago. You don't go to a pathologist for detailed expertise on virology, so it's reasonable to defer to the virologists who are published on the topic. And the likes of CDC in Europe and the US.

As someone who works in the field, his economic analysis is the usual alarmist fare, very typical of people pushing certain investments/gold

Note how he goes viral with a Coronavirus video and turns all his attention to that. He's another one of these clickbait Youtube doomsday merchants selling edgy/fear-mongered stuff
https://www.youtube.com/user/ChrisMartensondotcom/videos

enno99

Deleted User wrote: »

He last published nearly thirty years ago. You don't go to a pathologist for detailed expertise on virology, so it's reasonable to defer to the virologists who are published on the topic. And the likes of CDC in Europe and the US.

Well reasonable would be considering any information that is accurate

Viruses cause a wide range of human diseases, ranging from acute self‐resolving conditions to acute fatal diseases. Effects that arise long after the primary infection can also increase the propensity for chronic conditions or lead to the development of cancer. Recent advances in the fields of virology and pathology have been fundamental in improving our understanding of viral pathogenesis, in providing improved vaccination strategies and in developing newer, more effective treatments for patients

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/path.4476

You could point out where he is wrong

enno99

Dohnjoe wrote: »

As someone who works in the field, his economic analysis is the usual alarmist fare, very typical of people pushing certain investments/gold

Note how he goes viral with a Coronavirus video and turns all his attention to that. He's another one of these clickbait Youtube doomsday merchants selling edgy/fear-mongered stuff
https://www.youtube.com/user/ChrisMartensondotcom/videos

Chris’ insights are in high demand by the media as well as civic and private organizations around the world, including institutions such as the UN, the UK House of Commons and US State Congresses.

your just lazy you cant be bothered to even read what is posted in the thread

enno99

enno99 wrote: »

Chris’ insights are in high demand by the media as well as civic and private organizations around the world, including institutions such as the UN, the UK House of Commons and US State Congresses.

your just lazy you cant be bothered to even read what is posted in the thread

And have any those talks related to virology or pathology? A quick google indicates it was related to energy. The only one I can find was in the house of commons and it was about a decade ago. So that's not very indicative of being in high demand, he hasn't even written an article in the huffington post since 2017... :P

Also quoting a study that references pathology when he hasn't been active in the field in over 20 years is pretty irrelevant. He's free to submit his views to peer review but instead he goes to youtube... Would you go to a dentist who hasn't practised in 25 years? So once again, I will defer to experts who are active in the field who go through peer review rather than youtube videos.

You really seem to love the guy but you have a little too much faith.

Dohnjoe

enno99 wrote: »

Chris’ insights are in high demand by the media as well as civic and private organizations around the world, including institutions such as the UN, the UK House of Commons and US State Congresses.

He's ultimately a doomsday merchant who has made a living predicting economic armageddon that never quite comes (at one point he was selling his own DVD's for up to $170, and $300 subscriptions to his website, alarmism sells)

He's currently cashing in on Coronavirus fears and pushing himself as more of an expert on the subject than he is. The content isn't as bad as the clickbait titles, but certainly not someone I'd recommend as a source.

enno99

Gain of function Fauchi Funding

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6y8dlhoMpo

enno99

enno99 wrote: »

Gain of function Fauchi Funding

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6y8dlhoMpo

Why would you expect us to watch a forty minute video? Can you summarise the claims? Is Fauci the big bad?

ohnonotgmail

Why is it they are always videos and not written articles? perhaps a function of their intended audience.

enno99

Deleted User wrote: »

Why would you expect us to watch a forty minute video? Can you summarise the claims? Is Fauci the big bad?

I dont expect anything

You could point out where he is wrong if you watched the videos

But it seems here its easier to try discredit the man rather than the information

enno99

enno99 wrote: »

I dont expect anything

You could point out where he is wrong if you watched the videos

But it seems here its easier to try discredit the man rather than the information

I have better things to do with 40 minutes. You should be able to summarise his points. It's pretty reasonable that I'm not using a random guy on youtube as a relevant source on virology.

ohnonotgmail

enno99 wrote: »

I dont expect anything

You could point out where he is wrong if you watched the videos

But it seems here its easier to try discredit the man rather than the information

posting a 40 minute video without adding a summary or your own opinion on the video is poor form and will just be ignored. just saying.

Ted_YNWA

enno99 wrote: »

Gain of function Fauchi Funding

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6y8dlhoMpo

Mod

Can you provide a summary or time segments that most back up your point(s).

As others have stated, it is asking a bit much to expect them to watch a 40 minute video. Expecting them to watch & discredit what he is claiming is not their job.

You posted it, up to you to prove why it back your views up.

enno99

He is pointing out the fact that Fauchi funded this type of research
messing with these particular viruses in the lab and its possible that it could of come from there
he also points out where some of the claims of being natural virus might not be as they say
Im no scientist so his explanations are easily understood

hope that helps

skip to @ 6 min before that is just daily data on numbers

ohnonotgmail

enno99 wrote: »

He is pointing out the fact that Fauchi funded this type of research
messing with these particular viruses in the lab and its possible that it could of come from there
he also points out where some of the claims of being natural virus might not be as they say
Im no scientist so his explanations are easily understood

hope that helps

fauci works for part of the NIH. It is their job to research viruses.

Ted_YNWA

enno99 wrote: »

He is pointing out the fact that Fauchi funded this type of research
messing with these particular viruses in the lab and its possible that it could of come from there
he also points out where some of the claims of being natural virus might not be as they say
Im no scientist so his explanations are easily understood

hope that helps

Can you point out where in the video he makes the claim it is not a natural virus. As you are saying his views are easy to understand, you have obviously watched it.

Just mentioning a couple of time stamps to jump to would give it more validity.

enno99

Ted_YNWA wrote: »

Can you point out where in the video he makes the claim it is not a natural virus. As you are saying his views are easy to understand, you have obviously watched it.

Just mentioning a couple of time stamps to jump to would give it more validity.

@36 min his conclusions


He dont make that claim

rtron

So the contact tracing App Launches here tomorrow, any thoughts?

enno99

EXCLUSIVE: New Evidence Confirms China Lied – Current Coronavirus is Not New and Was Identified Back in 2014


Now comes yet another stunning revelation. It was not in the freezer.

According to new information, Chinese scientists experimented with RaTG13 during 2017 and 2018.

The evidence clearly shows that, not only did China lie in a major way about origin of COVID-19, but that it is, without question, due to a man-made virus.

Lawrence Sellin, Ph.D. is a retired U.S. Army Reserve colonel, who previously worked at the U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases and conducted basic and clinical research in the pharmaceutical industry.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/07/exclusive-new-evidence-suggests-china-lied-source-coronavirus-not-man-made/

more coming out all the time