Coronavirus Part II - Its arrived - We're Doomed!!! See OP for Mod warnings

Kermit.de.frog

Cupatae wrote: »

https://www.facebook.com/valbona.ajdari/videos/pcb.10221933658916589/10221933658156570/?type=3&theater[/URL]

The greenwheely bin at the end of that made me laugh cause of an earlier post

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

One poster suggested locking yourself (somehow) in a green wheelie bin which would appear to have some merit.

lol indeed, merit in that case. They wouldn't have found him if the advice had been followed

BanditLuke

Phil.x wrote: »

Close all airport's and ports to passengers for 2 months.

It's too late for that now.

Signore Fancy Pants

leavingirl wrote: »

Don't believe anything the WHO says. Their history in relation to SARs, ZIKA etc. has been nothing but lies and scientific fraud.

So who do we listen to?

DeanAustin

tom1ie wrote: »

Sorry your wrong:
As of 20 February, 2,114 of the 55,924 laboratory confirmed cases have died (crude fatality ratio [CFR: 3.8%) (note: at least some of whom were identified using a case definition that included pulmonary disease).

That’s for Wuhan.

We don’t yet know how dangerous Covid-19 is, and we won’t know until more data comes in. The mortality rate seems to be about 2%. For comparison, seasonal flu typically has a mortality rate below 1% and is thought to cause about 400,000 deaths each year globally. Sars had a death rate of more than 10%.

That’s from the guardian article about a week old before the Iran death spike.

No need to apologise. From a Guardian article this evening, the mortality rate in Wuhan is around 2% and lower elsewhere (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/29/what-is-coronavirus-what-should-i-do-symptoms). That's at the epicentre of the outbreak.

gabeeg

Duke of Url wrote: »

Yep. People were told to not leave there apartments. Food was getting delivered to the apartment doors. Tape was stuck to the outside of the doors. If the tape was disturbed then they know people were breaking quarantine. They were given multiple warnings. Like a 3 strike rule. This is what happens when you keep breaking quarantine.

Don't threaten me

Ipso

Signore Fancy Pants wrote: »

So who do we listen to?

Gwyneth Paltrow. A minge egg might do the trick.

tom1ie

DeanAustin wrote: »

No need to apologise. From a Guardian article this evening, the mortality rate in Wuhan is around 2% and lower elsewhere (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/29/what-is-coronavirus-what-should-i-do-symptoms). That's at the epicentre of the outbreak.

That’s what I originally said and you said I was wrong!!
Don’t wanna argue with a fellow spurs supporter!

DeanAustin

Signore Fancy Pants wrote: »

Have you not heard the recent interviews by healthcare professionals who state that we do not have the resources to isolate more than a handful of people simultaneously?

Doesnt sound like weeks of planning to me.

Criticism of the HSE is valid.

It would be a dereliction of duty if they weren't planning for it for the last number of weeks. That doesn't mean they can contain an outbreak or stop the spread.

If anyone seriously thinks they were sitting around pretending there was no coronavirus for the last few weeks, they need to take off the tinfoil hat.

smelly sock

You'd have to think it best to shut work places amd schools now to contain this thing.

namloc1980

Phil.x wrote: »

Close all airport's and ports to passengers for 2 months.

Yes that'll work? It's here already!

bodhrandude

fritzelly wrote: »

Is that supposed to be an update to their briefing an hour ago?
They've literally said nothing different

No not the current story someone asked for the RTE link to the first Irish coronavirus case.

ITman88

surfwaterfords wrote: »

We are looking at the potential of 106,085 dead in Ireland (1.5% of the population) with 283,710 people critically ill needing assisted breathing to stay alive, many of which might have life long effects after the virus is gone!

Coronavirus cases worldwide: 86,023 | Deaths: 2,942 | Critical 7,868 (taken from here: worldmeters dot info coronavirus)
Assumption 10% of critical are going to die.

Puts death rate at 4.33%

70% expecteded to catch the virus according to theatlantic dot com article if you Google (I wasn't allowed post a link as a new user).

Island of Ireland has apprx 7,000,000 people living on it.

That means 4,900,000 people catch the virus.

Lets assume 50% of cases are actually so mild they are not caught in the numbers above but assume all deaths are captured.

We are then talking about 106,085 dead or 1.5% of the population?

I don’t mind you having a drink but less of the silly talk

the butcher

There is no doubt there are other unconfirmed cases still going around unaware they have it.

I still haven't seen an answer to this question - how many tests are we doing with people suspected? Just the one? Because other countries reporting positive cases confirmed only after the second/third or even fourth test.

all about the mane

smelly sock wrote: »

You'd have to think it best to shut work places amd schools now to contain this thing.

All of them?

Spanish Eyes

The sad thing is that the people in HSE making these decisions will never have to encounter a Covid patient ever.

Easy to spout from the sidelines.

I wish all frontline and surgical and emergency staff the very best and hope beyond hope that they are well looked after. They deserve it so much.

tom1ie

the butcher wrote: »

There is no doubt there are other unconfirmed cases still going around unaware they have it.

I still haven't seen an answer to this question - how many tests are we doing with people suspected? Just the one? Because other countries reporting positive cases confirmed only after the second/third or even fourth test.

This.

antodeco

DeanAustin wrote: »

It would be a dereliction of duty if they weren't planning for it for the last number of weeks. That doesn't mean they can contain an outbreak or stop the spread.

If anyone seriously thinks they were sitting around pretending there was no coronavirus for the last few weeks, they need to take off the tinfoil hat.

As someone said earlier, with how the cervical check went, I'd be hesitant to put my full faith into the HSE

ThePopehimself

Phil.x wrote: »

Close all airport's and ports to passengers for 2 months.

The Popehimself 24-02-2020, 13:42 #9641
"...and how many more Taxi's are driving around having had similar passengers today...

The 13:22 Milan to Dublin EI433 just landed at Terminal 2 Dublin Airport
And the 15:40 Dublin to Milan EI 436 is due to depart this afternoon bang on schedule…
There are people travelling back and forth to South Korea from Dublin and Shannon...and so it goes.

Our stable doors have been left wide open."
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I'm so p!ssed off right now...no one would listen.

DeanAustin

tom1ie wrote: »

That’s what I originally said and you said I was wrong!!
Don’t wanna argue with a fellow spurs supporter!

You said the death rate is 2%-3%. The lowest end of that range is the death rate at the epicentre of the outbreak and widely accepted to be an inflated number.

But you're right, we have enough problems supporting Spurs than to be arguing about coronavirus...

fritzelly

surfwaterfords wrote: »

We are looking at the potential of 106,085 dead in Ireland...

If you are gonna quote and forecast figures at least use real figures and not made up ones

gmisk

smelly sock wrote: »

You'd have to think it best to shut work places amd schools now to contain this thing.

That isn't going to happen
It hasn't happened anywhere else, especially not after 1 case.

all about the mane

tom1ie wrote: »

I though we only had 5mill. Is that 7 mill north aswell?

70% catching this thing is ridiculous

the butcher

skimpydoo

namloc1980 wrote: »

Loving the "east of the country" description. It's like if they don't give any more details it'll be grand.

I am now picturing an episode of Father Ted and how long will it be before Simon Harris focks of to Angola?

daheff

smelly sock wrote: »

You'd have to think it best to shut work places amd schools now to contain this thing.

so have HSE traced the people on the plane on which this person travelled? They are going to be a risk too. We'll probably see a sudden cluster of people now in East of the country. Even that would test the HSE's capabilities.


Surely now Italy should be shutting its airports (or at least we should stop people travelling here from Italy or anywhere that has confirmed cases)?

Kermit.de.frog

tom1ie

DeanAustin wrote: »

You said the death rate is 2%-3%. The lowest end of that range is the death rate at the epicentre of the outbreak and widely accepted to be an inflated number.

But you're right, we have enough problems supporting Spurs than to be arguing about coronavirus...

Well I’m not sure if it’s widely accepted in fact I’d argue people are saying that numbers suppressed. But I will agree spurs are enough to be worrying about at the minute.

tom1ie

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Starting to look like South Korea?

BanditLuke

You have to feel sorry for the residents and staff of this nursing home. Iv'e a real fear we are going to see these scenes repeating a fair bit over the next while

https://twitter.com/inteldotwav/status/1233884986488623106

Kermit.de.frog

Tootsie_1

i honestly don't know how hospitals will cope with anyone needing Intensive care theres no beds no room, the Icu's in our hospitals are tiny and probably already at capacity and then where do the staff come from already under staffed to look after the patients they have at the moment. I had a relative in St James recently there were 2 nurses for a whole ward for the night shift thats a ward of at least 30 beds they forgot to give my relative meds on several occasions as they just couldn't cope its a shambles on an average day. And thats a mild story I have heard waaay worse.

fritzelly

daheff wrote: »

so have HSE traced the people on the plane on which this person travelled? They are going to be a risk too. We'll probably see a sudden cluster of people now in East of the country. Even that would test the HSE's capabilities.


Surely now Italy should be shutting its airports (or at least we should stop people travelling here from Italy or anywhere that has confirmed cases)?

Very good chance he wasn't even contagious on the plane - maybe he was over there a week, caught it mid hols. Be a while before he was even able to spread the virus. Bigger concern would be people he's associated with back in Ireland

tom1ie

fritzelly wrote: »

Very good chance he wasn't even contagious on the plane - maybe he was over there a week, caught it mid hols. Be a while before he was even able to spread the virus. Bigger concern would be people he's associated with back in Ireland

? He would be contagious without showing symptoms not the other way round.
That’s a fact that has been observed.

BanditLuke

The HSE and government seem to be more interested in appealing for people to remain calm instead of doing all they can to avert this crisis. Here's a crazy thought, people would be a lot calmer if they had put a stop on flights coming in from a known virus hotspot a few days ago.

Beasty

DeanAustin wrote: »

But you're right, we have enough problems supporting Spurs than to be arguing about coronavirus...

If you had the choice which would rather you have - coronavirus or Jose Mourinho?


:pac:

antodeco

fritzelly wrote: »

Very good chance he wasn't even contagious on the plane - maybe he was over there a week, caught it mid hols. Be a while before he was even able to spread the virus. Bigger concern would be people he's associated with back in Ireland

Do we even know if he's Irish or Italian or another nationality?

fritzelly

tom1ie wrote: »

? He would be contagious without showing symptoms not the other way round.
That’s a fact that has been observed.

You don't suddenly become contagious after you get infected - probably more likely caught it in the airport than walking around outside in Italy

Cupatae

Tootsie_1 wrote: »

i honestly don't know how hospitals will cope with anyone needing Intensive care theres no beds no room, the Icu's in our hospitals are tiny and probably already at capacity and then where do the staff come from already under staffed to look after the patients they have at the moment. I had a relative in St James recently there were 2 nurses for a whole ward for the night shift thats a ward of at least 30 beds they forgot to give my relative meds on several occasions as they just couldn't cope its a shambles on an average day. And thats a mild story I have heard waaay worse.

We ve known that for years and we havent sorted it, it was only a matter of time before something like this finishes the job, as a country we cant really complain we have let this happen.

ILoveYourVibes

They should cancel travel or put people into quarantine before hand.

fr336

What % of the cases globally are still those who have come from affected outbreak areas or their close relatives, friends, business associates? Obviously this isn't good, but if you're not up close with a carrier and just a passing member of the public are your chances of catching greatly reduced still? This all assumes there isn't a big cluster.

Nickla

fritzelly wrote: »

I'd say over 300

I’d say less than 100 posts only... cut out all the ****e talk and bickering ..

Cupatae

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

They should cancel travel or put people into quarantine before hand.

The horse has well and truly bolted on that im afraid no point stopping travel now shur its already nearly global

tom1ie

all about the mane wrote: »

70% catching this thing is ridiculous

I didn’t state that?

Signore Fancy Pants

DeanAustin wrote: »

It would be a dereliction of duty if they weren't planning for it for the last number of weeks. That doesn't mean they can contain an outbreak or stop the spread.

If anyone seriously thinks they were sitting around pretending there was no coronavirus for the last few weeks, they need to take off the tinfoil hat.

Youre being ridiculous.

I don't doubt they were planning but it's very obvious (based on interviews from the professionals) that their capacity to execute their plans will be far from sufficient.

Jack Lambert, a specialist in infectious diseases at The Mater Hospital and UCD has stated that 20% of people who contract Covid-19 will become very sick and will need to be in ICU with up to an expected 4% mortality rate.

According to the experts, we don't have the requisite facilities to properly follow infectious disease protocols in the event of an outbreak.

Its not my opinion.

Take from that what you will.

skimpydoo

daheff wrote: »

Surely now Italy should be shutting its airports (or at least we should stop people travelling here from Italy or anywhere that has confirmed cases)?

That would mean most of Europe for starters.

Tootsie_1

Cupatae wrote: »

We ve known that for years and we havent sorted it, it was only a matter of time before something like this finishes the job, as a country we cant really complain we have let this happen.

Very true I can never understand why the Irish are so passive (me included), the French now they know how to take a stand and protest and let the government know they wont take it but us we just carry on.

cameramonkey

antodeco wrote: »

Do we even know if he's Irish or Italian or another nationality?

We do know, he is Irish,Italian or some other nationality.

Cupatae

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

lol indeed, merit in that case. They wouldn't have found him if the advice had been followed

Id have turned off the internet if they put him in the wheely bin :D

amadangomor

Cupatae wrote: »

We ve known that for years and we havent sorted it, it was only a matter of time before something like this finishes the job, as a country we cant really complain we have let this happen.

We have one of the best health systems in the world despite obvious weaknesses at certain times, stop moaning.

Cilldara_2000

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Can you link to the site these graphs are on, please? Not disputing them, just want to have a look myself.