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SEPT 23 1989

babybuilder wrote: »

Was talking to an experienced front line nurse. They have had no guidance or instructions on a potential outbreak in Ireland.

There will be a lengthy enquiry in the aftermath

System failure

Nobody will be found guilty

MD1990

https://twitter.com/RTE_PrimeTime/status/1232427454662348800

He says we don't have huge evidence asymptomatic transmission is occuring.

It has been confirmed that it is occurring https://www.sciencealert.com/researchers-confirmed-patients-can-transmit-the-coronavirus-without-showing-symptoms

What a disgrace people coming back from affected area's should be in qurantine for up to now at least 21 days maybe 30 if they are coming from an affected doesnt't matter if they are not showing any symptoms

Ficheall

joe_99 wrote: »

The CDC is a trusted body in my eyes

You didn't take the data from the CDC, you took it from some idiots (I don't care that it was supposedly "fact checked" by an MD) who misunderstood the CDC data.

babybuilder

igCorcaigh wrote: »

Really? I bet a lot of front line workers must be concerned.

Yes they are. And this person has nothing but contempt for the HSE apparatchiks including the man at the helm. And as usual you get the FG/FF cheerleaders spouting that there's nothing to worry about.

Not in Kansas

Sorry if I've missed this info already, but does anyone know is there a likely/probable way that viruses behave the further away from the epicentre they get? Do we know if, as they mutate, they are more likely to mutate for the better or for the worse?

joe_99

Ficheall wrote: »

You completely misrepresented the data, though.


If you can't understand it, it might be best not to post it.

I didn't misrepresent it. The article I quoted did.

gmisk

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

Dazzler, assuming the death rate is at your upper limit of 1%, how many times more deadly is that then the flu? I know a vaccine would bring it down further.

Widely quoted that flu fatility rate in US is 0.1%
So if 1 percent...10 times more deadly
If 2 percent...20 times more deadly

skimpydoo

Elessar wrote: »

From the Guardian:


People need to take a chill pill

As someone with cancer which has compromised my immune system, why the f*ck should I take a chill pill.

froog

joe_99 wrote: »

I presented data from CDC. I made no comment on it.

you said "At least 6.8 percent of people who developed the flu during the 2019–2020 flu season in the United States have died"

which is completely false.

what you should have said was;

"at least 6.8 percent of people who developed both the flu and pneumonia during this particular week in the United States have died"

i don't expect you to understand the difference though so don't worry about it.

Dotsie~tmp

We need a drinking game. Every time someone uses CDC in their post. Down a shot. They way we are arguing the fúcking drink will get us before the bastárd kung-flu.

joe_99

CDC article. Interesting reading. Might help frame debate.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/#S2

Better?

gmisk

joe_99 wrote: »

I didn't misrepresent it. The article I quoted did.

Honestly stop digging....you did.
You also quoted it...at least admit it.

Knex*

You would think testing and quarantining people arriving from affected areas would be an immediate and obvious action.

We're days, if not weeks, too late even if we start this tomorrow.

The people in charge have basically put their hands up and just said, "nothing we can do here, best of luck".

Its a bit mad. Hard not to label it gross negligence tbh.

The dice has effectively been rolled on our health, and we're a couple of weeks away from seeing where it lands.

Sean 18

It's crazy that these kids back from the ski trip are not quarantined how many other kids are they going to be meeting parents etc

Call Me Jimmy

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

Dazzler, assuming the death rate is at your upper limit of 1%, how many times more deadly is that then the flu? I know a vaccine would bring it down further.

7-8 times. But that's why I'm so confident but will be under that. Easy win for me.

joe_99

froog wrote: »

you said "At least 6.8 percent of people who developed the flu during the 2019–2020 flu season in the United States have died"

which is completely false.

what you should have said was;

"at least 6.8 percent of people who developed both the flu and pneumonia during this particular week in the United States have died"

i don't expect you to understand the difference though so don't worry about it.

Again it wasn't my text. Healthline article direct quote.

fritzelly

Not in Kansas wrote: »

Sorry if I've missed this info already, but does anyone know is there a likely/probable way that viruses behave the further away from the epicentre they get? Do we know if, as they mutate, they are more likely to mutate for the better or for the worse?

It is the same virus, it doesn't change because it's in a different country - no mutations have been found at the moment
Mutations may happen and it gets worse or becomes more milder like the common cold but that could be a long time away or it could happen next week

drkpower

MD1990 wrote: »

What a disgrace people coming back from affected area's should be in qurantine for up to now at least 21 days maybe 30 if they are coming from an affected doesnt't matter if they are not showing any symptoms

Really, all of them?

The US
UK
France
Switzerland
Spain
Northern Italy
and many many more

And should this be a voluntary quarantine? Or should it be enforced? If it should be enforced, describe how?

I'd like to know about the actual ramifications of your interesting proposal.

igCorcaigh

I mentioned earlier, the need to flatten the curve.

Will it ever be recorded, the numbers of people who may pass, because the ICU wards have been full with COVID19, but did not certify for this condition.

The people who did not have this virus, but succombed or were otherwise ill because of lack of resources.

There is going to be a difficult choice to make for the clinicians.

Dotsie~tmp

BanditLuke wrote: »

It's really bizarre people attempting to downplay this. Have they actually been following whats going on in China since early January?

They actually havent. The vast majority of people havent seen have of those crazy videos from China. We just assume they have as much time as us to absorb the internet as we have.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zp3jH6iYrnw

This is NOT normal. Even for China.

MD1990

drkpower wrote: »

Really, all of them?

The US
UK
France
Switzerland
Spain
Northern Italy
and many many more

And should this be a voluntary quarantine? Or should it be enforced? If it should be enforced, describe how?

I'd like to know about the actual ramifications of your interesting proposal.

Would say areas with over 50 confirmed cases

joe_99

gmisk wrote: »

Honestly stop digging....you did.
You also quoted it...at least admit it.

I quoted directly from Healthline. I linked article earlier

babybuilder

MD1990 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/RTE_PrimeTime/status/1232427454662348800

He says we don't have huge evidence asymptomatic transmission is occuring.

It has been confirmed that it is occurring https://www.sciencealert.com/researchers-confirmed-patients-can-transmit-the-coronavirus-without-showing-symptoms

What a disgrace people coming back from affected area's should be in qurantine for up to now at least 21 days maybe 30 if they are coming from an affected doesnt't matter if they are not showing any symptoms

Prime time was an example of obfuscation and deception. When some flight cancellation from infected areas was suggested by Mirriam there was a retort about "you can't quarantine 2 or 3 million" visitors. Complete whitewashing.

BanditLuke

Knex. wrote: »

You would think quarantining people arriving from affected areas would be an immediate and obvious action.

We're days, if not weeks, too late even if we start this tomorrow.

The people in charge have basically put their hands up and just said, "nothing we can do here, best of luck".

Its a bit mad. Hard not to label it gross negligence tbh.

The dice has effectively been rolled on our health, and we're a couple of weeks away from seeing where it lands.

Economy over society. "Sure it will only be the old and sick that will die"

fritzelly

joe_99 wrote: »

CDC article. Interesting reading. Might help frame debate.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/#S2

Better?

Not interesting in the slightest

drkpower

Sean 18 wrote: »

It's crazy that these kids back from the ski trip are not quarantined how many other kids are they going to be meeting parents etc

Whats the basis for quarantining them? The mere fact that they passed through an area in which Covid has infected people?

Voluntary quarantine or enforced?

Martina1991

bodhrandude wrote:

developed a fast tracking Covid-19 test that apparently delivers results in an hour, they apparently sent it over to China during the Wuhan crisis for scientists to test there.

Which sounds very promising. But it is still one step in providing a test that has been proven effective and can be used worldwide.

We'll say one test can give a result in an hour.
A lab receives 3,000 samples a day every day until the pandemic dies down.

Then you have a backlog. Then you're taking days or weeks for results.

drkpower

MD1990 wrote: »

Would say areas with over 50 confirmed cases

Why 50?

Should the quarantine be enforced by state forces?

Lads. The percentage in that CDC is a percentage of all deaths that week so if there was 1000 deaths in the US. 68 of them would be due to flu and pneumonia. What I can't figure out is if they are including bacterial pneumonia?

BorneTobyWilde

SleetAndSnow wrote: »

Probably just facebook using confusing links,

Heres the actual link sorry:

https://www.facebook.com/corksredfm/posts/10157259776217060

Contact your doctor, Kill that poor old bastard lol. Walking into a Doctors waiting room is worst advice you could give.