Coronavirus Part II - Its arrived - We're Doomed!!! See OP for Mod warnings

fritzelly

skimpydoo wrote: »

Not sure if this has already been posted but it proves the Chinese figures are wrong.

https://m.theepochtimes.com/leaked-documents-reveal-chinas-shandong-province-faked-coronavirus-infection-data-real-numbers-up-to-52-times-higher_3251354.html/amp?__twitter_impression=true

May as well read the Beano for your news - fake news site

s7ryf3925pivug

dominatinMC wrote: »

It's our own government, and their inaction, that I'm concerned about. Trump, for all his flaws, will likely be a lot more decisive and proactive than any member of our own government.

Only five states can actually test for the virus. His position is that it will “go away”.

Hector Savage

Drumpot wrote: »

Totally agree.

I feel quite forlorn as for a long time friends and family have kind of scoffed at anything I said, I kind of miss it now, if really is making it more real for me. I was only thinking last night that I have never wanted to be so wrong about (it coming and spreading in Ireland) something in all my life.

I’ve been following this for weeks and it’s been very surreal getting to a point where it’s actually going to start showing up here. I’ve been phoning some family tonight to get them to start getting in some supplies and surprising one or two. I’m passed worrying about upsetting people.

People who are still thinking this is not coming will panic badly when they see the stores empty. It’s sad because better communication and preparation could of helped an awful lot. I really don’t know who is making the calls on how the authority’s want to manage people’s reaction but it’s been an unmitigated disgrace, that’s the most polite I can be on that.

I think the next few months are going to be a new experience for us all. Most of us will be fine and will carry on. But for a few weeks I think it’s going to feel scary because this is not something most of us have every experienced.

But is it as aggresive as it has been in Wujan anywhere else ? even in China ?
Not really, look at the stats in other Chinese provinces - they aren't so bad compared to Wuhan.

In fact Italy is worse than Shanghai now!!

skimpydoo

DominoDub wrote: »

I live and work in the Docklands area so I know it will be a hot zone with so many multinational companies

A few law firms down there, plus Facebook and Airbnb are nearby.

Drumpot

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Still not a pandemic though...it now identifies as as “owie” according to the WHO.

I think WHO took the approach to try and warn countries to get their houses in order and not press the pandemic button quicker. Think they did it for SARS(?) and got burned badly, so maybe that also had something to do with it.

Call Me Jimmy

fritzelly wrote: »

May as well read the Beano for your news - fake news site

What were their biggest fake news stories? Got a link?

(I'm not implying that story is real btw)

Hector Savage

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

St Patrick's Gay Parade will be in doubt too

Pity, I was looking forward to seeing a load of semi naked men dry humping on floats on O Connell street ..

EltonJohn69

fritzelly wrote: »

May as well read the Beano for your news - fake news site

That had better be a fake news site.. reading that was freaking me out

ChikiChiki

ReneeCali wrote: »

That's what I am talking about ...a smart move

Not really a smart move. Graphs and PhD analysis from China 3 weeks into January showed this was extreme.

We were on risk watch from then and having regular updates. All laptops had VPNs installed in early Feb.

I cannot believe fathom how slack the HSE have been. They literally sat on their hands until it became a crisis.

BanditLuke

Disease X. In terms of probability, we’re overdue a pathogen that kills millions. Especially with the ridiculous amount of global travel we undertake and thus numerous “Super spreaders”. It’s a race against time now to contain, mitigate and then vaccinate. It could yet mutate too. China acted too slow in December when there was a chance to contain it and the rest of the world hasn't learnt a thing from that and seems intent on sticking their collective heads in the sand.

fritzelly

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

What were their biggest fake news stories? Got a link?

(I'm not implying that story is real btw)

Been well reported - Google it - they are very anti China/pro Trump

EltonJohn69

Hector Savage wrote: »

Pity, I was looking forward to seeing a load of semi naked men dry humping on floats on O Connell street ..

Simpler times.....

Drumpot

Hector Savage wrote: »

But is it as aggresive as it has been in Wujan anywhere else ? even in China ?
Not really, look at the stats in other Chinese provinces - they aren't so bad compared to Wuhan.

In fact Italy is worse than Shanghai now!!

If we believe the Chinese figures.

Countries like Italy are I assume more reliable.

Does anybody know if the hotspots in Iran and Italy can be traced back to China? If not, that’s frightening as I don’t know what that means. I can come up with some tinfoil theories but that wouldn’t help anything

CinemaGuy45

fritzelly wrote: »

May as well read the Beano for your news - fake news site

Hmmm

The Epoch Times is a multi-language newspaper[2] founded in 2000 by John Tang and a group of Chinese Americans associated with the Falun Gong spiritual movement.[3] Though the newspaper is known for general interest topics with a focus on news about China and its human rights issues, it has become known for its support of U.S. President Donald Trump and favorable coverage of far-right politicians in Europe; a 2019 report showed it to be the second-largest funder of pro-Trump Facebook advertising after the Trump campaign.[4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11] The newspaper is part of the Epoch Media Group, which also operates New Tang Dynasty Television (NTD).[7] The group's news sites and YouTube channels have spread conspiracy theories such as QAnon and anti-vaccination propaganda.[7][12][13]

For its articles, the publication draws from a network within China, as well as staff living in the West.[14][15][16][17] The Epoch Times has print editions in English, Chinese, and six other languages.[18] Fifteen additional languages are published online only. The English edition of The Epoch Times is sold in broadsheet format Monday to Friday in New York City and Washington, D.C., and weekly across the United States and Canada.[18] A typical issue includes news sections, including Nation, World, Business, Opinion, and Commentary, and lifestyle sections, including Travel, Life & Tradition, Mind & Body, Food, and Puzzles.

stephenjmcd

Watch the panic if and when 1 case is confirmed.

1 case as they've said today will basically mean no change in terms of the states preparations.
Irish people seem to love a good panic, bread when it snows and god knows with this.

Everyone who has a head cold now will probably think they have the virus

fr336

Are the cases in Italy from the same kind of area or are one of two popping up across the country as a whole?

kenmc

DominoDub wrote: »

Watching the new European countries confirming their cases on the Guardian Live feed is like watching the voting on Eurovision -

speaking of which, with a bit of luck this will drag on long enough to get that cancelled too

Charles Babbage

NIMAN wrote: »

But the news is pessimistic.

Let's be honest, it sounds so contagious that once it gets a foothold in a country, we'd all need to stop going to work, school, the supermarket, the football stadium, the cinema, the nightclubs etc.

That ain't going to happen, the world has to go on, and so it's going to spread, spread, spread.

Some types of work are needed, as is food.
which can be delivered. Cinemas, sports and nightclubs are not needed and can be closed for a month.

fritzelly

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

Hmmm

Is that supposed to be a claim in support of them? From what you posted

The group's news sites and YouTube channels have spread conspiracy theories such as QAnon and anti-vaccination propaganda

BanditLuke

kenmc wrote: »

speaking of which, with a bit of luck this will drag on long enough to get that cancelled too

Silver linings

CinemaGuy45

fritzelly wrote: »

Is that supposed to be a claim in support of them? From what you posted

Nah.

I am guessing it is worse than the Chinese are saying but that link is just crazy.

Strazdas

Even if the virus was to arrive here, simple hygiene measures like washing your hands regularly, wearing gloves in public etc would go a long way to curtailing it.

Most people who have caught it so far probably were completely oblivious to the risk and weren't taking any precautions.

RoryMac

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Watch the panic if and when 1 case is confirmed.

1 case as they've said today will basically mean no change in terms of the states preparations.
Irish people seem to love a good panic, bread when it snows and god knows with this.

Everyone who has a head cold now will probably think they have the virus

I doubt there'll be a panic if 1 case is confirmed and the origins can be traced back to one of the infected zones. I think most people expect there to be cases here in the coming days.

Panic may kick in if/when it spreads to people that haven't been in China, Italy etc

ChikiChiki

Strazdas wrote: »

Even if the virus was to arrive here, simple hygiene measures like washing your hands regularly, wearing gloves in public etc would go a long way to curtailing it.

Most people who have caught it so far probably were completely oblivious to the risk and weren't taking any precautions.

Think I'll start a 40 minute walk to work instead of 20 min packed bus

Ludo

Trump about to talk about this now. Gawd. He is prob gonna move me from the nothing too serious to worry about yet into the PANIC, we're all gonna die column.
Even though that is the exact oppositeof what he is trying to do.

stephenjmcd

RoryMac wrote: »

I doubt there'll be a panic if 1 case is confirmed and the origins can be traced back to one of the infected zones. I think most people expect there to be cases here in the coming days.

Panic may kick in if/when it spreads to people that haven't been in China, Italy etc

That's the thing, people are getting worked up about cases in spain etc but if you read into them all were in northern Italy. Likewise the case in Brazil today was also a person who had been in that region.

I fully expect a case here at some point.

Listening to Joe Duffy today it was like a circus

YFlyer

On TV3 Anthony the scientist that I don't know his surname said we are not a dictatorship. Said organisations should make decision to go or cancel an event. I disagree.

ceadaoin.

tillyfilly wrote: »

it supposedly kills the second time around more often

No it doesn't. That's just more internet hearsay and completely unverified

Cheerful Spring2

It’s universal human fear to not want a virus and be sick. The figures though so far show that the recovery rate is very high outside of China. Virus not going to wipe out a large percentage of the population, but will probably eat up state funds in Ireland and Irish hospitals are not going to have beds for new patients. Just a couple of hundred people with the virus searching for a doctor to help them will put more strain on the health system.

The panic is predominantly about how fast the virus spreads. With open travel, it is impractical to stop the virus from spreading anyhow. Very many people travel from one country to another country. Its evitable someone going to arrive in Ireland and have t virus and give it to others. We just need to be ready to deal with it, however I don’t have much faith right now the Irish health system could deal with an influx of patients with the pathogen. 

Least EU will all be in the same boat and some type of action can be taken if becomes any worse. 

Nijmegen

fr336 wrote: »

Are the cases in Italy from the same kind of area or are one of two popping up across the country as a whole?

The majority of cases are still in the north but it has spread into other parts of Italy and indeed other countries directly linked to the outbreak in Italy.

scotchy

Ludo wrote: »

Trump about to talk about this now. Gawd. He is prob gonna move me from the nothing too serious to worry about yet into the PANIC, we're all gonna die column.
Even though that is the exact oppositeof what he is trying to do.

His lipstick and eye shadow match his tie. Classy.

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ceadaoin.

Ffs trump. Could have left the cruise ship people behind but he didnt because hes so great. Going on about 15 people in the US, is it not 50 odd now?

Strazdas

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Think I'll start a 40 minute walk to work instead of 20 min packed bus

From what I can gather, the risk is from hand to mouth rather than airborne. In that case, I would wear gloves everywhere in public if the virus was to show up here,

Phil.x

Will the pubs stay open?

fr336

DominoDub wrote: »

Watching the new European countries confirming their cases on the Guardian Live feed is like watching the voting on Eurovision -

Being in the UK, I'm hoping we have as little cases as points we get for Eurovision :pac:

Hector Savage

The greatest president ever is on

fr336

Strazdas wrote: »

From what I can gather, the risk is from hand to mouth rather than airborne. In that case, I would wear gloves everywhere in public if the virus was to show up here,

Nope pretty sure it's airborne. It was discussed here a week or two back when people taking this seriously were implied to be looney tunes.

BLIZZARD7

Trump saying the flu kills more every year...ugh this is Not relevant...

SeaBreezes

BanditLuke wrote: »

Honestly all joking aside I've followed this story very closely since it broke and even though I'm prepared for it as much as possible I'm genuinely worried for what this will do to our country IF it is aggressive as in Wuhan. People simply haven't researched the sheer effort China has put into stopping this it really has been a war time level of dedication to stopping it.

I sincerely hope I am wrong and I'll gladly have the p1ss ripped out of me.

I'm with you there.

Worse, the expert in the field Bruce Aylesward pretty much told us we are no way near as prepped as China and fatalities will be worse here.
And no ones listening.

He called it a War. He knows his stuff, and we have idiots telling people it's ok to travel.. pharmacists on TV (and I didn't see this my mum filled me in there was a lady pharmacist asked if travel is ok and they replied it's ok stay travelling .. wtf?

If we don't listen to the experts in the field.well ... tough to us.

fr336

Oh look Trump is on the "it's only the flu" bandwagon lol

Strazdas

YFlyer wrote: »

On TV3 Anthony the scientist that I don't know his surname said we are not a dictatorship. Said organisations should make decision to go or cancel an event. I disagree.

But if you started cancelling football matches and music concerts etc, you'd end up having to cancel everything : cinemas, restaurants, offices, colleges, schools, public transport, you name it (that would be a quite insane overreaction).

bodhrandude

Charles Babbage wrote: »

Some types of work are needed, as is food.
which can be delivered. Cinemas, sports and nightclubs are not needed and can be closed for a month.

I suppose nightclubs could pump up their UV lights to create a virus free environment.

Professor Moriarty

Strazdas wrote: »

From what I can gather, the risk is from hand to mouth rather than airborne. In that case, I would wear gloves everywhere in public if the virus was to show up here,

No, it's droplets from coughing, sneezing or even exhaling. The problem from hands is if you touch a surface that has been contaminated by infected droplets. Best advice is to stay away from someone who is coughing or sneezing, two metres at least, and wash/disinfect your hands before touching your eyes, nose or mouth. Or preparing food etc.

Hector Savage

The man is a f*cking legend!!!

I haven't felt so good about this in a long time!!!

one armed dwarf

Well at least it's Pence and not Trump.

No fan of Pence but it's a scary enough situation without such a gombeen like Trump in charge of important life/death decisions.

Ludo

Hector Savage wrote: »

The man is a f*cking legend!!!

I haven't felt so good about this in a long time!!!

Can you translate the gibberish for the rest of us please? All I got out of that is that the flu kills a lot of people. Oh and of course Trump is great. Lots of random sounds around those two points which made no sense.

fritzelly

Hector Savage wrote: »

The greatest president ever is on

Managed 2 minutes - America is great was all I was hearing

fr336

scotchy wrote: »

His lipstick and eye shadow match his tie. Classy.

.

This thread desperately needed a laugh, thank you!

ixoy

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Best advice is to stay away from someone who is coughing or sneezing, two metres at least

Good in theory, impossible on packed public transport.

Doctor Jimbob

Ludo wrote: »

Can you translate the gibberish for the rest of us please? All I got out of that is that the flu kills a lot of people. Oh and of course Trump is great. Lotsof random sounds around those two points which made no sense.

I haven't watched it but I assume at some point he made a reference to some distant relative of his who studied viruses, then went on to say he knows viruses better than anyone else, before going off on a completely irrelevant tangent about putting men on the moon again or something.

Actually I'm giving him too much credit by assuming he said viruses. He probably kept referring to it as bacteria.