Importing from the UK - definitive guide (Q and A)

Vicxas

Can someone do the math on a v90 for me.


Co2 is 146 g/km and thats band 16 apparently, and im adding 12.858 which brings it up to 159, which is band 18.

Did i do that right?

thadg

Vicxas wrote: »

Can someone do the math on a v90 for me.


Co2 is 146 g/km and thats band 16 apparently, and im adding 12.858 which brings it up to 159, which is band 18.

Did i do that right?

Hi,

where did this figure come from? They have made some mess of this, now the tax / vrt is even more complicated

edit: i just seen the calculations now

Petrol: y = x(0.9227)+34.554
Diesel: y = x(1.1405)+12.858
A NEDC tested petrol car has a CO2 value of 110 g/km on the vehicle registration
documentation which would attract a rate of 16%. Revenue uplifts this CO2 value to a
WLTP equivalent value as follows: y = 110(0.9227) + 34.554 y = 136
This car is then subject to an 18% VRT rate.


174 CO2 Diesel would be calculated now by: 174 x 1.1405 +12.858 =211 is the new value, would this be correct?

Vicxas

thadg wrote: »

Hi,

where did this figure come from? They have made some mess of this, now the tax / vrt is even more complicated

Petrol: y = x(0.9227)+34.554
Diesel: y = x(1.1405)+12.858
A NEDC tested petrol car has a CO2 value of 110 g/km on the vehicle registration
documentation which would attract a rate of 16%. Revenue uplifts this CO2 value to a
WLTP equivalent value as follows: y = 110(0.9227) + 34.554 y = 136
This car is then subject to an 18% VRT rate.

Pulled from the budget guide. Page 19/20

reubenreuben

Vicxas wrote: »

Can someone do the math on a v90 for me.


Co2 is 146 g/km and thats band 16 apparently, and im adding 12.858 which brings it up to 159, which is band 18.

Did i do that right?

No. its Diesel: y = x(1.1405)+12.858

so its 179.37 or band 19 = 31% vrt unfortunately.

Vicxas

Christ...

E30M3

deezell wrote: »

It's previous owner was unlikely to have been it's owner at all. It's more likely a lease or PCP car used by a company driver until the warranty is is up, then handed back. These cars are auctioned cheaply to dealers, it's where they get most of their stock, there just aren't that many private owner from new cars in the UK. Despite the scuffs the car probably has a fsh, and the miles are long straight motorway trips, not cold slow urban stop start shop runs. If you got good photos of the damage, you can send them to the likes of Car Cosmetix,
https://carcosmetix.ie/, who specialise in same day fast paint and panel work that doesn't require panel replacement. They'll quote you by return, so you'll know what the real cost of decent showroom condition will be.

I'd recommend you do a search on the company recommended here before using them. I couldn't recommend

User1998

Do the calculations really matter? The VRT calculator will be updated and will do the calculations for you

michellie

User1998 wrote: »

Do the calculations really matter? The VRT calculator will be updated and will do the calculations for you

If it was anything like last year the calculator will be updated several weeks into the year. So don't count on that!

I was going to share that YouTube clip too, its good.

Unfortunately we haven't been given any other information yet, all my information is coming from reading up on it this evening like you

Psygnosis

Hi
I imported a car on the 7th of october paid on the 6th of september but delays with shipping I take it the new VRT rates will not apply to it or am I incorrect. Do they kick in the new year?
Mines a 2017 Alhambra 1.9 150BHP

thadg

Psygnosis wrote: »

Hi
I imported a car on the 7th of october paid on the 6th of september but delays with shipping I take it the new VRT rates will not apply to it or am I incorrect. Do they kick in the new year?
Mines a 2017 Alhambra 1.9 150BHP

Doesnt matter when you buy it. It will be down to the date it enters the state. you have 30 days from that date to vrt car

pat1981

colm_mcm wrote: »

I would suppose it applies to new cars from 2021 and not cars originally registered before then?

They wouldn’t have WLTP data for older cars.

Edit; they’re gonna guesstimate the emissions and charge based on that. You couldn’t make it up.

I wonder would the new vrt regime be applied, for example I have an appointment next week for vrt inspection, the wait time is up to 15 working days to get a figure, and during this time the country goes into lock down and dosen't restart until January.
Would my vrt figure be based on 2020 rates or 2021.

bazz26

Psygnosis wrote: »

Hi
I imported a car on the 7th of october paid on the 6th of september but delays with shipping I take it the new VRT rates will not apply to it or am I incorrect. Do they kick in the new year?
Mines a 2017 Alhambra 1.9 150BHP

The new rates don't kick in until January.

deezell

And all this is independent of Brexit damage to imports. You could be looking at 3 grand all told increases in import costs for modest cars. Green party will have us in pedal cars if they could. And it will get worse when the OMSP rises for new cars, further increasing the VRT on used.

xPrePF7z4jLy7M

A question for those of you that couldn't pay VRT on the day because NCTS didn't have a statistical code, and Revenue had to calculate and create one manually: How did you pay in the end? Over the phone, bank transfer, Revenue DD?

Did anyone have one calculated on the spot or did you all have to wait a few weeks?

marcos_94

xPrePF7z4jLy7M wrote: »

A question for those of you that couldn't pay VRT on the day because NCTS didn't have a statistical code, and Revenue had to calculate and create one manually: How did you pay in the end? Over the phone, bank transfer, Revenue DD?

Did anyone have one calculated on the spot or did you all have to wait a few weeks?

You have to go into a NCT centre to pay. They give you a form at your VRT inspection and you bring that with you on the day when you pay. I think you have 30 days from the date of your VRT inspection to pay?

OfflerCrocGod

deezell wrote: »

And all this is independent of Brexit damage to imports. You could be looking at 3 grand all told increases in import costs for modest cars. Green party will have us in pedal cars if they could. And it will get worse when the OMSP rises for new cars, further increasing the VRT on used.

A Tesla 3 Performance is slightly more powerful than a pedal car.

On a more serious note yes it's annoying that the push is happening before we have enough second hand electric cars available for us to import but it's a chicken and egg situation and governments are pushing on both demand and supply so I imagine in 5 years time the situation will be vastly different. I wonder if you'd be considered mad to buy a new diesel/petrol in 2026.

Expect these trends to continue: https://arstechnica.com/cars/2020/10/electric-car-sales-triple-in-race-to-meet-europe-co2-rules/

bazz26

xPrePF7z4jLy7M wrote: »

A question for those of you that couldn't pay VRT on the day because NCTS didn't have a statistical code, and Revenue had to calculate and create one manually: How did you pay in the end? Over the phone, bank transfer, Revenue DD?

Did anyone have one calculated on the spot or did you all have to wait a few weeks?

Payment method is the same as if a stat code was already there. It's all on the NCT website under VRT FAQ - https://www.ncts.ie/1209/ question 7:

The NCT Centre will also collect the VRT charge (and other tax liabilities) on behalf of Revenue. You can pay this charge either by

Bank Draft or postal order (made payable to Applus Car Testing Service Ltd)
Cash (up to a limit of €250)
Debit Card
Credit Card excluding American Express
Company cheque with TAN numbers only (to a limit of €10,000 payable to Applus Car Testing Service Ltd)

xPrePF7z4jLy7M

marcos_94 wrote: »

You have to go into a NCT centre to pay.

You're joking, you have to go back? Sure the car has already been inspected, that's ridiculous. 2 hour journey for me.

ELM327

xPrePF7z4jLy7M wrote: »

You're joking, you have to go back? Sure the car has already been inspected, that's ridiculous. 2 hour journey for me.

No where in the country is 2 hours from an NCT center

marcos_94

xPrePF7z4jLy7M wrote: »

You're joking, you have to go back? Sure the car has already been inspected, that's ridiculous. 2 hour journey for me.

Bit annoying but you can go to any NCT centre and dont need an appointment. I had my VRT inspection in monaghan but paid my VRT at my local NCT centre in Deansgrange. Just rocked up and paid

Wildly Boaring

ELM327 wrote: »

No where in the country is 2 hours from an NCT center

In fairness plenty are 1 hour.
So 2 hour round trip.

Just be sure to ring for their actual opening hours.
The one at ballyfermot closes for about 2 hours at lunch.

Did not say that on Google maps.

Ridiculous you can't pay online or over phone.

darragh o meara

marcos_94 wrote: »

Bit annoying but you can go to any NCT centre and dont need an appointment. I had my VRT inspection in monaghan but paid my VRT at my local NCT centre in Deansgrange. Just rocked up and paid

I didn’t know that, I thought it had to be a VRT centre so that they could process the payment and give you the reg number of the car. I’ve to get mine VRT’d shortly, might suit to not have to make 2 trips out of the county, that’s assuming we won’t be in L5 and I can make the 1st one 😂

thadg

Hogzy wrote: »

NEW VRT RATES:

See page 19 of the document

VRT RATES ON PAGE 19

Can some clarify this please:

Does the new VRT and tax bands starting in 2021 WLTP rates only apply to new cars? see page 21

From 2021, there will be three motor tax tables in operation:
1. The pre-July 2008 table based on engine size.
2. Cars registered up to 31/12/2020 and those from 2021 which are NEDC tested only
3. Cars registered from 1/1/2021 (WLTP tested cars)

A 2015 UK Import would only be NEDC tested only. See class 2 in red

In the papers today i didnt see anything about used imports being under the new tax system with the (Diesel: y = x(1.1405)+12.858) but i could be wrong
Any help would be welcomed with this sad set up

xPrePF7z4jLy7M

Wildly Boaring wrote: »

In fairness plenty are 1 hour.
So 2 hour round trip.

Exactly. I'm between two, 55 mins and 65 mins away. Since they have no appointments at the moment I put myself down for both and got the further away one, 2 days after the 30 day limit. Had to go back on the list, there was no way I was dealing with fines on top!

Just be sure to ring for their actual opening hours.
The one at ballyfermot closes for about 2 hours at lunch.

I got caught out like that once, didn't think they were still closing for lunch. Thanks.

Ridiculous you can't pay online or over phone.

Crazy, unless there's some documentation needs to be completed in person or something? I'm still none the wiser on the whole process TBH, no idea what the actual procedure will be when I get there!

michellie

marcos_94 wrote: »

You have to go into a NCT centre to pay. They give you a form at your VRT inspection and you bring that with you on the day when you pay. I think you have 30 days from the date of your VRT inspection to pay?

darragh o meara wrote: »

I didn’t know that, I thought it had to be a VRT centre so that they could process the payment and give you the reg number of the car. I’ve to get mine VRT’d shortly, might suit to not have to make 2 trips out of the county, that’s assuming we won’t be in L5 and I can make the 1st one 😂

It's not any NCT centre, you can only pay at an NCT centre with a VRT desk. Some centers don't have VRT.

Shouting at the NCT staff while the VRT staff have finished up or are off for the day doesn't help either.

And Marcos it's 30 days from entering the country.

marcos_94

michellie wrote: »

It's not any NCT centre, you can only pay at an NCT centre with a VRT desk. Some centers don't have VRT.

Shouting at the NCT staff while the VRT staff have finished up or are off for the day doesn't help either.

And Marcos it's 30 days from entering the country.

Sorry should have clarified that its any NCT centre with a VRT office there. I was told at my VRT appointment that I had 30 days to pay the VRT from the day of inspection. My car wasnt on the system though

darragh o meara

xPrePF7z4jLy7M wrote: »

Exactly. I'm between two, 55 mins and 65 mins away. Since they have no appointments at the moment I put myself down for both and got the further away one, 2 days after the 30 day limit. Had to go back on the list, there was no way I was dealing with fines on top!

Was asking about this myself as I couldn’t get an appointment within 30 days. They said there was a huge backlog and pointed me to the FAQ on their website. It says that the fines are suspended until 31st December. I’d imagine once you don’t take the piss and book a date for December when there’s loads of dates in November , you’ll be fine. When I spoke to AXA about going over the 30 days they said it’s pretty widespread at the moment and that they will cover until I get an Irish reg.

If you really want to be compliant, ring the VRT booking line and ask for cancellations each day. I’m gonna stay with the date they gave me and hope that a new month might give me a slightly better rate, might only be the price of a coffee but it’s better in my pocket

peaceboi

Hi...me also in similar situation. My car is not in their system, so they said they will find out my vrt amount and inform me within 8-10 days. My inspection was finished, and I don't need to bring the car, just need to pay the vrt amount & bring the v5c when I come for paying the vrt. I found a beter car now in the uk. Am wondering if it's possible to trade in back this car for a different car in the uk, since I already have the v5c with me? And just don't turn up for paying the vrt? Or do I need to inform them, am selling this car back in the uk? Your suggestions appreciated. Thanks

xPrePF7z4jLy7M

darragh o meara wrote: »

Was asking about this myself as I couldn’t get an appointment within 30 days. They said there was a huge backlog and pointed me to the FAQ on their website. It says that the fines are suspended until 31st December.

They updated that recently, when I first looked it was referring to an earlier time in the pandemic, with an earlier date. And when I talked to NCTS they told me that fines would be enforced, but could be appealed. I made them email me confirmation of that. However I already have a rescheduled appointment within the 30 days, so all good.

Has anyone crossed a county border yet? Any problems with the Guards? They have a checkpoint before the bridge in Youghal, I'm picturing myself getting a grumpy guard who hasn't had his tae yet, telling me it's non-essential travel.

xPrePF7z4jLy7M

peaceboi wrote: »

Hi...me also in similar situation. My car is not in their system, so they said they will find out my vrt amount and inform me within 8-10 days. My inspection was finished, and I don't need to bring the car, just need to pay the vrt amount & bring the v5c when I come for paying the vrt. I found a beter car now in the uk. Am wondering if it's possible to trade in back this car for a different car in the uk, since I already have the v5c with me? And just don't turn up for paying the vrt? Or do I need to inform them, am selling this car back in the uk? Your suggestions appreciated. Thanks

I have no experience of that, but there's no way I wouldn't "just not pay" the Revenue, even in this situation. They're not keen on that.

I would definitely call NCTS to ask them to cancel it off their system.