Coronavirus Part II - Its arrived - We're Doomed!!! See OP for Mod warnings

SeaBreezes

Strazdas wrote: »

But if you started cancelling football matches and music concerts etc, you'd end up having to cancel everything : cinemas, restaurants, offices, colleges, schools, public transport, you name it (that would be a quite insane overreaction).

It would save lives. It is what the infectious disease experts are telling us to do. And you call it insane...

Professor Moriarty

ixoy wrote: »

Good in theory, impossible on packed public transport.

Indeed. But if possible, it's what you should do.

Strazdas

SeaBreezes wrote: »

I'm with you there.

Worse, the expert in the field Bruce Aylesward pretty much told us we are no way near as prepped as China and fatalities will be worse here.
And no ones listening.

He called it a War. He knows his stuff, and we have idiots telling people it's ok to travel.. pharmacists on TV (and I didn't see this my mum filled me in there was a lady pharmacist asked if travel is ok and they replied it's ok stay travelling .. wtf?

If we don't listen to the experts in the field.well ... tough to us.

Worse than what?? Only a few hundred people have died in China and it has a population of 1.5 billion people.

ceadaoin.

In fairness, trump did implement travel restrictions fairly quickly. Isnt that what everyone on here wants ireland to do? As the guy just said there, it bought the US some time to prepare.

(To be clear, not a trump fan but you have to give credit where it's due sometimes!)

Hector Savage

ceadaoin. wrote: »

In fairness, trump did implement travel restrictions fairly quickly. Isnt that what everyone on here wants ireland to do? As the guy just said there, it bought the US some time to prepare.

(To be clear, not a trump fan!)

Yes but the mentally ill pussy hat wearing brigade can't acknowledge anything positive by ORANGE MAN BAD!!

Strazdas

SeaBreezes wrote: »

It would save lives. It is what the infectious disease experts are telling us to do. And you call it insane...

The virus could last for six to 12 months. Shutting down a country for a year is not a runner. You wouldn't do that even if 20,000 Irish people had the Ebola virus.

wakka12

https://mobile.twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1232813173062934529
First case in the US with no known links to infected persons or travel history to areas where it is active

Crazy that this is all happening so quickly and all over the world in just the last 3-4 days and then it was completely confined to china for like 8 weeks prior

Charles Babbage

Strazdas wrote: »

But if you started cancelling football matches and music concerts etc, you'd end up having to cancel everything : cinemas, restaurants, offices, colleges, schools, public transport, you name it (that would be a quite insane overreaction).

You might think it an overreaction, but some measure is needed to reduce spread so that hospitals do not become overwhelmed. If you have a situation where ill people cannot go to hospital then the death rate would quadruple as it has in Wuhan.

No doubt you think that you will not be one of the people do die.

Drumpot

Strazdas wrote: »

The virus could last for six to 12 months. Shutting down a country for a year is not a runner. You wouldn't do that even if 20,000 Irish people had the Ebola virus.

This presidential address is a preparation for the Americans. It’s trying to normalize what’s coming, showing there is a plan and taking the lead. This is what people want and need from their leaders

BLIZZARD7

Strazdas wrote: »

The virus could last for six to 12 months. Shutting down a country for a year is not a runner. You wouldn't do that even if 20,000 Irish people had the Ebola virus.

Not really relevant to this thread but-

If 20k Irish people had Ebola the country would absolutely shut down until we had it under control, no country would allow a flight to land from here.

Strazdas

Charles Babbage wrote: »

You might think it an overreaction, but some measure is needed to reduce spread so that hospitals do not become overwhelmed. If you have a situation where ill people cannot go to hospital then the death rate would quadruple as it has in Wuhan.


What do you suggest?

But there's no Coronavirus in Ireland so far and no particular reason to believe (at the moment) it's about to become a pandemic here.

PhantomHat

Drumpot wrote: »

This presidential address is a preparation for the Americans. It’s trying to normalize what’s coming, showing there is a plan and taking the lead. This is what people want and need from their leaders

Wheres Leo? Gone to bed hours ago in his little jimmy jams

SeaBreezes

Strazdas wrote: »

Worse than what?? Only a few hundred people have died in China and it has a population of 1.5 billion people.

We are about to find out ..

wakka12

Strazdas wrote: »

But there's no Coronavirus in Ireland so far and no particular reason to believe (at the moment) it's about to become a pandemic here.

There is reason to believe it will become a pandemic everywhere because of infectious it is

scotchy

https://bnonews.com/index.php/2020/02/the-latest-coronavirus-cases/
California reports 1 new case
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gozunda

Strazdas wrote: »

Worse than what?? Only a few hundred people have died in China and it has a population of 1.5 billion people.

Incorrect. As of the 25th of February - there have been 2,716 deaths among 78,073 cases in mailand China. Many sources believe there figures to be much higher. The epidemic is still spreading in China as in other countries worldwide...

By contrast the other two most recent outbreaks of SARS caused 774 deaths and MERS caused 858 deaths

dublinman1990

Michael Bloomberg has just said on CNN Democratic Town Hall that the U.S. CDC is nowhere near ready to get proper action done on containing the Coronavirus. He says that Trump's administration had cut funding from CDC to have the experts on standby to carry out their work on attempting to contain the virus. He said he was in favour of Mike Pence to be charge of the response to Coronavirus however this decision being made tonight is being noted with caution.

kenmc

PhantomHat wrote: »

Wheres Leo? Gone to bed hours ago in his little jimmy jams

Don't forget the bed socks...

Call Me Jimmy

Strazdas wrote: »

But if you started cancelling football matches and music concerts etc, you'd end up having to cancel everything : cinemas, restaurants, offices, colleges, schools, public transport, you name it.

Yes. One to watch at the moment is South Korea because they have been trying to maintain the position that they won't do mass shutdowns. But they've already gone past the point of having a choice even before they reached 1000.

Any country that gets a couple hundred cases will shut down huge areas until we have robust data on the virus.

SeaBreezes

Strazdas wrote: »

The virus could last for six to 12 months. Shutting down a country for a year is not a runner. You wouldn't do that even if 20,000 Irish people had the Ebola virus.

Wuhan has 11 million people sitting in their apartments for over 6 weeks now.
And we are now where they were 6 weeks ago. With less experience, less medical personnel, less equipment and a belief it's economy above all.

You can't stop a virus, but you can slow it down. Give the people who need the medical resources time to get help. Before the next wave comes.

The experts are warning us but the ostriches can't hear..

Strazdas

wakka12 wrote: »

There is reason to believe it will become a pandemic everywhere because of infectious it is

In many cases, it spread because those infected had taken absolutely no precautions and weren't even aware of the risk of infection.

Charles Babbage

Strazdas wrote: »

But there's no Coronavirus in Ireland so far and no particular reason to believe (at the moment) it's about to become a pandemic here.

Given the numbers elsewhere in Europe then it is probable that someone has it. If a person has it and doesn't know or doesn't care, then will others not get it?

saabsaab

ixoy wrote: »

Good in theory, impossible on packed public transport.

Probably time to wear gloves and cover your face. Would a viral disinfectant aerosol spray on carriages help too?

wakka12

Strazdas wrote: »

In many cases, it spread because those infected had taken absolutely no precautions and weren't even aware of the risk of infection.

And there is no precautions being taken here either at all , so a pandemic is expected. Not that I really think there is much that can be done, it's a waste of time and resources really, when China goes back to work and normal life a large epidemic will occur again, its just delaying the inevitable

Strazdas

wakka12 wrote: »

And there is no precautions being taken here either at all , so a pandemic is expected. Not that I really think there is much that can be done, it's a waste of time and resources really, when China goes back to work and normal life a large epidemic will occur again, its just delaying the inevitable

No Irish medical expert has made such a prediction. They have said individual cases may well show up here but that's a long, long way from thousands or hundreds of thousands of Irish people having the virus.

antodeco

How do we know this virus hasn't existed for a much longer time and loads already had it? The fact that Wuhan had a massive jump in numbers generated the reason to test people. If that didn't happen, loads could have it and it'd just be Avery bad flu (I know it's not). If we tested people 6 months ago, people could've already had it.

fr336

The irony of some people not wanting to shut down even tiny, miniscule parts of the economy for a few days or weeks is that if you end up with the worst case scenario - I've seen very worst estimate of 500k deaths in UK by government planners (who plan for everything in this way including war so it really is worst case) - how do you think the economy will be with that level of death, cases and chaos?

As we've seen with China, if we don't get a handle on this immediately the economy will be a huge casualty too. Recession. Who knows, maybe depression?

bodhrandude

I find it strange too that Thailand has remained at a static 35 infected, maybe they're doing a media blackout too to keep the tourists coming in.

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Strazdas wrote: »

No Irish medical expert has made such a prediction. They have said individual cases may well show up here but that's a long, long way from thousands or hundreds of thousands of Irish people having the virus.

Phew, thanks for confirming that. I'm completely 100% convinced now thanks to you.

fr336

Strazdas wrote: »

In many cases, it spread because those infected had taken absolutely no precautions and weren't even aware of the risk of infection.

What cases are these?