Coronavirus Part II - Its arrived - We're Doomed!!! See OP for Mod warnings

ITman88

SeaBreezes wrote: »

I'm laughing at the concern for the economy shown here.
That's about as ostrich as it gets. The world economy is in free fall.
There is NO way out of the global recession that's coming.
And oddly the countries that manage the virus best will be first off their knees after.
At the moment that's looking like China.

If your economic predictions are correct, the least of your worries is the virus

Quantum Erasure

cnocbui wrote: »

Has the principal named the student? If not, pack it in.

G. D. P. R.

Titclamp

Does anyone believe this came from some clown eating bats?

ITman88

SeaBreezes wrote: »

I'm laughing at the concern for the economy shown here.
That's about as ostrich as it gets. The world economy is in free fall.
There is NO way out of the global recession that's coming.
And oddly the countries that manage the virus best will be first off their knees after.
At the moment that's looking like China.

If your economic predictions are correct, the least of your worries is the virus

Blueshoe

Titclamp wrote: »

Does anyone believe this came from some clown eating bats?

Yes. There are many varieties of Corona virus. Many are spread from animals to humans. This one no different.

Do you have an alternative theory?

Peatys

Titclamp wrote: »

Does anyone believe this came from some clown eating bats?

Where do you think it started titclamp?

blanch152

timmyntc wrote: »

If you don't test them at all because of their no obvious link to a previous case - you risk a priority case getting loose too.

The HSE advice should be to self isolate if you have symptoms - regardless of who you've been in contact with and where you've been. As we come into summer, there will be much less regular flu also so a much higher certainty that symptoms are coronavirus.

Managing risk is one of the most misunderstood concepts not just in corporate governance but also in everyday life.

For a start, managing risk does not mean eliminating risk. Secondly, the effort involved and the cost of mitigation must be measured against the likelihood and severity of an adverse outcome. Thirdly, the balance of risks must also be considered.

In this situation, imagine if you devote the entirety of the State's blood testing and CT testing resources to checking widely whether anyone has coronavirus. If you do, you can be 100% certain that people will die in our hospitals from other conditions because there are no testing resources available. That could well be more than the total number of people who ever die in Ireland from coronavirus. If you don't there is the possibility that you might miss someone who might sometime have come in contact with the corona virus.

Those are the choices that the experts have to make. They know the capacity of the testing systems. They know the course of this disease. They know how many people will die because testing systems are devoted to the corona virus instead of something else. They then have to weigh all of this up and come to the correct decision in managing all of the risks.

ITman88

Titclamp wrote: »

Does anyone believe this came from some clown eating bats?

Yes without doubt, most of the comments on this thread are made by clowns eating bats

Ninthlife

Titclamp wrote: »

Does anyone believe this came from some clown eating bats?

Cant tell you to be honest due to GDPR

Clowns have rights too

MadYaker

SeaBreezes wrote: »

I'm laughing at the concern for the economy shown here.
That's about as ostrich as it gets. The world economy is in free fall.
There is NO way out of the global recession that's coming.
And oddly the countries that manage the virus best will be first off their knees after.
At the moment that's looking like China.

Just highlighting this so we can come back to it in a few weeks and laugh.

Snow Garden

Babooshka wrote: »

Can everyone stop quoting the flier please it's a waste of space, thanks.

Do you honestly believe this new coronavirus will kill more people than the flu in 2020? Simple question. Hand on heart now, I am truly curious.

whisky_galore

Titclamp wrote: »

Does anyone believe this came from some clown eating bats?

Leave Ozzy alone.

Titclamp

Blueshoe wrote: »

Yes. There are many varieties of Corona virus. Many are spread from animals to humans. This one no different.

Do you have an alternative theory?

Then why can't China be sued for causing this?

Why should the world suffer cause of people munching on bats

schmoo2k

whisky_galore wrote: »

Leave Ozzy alone.

He didn't swallow - just sayin'

Titclamp

whisky_galore wrote: »

Leave Ozzy alone.

Great example hahaha

The Nal

All the flights at John Lennon Airport have been grounded.

Imagine all the people.

gabeeg

blanch152 wrote: »

Managing risk is one of the most misunderstood concepts not just in corporate governance but also in everyday life.

For a start, managing risk does not mean eliminating risk. Secondly, the effort involved and the cost of mitigation must be measured against the likelihood and severity of an adverse outcome. Thirdly, the balance of risks must also be considered.

In this situation, imagine if you devote the entirety of the State's blood testing and CT testing resources to checking widely whether anyone has coronavirus. If you do, you can be 100% certain that people will die in our hospitals from other conditions because there are no testing resources available. That could well be more than the total number of people who ever die in Ireland from coronavirus. If you don't there is the possibility that you might miss someone who might sometime have come in contact with the corona virus.

Those are the choices that the experts have to make. They know the capacity of the testing systems. They know the course of this disease. They know how many people will die because testing systems are devoted to the corona virus instead of something else. They then have to weigh all of this up and come to the correct decision in managing all of the risks.

Well right now they have no idea if we have any cases in the country and they've said they're going to dramatically ramp up testing, which suggests they got the balance wrong.

mirrorwall14

Got the second one alright and eventually found the other. Thanks. Doesn’t inspire confidence in their chain considering their choice of comparisons

solidasarock

Titclamp wrote: »

Does anyone believe this came from some clown eating bats?

At this stage I dont think we will ever know for sure. Could have just been a person that got bit / scratched by a bat or other infected animal.

Heck, Patient Zero ebola outbreak a few years ago was just a child who was playing near a tree with bats in it.

I see sheep

Paandemic, got that paandemic

celt262

Snow Garden wrote: »

Do you honestly believe this new coronavirus will kill more people than the flu in 2020? Simple question. Hand on heart now, I am truly curious.

The Flu is normally a winter thing we don't know enough about the coronavirus If it is still around in 8 or 10 months i'd say there is a good chance that it will.

blanch152

gabeeg wrote: »

Well right now they have no idea if we have any cases in the country and they've said they're going to dramatically ramp up testing, which suggests they got the balance wrong.

Right now they have just got the first confirmation that a confirmed case travelled through Ireland, which changes the balance of the risks and which justified increasing testing.

Most people don't understand risk management.

PhantomHat

Titclamp wrote: »

Does anyone believe this came from some clown eating bats?

No not really. It's just a convenient story IMO. Its very likely it was an accidental escape from the Wuhan Virus Lab. Allegedly some of the original sick individuals had no ties with the wet market in question. Obviously China will not divulge any more information than it has too. It's a very guarded totalitarian communist regime. After all and above all else it has an economy which it wants to protect

blanch152

Titclamp wrote: »

Then why can't China be sued for causing this?

Why should the world suffer cause of people munching on bats

International law doesn't provide for it. Simple as.

BLIZZARD7

MadYaker wrote: »

Just highlighting this so we can come back to it in a few weeks and laugh.

It's not that outlandish at all. The global economy is at the end of an unprecedented run of growth, something like this will likely be the trigger for the next collapse. Whether or not it's this remains to be seen but we are going through the worst week on the stock markets since October 2008. Add the fact the major central banks have been printing money and had quantitative easing in place for the past decade then it's a recipe for disaster.

Anywaay back to the virus - I see france and Spain are popping up with new cases in new regions every few hours. I'd expect them to look like Italy does now by the end of the weekend/early next week.

Also bats carry lots of coronaviruses so I wouldn't think that's an unlikely source^

Peatys

Titclamp wrote: »

Great example hahaha

Titclamp, where do you think it started?

Plumbthedepths

PhantomHat wrote: »

No not really. It's just a convenient story IMO. Its very likely it was an accidental escape from the Wuhan Virus Lab. Allegedly some of the original sick individuals had no ties with the wet market in question. Obviously China will not divulge any more information than it has too. It's a very guarded totalitarian communist regime. After all and above all else it has an economy which it wants to protect

'TinfoilHat' user name already taken ?

gabeeg

blanch152 wrote: »

Right now they have just got the first confirmation that a confirmed case travelled through Ireland, which changes the balance of the risks and which justified increasing testing.

Most people don't understand risk management.

They stated they were going to ramp up prior to that NI case being discovered.

I don't pretend to be an expert on risk management, but if we're doing far fewer tests than other countries on a per capita basis, then it suggests that we are erring on the side of risky.

Quantum Erasure

Titclamp wrote: »

Does anyone believe this came from some clown eating bats?

clown-eating bats?

clown-eating bats?

silverharp

blanch152 wrote: »

International law doesn't provide for it. Simple as.

Its a feature of Communism to cover up situations like this until they get out of control. The globe should start decoupling from China until they get rid of their system.