importing a folding pocket knife

transit260

hello folks ,is it possible to import a 5 inch bladed pocket knife from AG Knives in India would you reckon,ive a certain type i want and cant really find anything quiet like it at a reasonable price ,i am wondering if they might confiscate it or would it sail through ,is it even an issue ,im not able to find out ,im not really sure where to look,thanks in advance

cookimonster

Once it doesn't fall into the offensive weapons list you should be ok.
As far as I can see any form of 'Flick Knife' is illegal here. Blade operation via spring or lever assisted, operation via gravity or centrifugely all fall into the term 'Flick Knife'. This (as seen in various states in the US) can technically get you in bother with a simple Peasant style knife, for if you can by the fast rotation of your wrist and manipulation of your fingers snap open the blade then you are in possession of a dreaded 'Flick Knife'.

The list of offensive weapons inculde:

flick-knives, knuckledusters, swordsticks, sword umbrellas, hand and foot claws, belt buckle knives, pushdaggers, hollow kubotans, shurikens, butterfly knives, telescopic truncheons, blowpipes, kusari gama, kyoketsu shoge, manrikigusari, sap gloves, and machetes.
Katanas or 'samurai swords' are allowed but under controled excemptions.

I'm suprised the 'karambit' wasn't added.

I've bought various knives via the internet from the UK with no issue other than proving my age to the vender.

I would be more concerned with the quality of the knife from India as I have heard bad things about steel, tempering and fit and finish.

There's good quailty cheep knives coming out of China via the internet, usually clones of knives that cost more then they realy should.

aaakev

Shouldn't be a problem, if bought bigger blades online a good few times

Ubbquittious

Machetes are all completely illegal? I was wondering why twas so hard to find one

cookimonster

https://www.knivesandtools.ie/en/pt/-gerber-bear-grylls-machete-parang-incl-nylon-sheath.htm?gclid=Cj0KCQiA4sjyBRC5ARIsAEHsELFKf1tUoWAGSFo8MqQXvLL22aCda6pfcwuWk-we29Z820azME7uSYAaAkhJEALw_wcB

That's just the first hit I got back, countless other sites and venders!

Hmmm.... what does it say about machetes in the S.I. No. 338/2009 - Firearms and offensive Weapons Act 1990 (offensive Weapons) (Amendment) Order 2009

Thargor

cookimonster wrote: »

https://www.knivesandtools.ie/en/pt/-gerber-bear-grylls-machete-parang-incl-nylon-sheath.htm?gclid=Cj0KCQiA4sjyBRC5ARIsAEHsELFKf1tUoWAGSFo8MqQXvLL22aCda6pfcwuWk-we29Z820azME7uSYAaAkhJEALw_wcB

That's just the first hit I got back, countless other sites and venders!

Hmmm.... what does it say about machetes in the S.I. No. 338/2009 - Firearms and offensive Weapons Act 1990 (offensive Weapons) (Amendment) Order 2009

Always reminded of this video when I see those:

transit260

my mate in america has bought a lot of knives from AG Knives,their top quality with a fair price ,the knife i want is a bone/antler woodsman type knife ,very tame but a style i like ,hopefully i wont have a bother,is there a big knife shop in portlaoise ,a lad mentioned it to me tonight but he doesnt know where exactly it is

cookimonster

When you say AG Knives do you mean these guys in the USA

https://agrussell.com/knife/A-G-Russell-Sting-3-with-India-Stag--AGST-T3HS


Have a look at these guys in Kilkenny

https://kilkennyknifeandtool.com/shop/

transit260

agcutlery. Com, different to Russell's, thanks for the link that's the place my mate was on about

cookimonster

Just be weary, I was intrigued by the various blades and styles and obviously the prices, but it seemed too good to be true. A bit of reading around kind of broke the spell and I never purchased.

Here's just one discussion:

https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/why-is-pakistani-and-indian-damascus-of-poor-quality-how-do-we-know-this.807430/&ved=2ahUKEwiJx--uiOrnAhUzt3EKHSUEDLQQFjAPegQIBhAB&usg=AOvVaw0lBVfwWSl5KCEBYUJz_jU8

And then there is this...

https://youtu.be/UeeE9DyI52w

transit260

thanks cookimonster,my american mate does a lot of pig hunting and other forms of sport and hes had 5-6 knives from AG and says there top of the range and simple to sharpen(hes a carpenter lol)and has no issues with his purchases ,,ive passed the vids on you put up ,to him ,see what he thinks

Grizzly 45

Ubbquittious wrote: »

Machetes are all completely illegal? I was wondering why twas so hard to find one

But they are still available,just go to a farm supply and look for a "beet topper knife". Just as good.:rolleyes:
There is no definition of what a machete is as usual in the legislation.No blade length mentioned,no style or design features.so in fact a parang is quite legal here as it is not specifically mentioned,as is a Swiss "Zeih Gertl" or a US Brush hook. In fact we sell INHO a much better tool in Ireland than all of those quite freely,a simple slash or briar hook with a shorter handle trumps all that lot.

transit260

Adnan Goraya is the knife maker in India,he makes top class stuff ,just checked with my mate ,i might take a chance and see if i can get one in ..

Grizzly 45

cookimonster wrote: »

As far as I can see any form of 'Flick Knife' is illegal here. Blade operation via spring or lever assisted, operation via gravity or centrifugely all fall into the term 'Flick Knife'.

Nope!! Read exactly what the definition under the Irish law is what a flick knife is,and you will find a flipper or spring assisted opener does not fit in the definition.

This (as seen in various states in the US) can technically get you in bother with a simple Peasant style knife, for if you can by the fast rotation of your wrist and manipulation of your fingers snap open the blade then you are in possession of a dreaded 'Flick Knife'.

Yeah if you are in NYC, and possibly NY and NJ for some odd reason,and are for some reason being a dick to attract the attention of the boys in blue.

I'm suprised the 'karambit' wasn't added.

Because it was a virtual unknown here when this POS legislation was drafted.:rolleyes:

Cass

transit260 wrote: »

hello folks ,is it possible to import a 5 inch bladed pocket knife from AG Knives in India

Should be. I've imported some knives over the years and once its nothing illegal then its not an issue. Granted mine have always come from UK or Europe so outside of both shouldn't be too much different as long as it's not prohibited.

The law is aimed more towards people carrying knives and other pointed articles intended to do harm, than what you can have for colection or work/recreational purposes. IOW something legit.. As such an item may be legal to own, but cannot be in possessed in public (obviously without good reason or in the course of work). Flick-knives fall into this category. An offense to have in public but not outright illegal/banned.

Well thats my reading of section 9(2)(3)&(4).

(2) It shall be a defence for a person charged with an offence under subsection (1) to prove that he had good reason or lawful authority for having the article with him in a public place.

(3) Without prejudice to the generality of subsection (2), it shall be a defence for a person charged with an offence under subsection (1) to prove that he had the article with him for use at work or for a recreational purpose.

(4) Where a person, without lawful authority or reasonable excuse (the onus of proving which shall lie on him), has with him in any public place—

(a) any flick-knife, or.

cookimonster

Grizz, I thought my interpretation was quite concise based on the following ref:

(9) In this section “flick-knife” means a knife—

(a) which has a blade which opens when hand pressure is applied to a button, spring, lever or other device in or attached to the handle, or

(b) which has a blade which is released from the handle or sheath by the force of gravity or the application of centrifugal force and when released is locked in an open position by means of a button, spring, lever or other device.

So if you take my folder that has a liner lock and partically thumb open the blade while at the same time rapidly flicking or rotating my wrist the blade will open under centrifugal force and lock into place. A peasant knife could be deemed the same although there is no actual device to lock it in place, by design the rat tail on the blade rotates into the liners / handle and the blade is secured while in use.
On the other hand my French clasp knife cannot be opened in such a way and requires two hands to open it and in the same vain there is no locking mechanism or design to keep the blade in a true 'locked' postion when in use.

I belive the larger humble Openials complete with locking collar can be deemed to run a fowel of the UK knive laws as 'lock knife'.

Grizzly 45

cookimonster wrote: »

Grizz, I thought my interpretation was quite concise based on the following ref:

(9) In this section “flick-knife” means a knife—

(a) which has a blade which opens when hand pressure is applied to a button, spring, lever or other device in or attached to the handle, or

A flipper lock does not have anything of the above attached to the handle[my emphasis].It is a protrusion on the blade,which when you press on the stud opens the knife blade. Neither does a spring assisted opening knife.You have to literally open the blade over half the distance manually before the spring assistance takes over to speed up the process.Only thing that will be on the handle is the blade locking button.

(b) which has a blade which is released from the handle or sheath by the force of gravity or the application of centrifugal force and when released is locked in an open position by means of a button, spring, lever or other device.

More aimed at Balisongs[butterfly knives] gravity knives,or Out The Front [OTF] Switch blades than at the above.These were unknown designs in the 1990s when this was written

So if you take my folder that has a liner lock and partically thumb open the blade while at the same time rapidly flicking or rotating my wrist the blade will open under centrifugal force and lock into place

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Yeah,woulda,shoulda,coulda type arguments that we have all seen before and thrown out under the firearms act in court too. The arguement is.. Was it designed to do such from the word go??? IOW was it supposed to be opened like such in normal use? IOW take a normal lock knife like the Buck 110 design,and you can perform a one handed opening like that with prractise too.but its not designed to do such in everyday usage.

Now unless you happen to be going to NYC or living there for some strange reason,and you run into NYPD lads trying to up their arrest quota in Blombergs Socialist paradise,and you happen also to be of a darker skin hue than most of us here,while carrying such,that is the kind of arguement NYPD and the NY attorney have been using to claim there is a knife crime epidemic in NYC,by arresting folks with lock knives,claiming that they are automatic knives or switchblades,because you can do that manouvre.
You can do the same with a Stanley knife ,by loosening off the retaining screws,but it does not make them a automatic knife.

A peasant knife could be deemed the same although there is no actual device to lock it in place, by design the rat tail on the blade rotates into the liners / handle and the blade is secured while in use

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Sorry,whats a peasent knife???

n the other hand my French clasp knife cannot be opened in such a way and requires two hands to open it and in the same vain there is no locking mechanism or design to keep the blade in a true 'locked' postion when in use.

So can a swiss army knife,and then going by this legislation,the Hunter,Fishing,Marine and Rescue models are "automatic knives" as they have a blade locking mechanism too.:P

I belive the larger humble Openials complete with locking collar can be deemed to run a fowel of the UK knive laws as 'lock knife'

Well there is no accounting for stupidity in the UK with their laws on knives...:P A nation that has decided that if you round the tips of your kitchen knives people wont get stabbed with them.:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:.Be lucky to get the blade out of one of those French yokes in a hurry without a pliers once they get damp.They bind and lock the blade in its slot and even the ferrule refuses to rotate on the one I had.:o I'm sure they are some folks who have got one that can be opened one handed from usage,but again its the question of design...

Grizzly 45

As you can see from this definiotin of an "automatic knife","switchblade or "flick knife" from the CA penal code,which much has been taken and added into Irish law [without the definitions for some reason].Both the spring assisted and flipper lock do not qualify as any prohibited items either here or there,simply because their designs were made to be carried and sold in states that prohibit the sale,use and carry of switchblades.

a knife having the appearance of a pocketknife and includes a spring-blade knife, snap-blade knife,* gravity knife, or any other similar type knife, [B]the blade or blades of which are two or more inches in length and which can be released automatically by a flick of a button, pressure on the handle, flip of the wrist or other mechanical device, or is released by the weight of the blade or by any type of mechanism whatsoever. [/B]

“Switchblade knife” does not include a knife that opens with one hand utilizing thumb pressure applied solely to the blade of the knife or a thumb stud attached to the blade, provided that the knife has a detent or other mechanism that provides resistance that must be overcome in opening the blade, or that biases the blade back toward its closed position.”
https://hobanco.com/blogs/news/california-knife-laws

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=PEN&sectionNum=17235

* Snap blade knife,a Stanley type knife with the break off blades system.For those who didn't know!

cookimonster

https://youtu.be/Wgxcc04iGqM

Hmmm.... excuse the pun, but with the above video, we seem to be splitting hairs, the spring assist seems very 'flick knive-ess' to. Something similar to a knife I bought overseas in a US PX. It didn't come home with me.

A Peasant knife also known as a “traditional Peasant knife” or “old fashion Peasant knife” is a single blade pocket knife. These blades are made of carbon steel. The blade on the Peasant is an extended tang blade which allows for one hand opening.

https://youtu.be/VfmOOT7_yy8

Grizzly 45

cookimonster wrote: »

https://youtu.be/Wgxcc04iGqM

Hmmm.... excuse the pun, but with the above video, we seem to be splitting hairs, the spring assist seems very 'flick knive-ess' to. Something similar to a knife I bought overseas in a US PX. It didn't come home with me.

A Peasant knife also known as a “traditional Peasant knife” or “old fashion Peasant knife” is a single blade pocket knife. These blades are made of carbon steel. The blade on the Peasant is an extended tang blade which allows for one hand opening.

https://youtu.be/VfmOOT7_yy8

About the same as an M16 is to a AR15 TBH.
Might look like,handle like,but isn't

Ah so a peasent knife is what the Americans call a "swing blade".Good to know

transit260

Looking at two knives, one in Germany one in the USA, in your experience/opinion, do you think I'd be charged tax if I try get it in the post and could you say where you imported knives from, hassle free...

Cass

Was thinking back on this. Have you tried using a dealer or someone that already deals in knives to get it in for you. John in Kilkenny knife and tool seems a nice bloke and said he can get pretty much anything that is legal in. Might be useful, might not be, but a phone call is cheap and will answer it for you.

transit260

Cass wrote: »

Was thinking back on this. Have you tried using a dealer or someone that already deals in knives to get it in for you. John in Kilkenny knife and tool seems a nice bloke and said he can get pretty much anything that is legal in. Might be useful, might not be, but a phone call is cheap and will answer it for you.

was on to him 2 weeks ago,thanks..think im sorted .my mate in america has bought one for me and his workmates from Cork,hes home next month ,so hes throwing it in his case ....if the airports are open lol....only time will tell ...

Cass

Bummer dude. Seems like your mate won't be making it home with the travel ban. Or does it affect people entering the states only?

Grizzly 45

When is that travel ban coming into effect???Looking at flight radar 24,the atlantic airspace is still busy as evr,and yes, even Aer lingus and Brit airways is still flying Dub /JFK???

Cass

No idea. Some airlines have gotten waivers (God help me) and are still running limited flights. If the OPs mate is not back till next month then it could be fully implemented by then.

J.R.

transit260 wrote: »

could you say where you imported knives from, hassle free...

I have bought a number of knives here - no hassle whatsoever.

On the top right hand side of site click the arrow down to change flag from UK to Euro flag.
You see the prices in euros then. All you have to pay extra on top of the cost of the knives is postage which is usually €8.50.
I placed order for items for myself and a few other lads in the club so it was €2 each postage.

https://www.heinnie.com/knives-and-tools

transit260

Cass wrote: »

Bummer dude. Seems like your mate won't be making it home with the travel ban. Or does it affect people entering the states only?

i think ALL flights are suspended ,only localised flights with in the states was the order of the day but that aint happening now either

transit260

J.R. wrote: »

I have bought a number of knives here - no hassle whatsoever.

On the top right hand side of site click the arrow down to change flag from UK to Euro flag.
You see the prices in euros then. All you have to pay extra on top of the cost of the knives is postage which is usually €8.50.
I placed order for items for myself and a few other lads in the club so it was €2 each postage.

https://www.heinnie.com/knives-and-tools

i think my mate has one bought and holding for me ,to pass to a local lad that was supposed to come home ,i will know more as time goes on thanks ,,,

Grizzly 45

transit260 wrote: »

i think ALL flights are suspended ,only localised flights with in the states was the order of the day but that aint happening now either

FACT!!! The East and West seaboards are as busy as ever with local,national and INTL flights.:eek: