I did not want to show the world the sadness in my eyes.

El_Duderino 09

Deleted User wrote: »

I don't know for certain, but there so far is no reference made of that. So I assume it has not been unless there is evidence to the contrary.

LOL. You disbelieve the claim she was raped even thought there's no evidence to the contrary. Now you decide to believe she hasn't spoken to the police (with absolutely no evidence either way) unless there's evidence to the contrary. Talk about making it up as you go along.

This is precisely the point of reserving judgement until/unless there's enough evidence to reach a conclusion. If you make a decision based on your gut instinct then that decision will colour every bit of subsequent evidence (which is exactly what everyone has done who either actively believes it or actively disbelieves it with such a tiny bit of evidence).

I will just take the honest approach and say I don't know because there isn't enough evidence to reach a conclusion. If more evidence comes forward then I'll take that into account but I might never know one way or the other and I don't feel obliged to reach a knee-jerk decision.

Tacitus Kilgore

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

And do you know if they have spoken to the police?

As he said, he just assumes they haven't in the absence of conflicting info.

I presume this is an attempt to muddy the waters of what should, and shouldn't be believed.

ThewhiteJesus

wow the lack of sympathy here is unreal.
I wonder would you assume the worst if it was your sister or mother or wife.

El_Duderino 09

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

As he said, he just assumes they haven't in the absence of conflicting info.

I presume this is an attempt to muddy the waters of what should, and shouldn't be believed.

Oh yes it very much is an attempt to muddy the waters by that poster. If they took that same approach with the accusation (believe it unless there's evidence to the contrary) then they would also believe the accusation because there is no evidence to the contrary. But they don't because they've made up their mind with the tiny bit of evidence available. Terrible approach.

This is it

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

This is what happens when, certain, threads aren’t moved to the “Current Affairs” forum. A direct result.

I call bull on that. AH can be a cesspit at times but it shouldn't need to be moved, the posts should be actioned wherever they are when they fall below posting standards, which clearly a lot of posts in this thread do.

One eyed Jack

eviltwin wrote: »

It's not the experience of celebrities, its how the public react to the accounts.

How the public reacts to the accounts of celebrities though.

That’s my point - they’re two completely different contexts and circumstances. In cases of celebrities making announcements on social media, the reaction from the public doesn’t influence an ordinary persons reasons for keeping their experiences and their thoughts to themselves. Their priority generally tends to be self-preservation.

Rolling Stone in particular has previous form for publishing stories in an attempt to portray a particular narrative which later turned out to be complete works of fiction -

Rolling Stone Loses Defamation Case Over Rape Story

EmmetSpiceland

This is it wrote: »

I call bull on that. AH can be a cesspit at times but it shouldn't need to be moved, the posts should be actioned wherever they are when they fall below posting standards, which clearly a lot of posts in this thread do.

I’m not talking about this thread, T.

I’m just pointing out that if, say, the “Peterson” thread had been moved to CA this thread wouldn’t have been overrun with the posters from there.

eviltwin

One eyed Jack wrote: »

How the public reacts to the accounts of celebrities though.

That’s my point - they’re two completely different contexts and circumstances. In cases of celebrities making announcements on social media, the reaction from the public doesn’t influence an ordinary persons reasons for keeping their experiences and their thoughts to themselves. Their priority generally tends to be self-preservation.

Rolling Stone in particular has previous form for publishing stories in an attempt to portray a particular narrative which later turned out to be complete works of fiction -

Rolling Stone Loses Defamation Case Over Rape Story

I wouldn't necessarily agree with that based on my own personal experience.

El_Duderino 09

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

LOL. You disbelieve the claim she was raped even thought there's no evidence to the contrary. Now you decide to believe she hasn't spoken to the police (with absolutely no evidence either way) unless there's evidence to the contrary. Talk about making it up as you go along.

This is precisely the point of reserving judgement until/unless there's enough evidence to reach a conclusion. If you make a decision based on your gut instinct then that decision will colour every bit of subsequent evidence (which is exactly what everyone has done who either actively believes it or actively disbelieves it with such a tiny bit of evidence).

I will just take the honest approach and say I don't know because there isn't enough evidence to reach a conclusion. If more evidence comes forward then I'll take that into account but I might never know one way or the other and I don't feel obliged to reach a knee-jerk decision.

I think you have just spelled out my position believe it or not. There isn't enough evidence to believe or disbelieve. But taking that position for some people means you don't believe her.

Where I would go slightly further than you is point out the lack of detail and strange medium for communicating what would have been an unimaginably horrific ordeal.

One eyed Jack

eviltwin wrote: »

I wouldn't necessarily agree with that based on my own personal experience.

I know, but that’s why I questioned that poster as they seemed to have a greater deal of experience than anyone that they could infer that how ordinary people who have been the victim of rape would base anything on how they see the public react to celebrities who claim to have been raped.

I don’t think there’s any correlation whatsoever myself, but that supports their assertion that I’m ill-informed and they know better. I’d like to know how they know so I can be as informed as they are on the issue of the thought processes of people who have been the victim of rape.

They all think the same apparently, who knew?

Millicently

Woke Hogan wrote: »

I was also wondering what happened to her fairly recently. I hope she gets the help she needs.

I’m not surprised but I am disgusted at all of the misogynistic comments in here from the people accusing her of lying or “cashing in.” If a male singer from the same era, say Daniel Beddingfield, announced that he had been raped these people would be falling over themselves slamming his attacker(s).

Misogynistic? The woman pops up after being absent from the limelight for however long and makes a vague statement saying that she has been drugged, held captive and raped. She doesn't elaborate on this other than to say that she stayed out of the limelight because she didn't want the world to see the sadness in her eyes which is frankly nauseating. Instead of telling people what happened to her she then invites people to submit questions to her about what happened to her which she says she will answer in a spoken interview in the coming weeks. Now if that doesn't reek to you I don't know what does.

There are men and women out there right now trying desperately to come to terms with being raped and too scared to tell anyone but this woman has turned an alleged horrific attack on her into a three ringed circus at exactly the point in time where questioning her honesty in the media or on Social media will have people baying for blood in case she decides to get upset and kill herself. This is the first time that I've heard of a rape victim ask for the public to submit questions to her about her rape that they'd like her to answer. I am a woman and I have known many very manipulative and calculating women so you'll just have to forgive me for saying that if it walks like a duck and quacks then it might just be a duck.

Stevieluvsye

It's bizarre

I don't know whether she was raped or not so won't speculate, but why come out and make this statement? To the best of my knowledge i can't imagine the general public sitting at home worrying why that hadn't heard anything from Duffy in the last few years.

I'm thinking there is another motive here

El_Duderino 09

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I think you have just spelled out my position believe it or not. There isn't enough evidence to believe or disbelieve. But taking that position for some people means you don't believe her.

Where I would go slightly further than you is point out the lack of detail and strange medium for communicating what would have been an unimaginably horrific ordeal.

Sure. The position I spelled out is inconsistent, but it does seem to be the position you’re taking. Do you see the different approach you’ve taken to her claim and whether she’s been to the police? One you disbelieve in spite of lack of evidence to the contrary, the other you believe because of lack of evidence to the contrary.

Millicently

Stevieluvsye wrote: »

It's bizarre

I don't know whether she was raped or not so won't speculate, but why come out and make this statement? To the best of my knowledge i can't imagine the general public sitting at home worrying why that hadn't heard anything from Duffy in the last few years.

I'm thinking there is another motive here

I'm not sure if I've ever heard of her. But basically she hasn't been in the spotlight for 10 years then pops up out of nowhere saying that she'd been abducted drugged and raped yet at no point over the past 10 years has her family or agent or friends reported her missing. I'm not aware of any appeal to find her or any coverage in the media of her disappearance or a court case against anyone for this alleged occurrence. It's very difficult for any celebrity to keep anything quiet yet there' not been a peep about this.

El_Duderino 09

Stevieluvsye wrote: »

It's bizarre

I don't know whether she was raped or not so won't speculate, but why come out and make this statement? To the best of my knowledge i can't imagine the general public sitting at home worrying why that hadn't heard anything from Duffy in the last few years.

I'm thinking there is another motive here

The other motive is glaringly obvious - if you’re a celebrity.

A celeb can’t just tell a few family and friends about something the way you or I might do. Someone will probably leak it and then a tabloid hears about it and it gets out in Chinese whispers style.

So if a celeb plans to ever tell anyone, then they might as well tell everyone before it gets out through tabloids and they spend years trying to set the record straight.

Much easier to just say it themselves in their own words on Instagram. Very simple explanation but I suspect people will prefer to go for a more nefarious explanation.

Millicently

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Sure. The position I spelled out is inconsistent, but it does seem to be the position you’re taking. Do you see the different approach you’ve taken to her claim and whether she’s been to the police? One you disbelieve in spite of lack of evidence to the contrary, the other you believe because of lack of evidence to the contrary.

Whereas you are arguing that she should be believed because of a lack of evidence to the contrary. Do you recall any story of her going missing over the last 10 years? No, didn't think so. Some of us prefer to have equality for all and believe that everyone is should be treated fairly. I don't believe in accepting someone's word that they were raped simply because they say they were. It's a nightmare area but being a woman shouldn't give you more rights than a man and being a man shouldn't mean that your guilt is assumed when a rape complaint is made without evidence.

Stevieluvsye

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

The other motive is glaringly obvious - if you’re a celebrity.

A celeb can’t just tell a few family and friends about something the way you or I might do. Someone will probably leak it and then a tabloid hears about it and it gets out in Chinese whispers style.

So if a celeb plans to ever tell anyone, then they might as well tell everyone before it gets out through tabloids and they spend years trying to set the record straight.

Much easier to just say it themselves in their own words on Instagram. Very simple explanation but I suspect people will prefer to go for a more nefarious explanation.

Or even spill it to the tabloids "accidently" and she can claim someone else sold the info to them, set up a teary interview on how you couldn't finmd the courage to express yourself, write some soppy sh!te song and there you go.

It's just weird.

Millicently

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

The other motive is glaringly obvious - if you’re a celebrity.

A celeb can’t just tell a few family and friends about something the way you or I might do. Someone will probably leak it and then a tabloid hears about it and it gets out in Chinese whispers style.

So if a celeb plans to ever tell anyone, then they might as well tell everyone before it gets out through tabloids and they spend years trying to set the record straight.

Much easier to just say it themselves in their own words on Instagram. Very simple explanation but I suspect people will prefer to go for a more nefarious explanation.

Then why not release the story today on Instagram, why drag it out over weeks?

Stevieluvsye

Millicently wrote: »

Then why not release the story today on Instagram, why drag it out over weeks?

Her script writer is on annual leave until March

El_Duderino 09

Stevieluvsye wrote: »

Or even spill it to the tabloids "accidently" and she can claim someone else sold the info to them, set up a teary interview on how you couldn't finmd the courage to express yourself, write some soppy sh!te song and there you go.

It's just weird.

Maybe she thinks it’s a serious topic and just wants to get it out rather than simply cynically using it to make money. Imagine that.

But the important thing is she’s wrong, right?

Having to correct a story the press has created could take years. Why not just tell the story yourself?

reg114

Stevieluvsye wrote: »

Or even spill it to the tabloids "accidently" and she can claim someone else sold the info to them, set up a teary interview on how you couldn't finmd the courage to express yourself, write some soppy sh!te song and there you go.

It's just weird.

Well Rape tends to be ..

Look folks unless you are currently or have been someone living in the public eye and are a victim of rape yourself, its arrogance in the extreme to err on the side of cynicism as to why Duffy has made the statement she has. This is the problem with sexual violence. Victims tend to have to fight to be heard never mind believed. The attitude very evident on this forum, even the title of this thread is a microcosm of the blase attitude towards rape victims.

You either believe her or you're calling her a liar, if you hold any other opinion its pure speculation. Its really that simple.

El_Duderino 09

Millicently wrote: »

Whereas you are arguing that she should be believed because of a lack of evidence to the contrary. Do you recall any story of her going missing over the last 10 years? No, didn't think so. Some of us prefer to have equality for all and believe that everyone is should be treated fairly. I don't believe in accepting someone's word that they were raped simply because they say they were. It's a nightmare area but being a woman shouldn't give you more rights than a man and being a man shouldn't mean that your guilt is assumed when a rape complaint is made without evidence.

I got as far as the bit in bold and you’re completely wrong already. Didn’t bother reading the rest.

Quote me saying she should be believed....

Stevieluvsye

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Maybe she thinks it’s a serious topic and just wants to get it out rather than simply cynically using it to make money. Imagine that.

But the important thing is she’s wrong, right?

Having to correct a story the press has created could take years. Why not just tell the story yourself?

I said in a previous post i won't speculate whether she was, or was not raped. Because, guess what..........I don't know

Like does this even need to be in the public domain? Has she spoken to the cops? Does this statement prejudice a potential future case? Why is she releasing a pre-statement and not give all the details now?

As i said, it's bizarre

Stevieluvsye

reg114 wrote: »

Well Rape tends to be ..

Look folks unless you are currently or have been someone living in the public eye and are a victim of rape yourself, its arrogance in the extreme to err on the side of cynicism as to why Duffy has made the statement she has. This is the problem with sexual violence. Victims tend to have to fight to be heard never mind believed. The attitude very evident on this forum, even the title of this thread is a microcosm of the blase attitude towards rape victims.

You either believe her or you're calling her a liar, if you hold any other opinion its pure speculation. Its really that simple.

Oh FFS

Read my post on the last page and correct yourself

Omackeral

I'm starting to worry about Mika now.

El_Duderino 09

Stevieluvsye wrote: »

I said in a previous post i won't speculate whether she was, or was not raped. Because, guess what..........I don't know

Like does this even need to be in the public domain? Has she spoken to the cops? Does this statement prejudice a potential future case? Why is she releasing a pre-statement and not give all the details now?

As i said, it's bizarre

I just said how there is no middle ground for a celebrity. They can’t just tell a few family and friends because it will get out in Chinese whispers style and then they could spend years trying to set the record straight.

So they either button up and tell nobody, ever. Or they tell the story themselves. She told the salient details in a short story. It’s not that bizarre at all really.

Stevieluvsye

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I just said how there is no middle ground for a celebrity. They can’t just tell a few family and friends because it will get out in Chinese whispers style and then they could spend years trying to set the record straight.

So they either button up and tell nobody, ever. Or they tell the story themselves. She told the salient details in a short story. It’s not that bizarre at all really.

Well i tell you one thing! If this all happened 5 years ago or further back, then it is bizarre but i don't think she has given the dates (Not sure)

Anyway, call me a doubting thomas but i wouldn't be shocked if a new song/album suddenly gets promoted

Millicently

Stevieluvsye wrote: »

Well i tell you one thing! If this all happened 5 years ago or further back, then it is bizarre but i don't think she has given the dates (Not sure)

Anyway, call me a doubting thomas but i wouldn't be shocked if a new song/album suddenly gets promoted

I've been listening to the stuff she's been saying read out on Sky news and honestly it sounds like she's off her medication. I'm beginning to wonder if she slipped out of a psychiatric unit somewhere.

El_Duderino 09

Stevieluvsye wrote: »

Well i tell you one thing! If this all happened 5 years ago or further back, then it is bizarre but i don't think she has given the dates (Not sure)

Anyway, call me a doubting thomas but i wouldn't be shocked if a new song/album suddenly gets promoted

You don’t believe that celebrities struggle to keep their secrets to just their family and friends? Or you doubt that those secrets often get out to the entertainment press? Or you doubt that it’s easier for a celebrity to simply tell their own story than allow the tabloids to do it? Or you doubt it takes time and effort to set the story straight after the tabloids tell a story inaccurately?

Which of those things do you doubt?

Tired Gardener

Why do people have this odd sense that she is obligated to tell all the details of her ordeal, why must she prove to random strangers on the internet who are more than likely not involved in this, that it happened? What benefit does that do anyone?

She spoke about it briefly in an interview as a part of her recovery process no doubt.

The way we as a society treat the victims of Rape is grotesque.

El_Duderino 09

Tired Gardener wrote: »

Why do people have this odd sense that she is obligated to tell all the details of her ordeal, why must she prove to random strangers on the internet who are more than likely not involved in this, that it happened? What benefit does that do anyone?

She spoke about it briefly in an interview as a part of her recovery process no doubt.

The way we as a society treat the victims of Rape is grotesque.

Some people just assume the worst. The notion of compassion doesn’t enter into their thoughts.

eviltwin

Stevieluvsye wrote: »

I said in a previous post i won't speculate whether she was, or was not raped. Because, guess what..........I don't know

Like does this even need to be in the public domain? Has she spoken to the cops? Does this statement prejudice a potential future case? Why is she releasing a pre-statement and not give all the details now?

As i said, it's bizarre

I've been raped. When I finally felt ready to tell people I did via a Facebook post. I'm not a celebrity so I didn't have any of the ****e that goes with being out of work for years and then having to explain where you were. I felt social media allowed me to tell as many people as I needed in one go, in my own words and without having to put myself through talking about it. And you know what, it was great. It was the best way I could have done it. Did everyone need to know? No but I wanted them to know because it had a huge impact on who I was and affected all areas of my life and I didn't want to carry it as a secret any more. I needed people to know so I could be minded.

I will never second guess why anyone chooses to tell things that are so significant or how they tell them. I don't know if this is true or not but until I have proof either way I will assume its genuine because I know how calling someone a liar could affect another person who has experienced sexual violence. We're always liars in some people's eyes.

Raconteuse

Tired Gardener wrote: »

The way we as a society treat the victims of Rape is grotesque.

I don't think so. I think it's just a small but not insignificant, and loud, crowd who are latching on to the craze of viewing all women as suspicious because of some.

Stevieluvsye

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

You don’t believe that celebrities struggle to keep their secrets to just their family and friends? Or you doubt that those secrets often get out to the entertainment press? Or you doubt that it’s easier for a celebrity to simply tell their own story than allow the tabloids to do it? Or you doubt it takes time and effort to set the story straight after the tabloids tell a story inaccurately?

Which of those things do you doubt?

Jesus, i have made my points in previous posts.

I'm going to assume a new song/album is in the pipeline. I'll give it 6 months and if i'm wrong i'll come back and state i was incorrect

This is why i don't post over in CA because your opinion is always wrong. ALWAYS

Millicently

Tired Gardener wrote: »

Why do people have this odd sense that she is obligated to tell all the details of her ordeal, why must she prove to random strangers on the internet who are more than likely not involved in this, that it happened? What benefit does that do anyone?

She spoke about it briefly in an interview as a part of her recovery process no doubt.

The way we as a society treat the victims of Rape is grotesque.

She announced it on Instagram and invited people to submit questions for her to answer about it in the coming weeks. Please elaborate on how that isn't bizarre? What part of the healing process does that help? Seriously, I'd love to know because if she had told her story in full on Instagram today nobody would remember it next week but she has arranged this to drag it out over as many weeks as she feels she can. Rape victims generally don't invite the world to submit questions on their ordeal.

Millicently

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I got as far as the bit in bold and you’re completely wrong already. Didn’t bother reading the rest.

Quote me saying she should be believed....

Read your own posts.

SusieBlue

Millicently wrote: »

She announced it on Instagram and invited people to submit questions for her to answer about it in the coming weeks. Please elaborate on how that isn't bizarre? What part of the healing process does that help? Seriously, I'd love to know because if she had told her story in full on Instagram today nobody would remember it next week but she has arranged this to drag it out over as many weeks as she feels she can. Rape victims generally don't invite the world to submit questions on their ordeal

There is no handbook of guidelines on how to disclose to others that you've been raped. What's compeltely normal and standard for one person, will be bizarre to another.
You are holding her to your own standards - just because it isn't how you think you'd handle the situation, doesn't mean her way is wrong.
And it certainly doesn't make her a liar either.

Stevieluvsye

eviltwin wrote: »

I've been raped. When I finally felt ready to tell people I did via a Facebook post. I'm not a celebrity so I didn't have any of the ****e that goes with being out of work for years and then having to explain where you were. I felt social media allowed me to tell as many people as I needed in one go, in my own words and without having to put myself through talking about it. And you know what, it was great. It was the best way I could have done it. Did everyone need to know? No but I wanted them to know because it had a huge impact on who I was and affected all areas of my life and I didn't want to carry it as a secret any more. I needed people to know so I could be minded.

I will never second guess why anyone chooses to tell things that are so significant or how they tell them. I don't know if this is true or not but until I have proof either way I will assume its genuine because I know how calling someone a liar could affect another person who has experienced sexual violence. We're always liars in some people's eyes.

Sorry to hear about your own personal experience but lets be clear i'm not suggesting she was or was not raped as i don't know.

Bit have bolded a sentence above which is why i think there may be another motive

El_Duderino 09

Stevieluvsye wrote: »

Jesus, i have made my points in previous posts.

I'm going to assume a new song/album is in the pipeline. I'll give it 6 months and if i'm wrong i'll come back and state i was incorrect

This is why i don't post over in CA because your opinion is always wrong. ALWAYS

Lol. Well, you’ve nailed your colours to the mast there. A simple case of making a snap decision and allowing following information to be coloured by the initial snap decision.

I’ll just be honest and say I don’t have a clue one way or the other but you go on ahead and pretend you know whatever you want. If presuming the worst about a person who claims to have been raped makes you happy, then go for it.

Stevieluvsye

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Lol. Well, you’ve nailed your colours to the mast there. A simple case of making a snap decision and allowing following information to be coloured by the initial snap decision.

I’ll just be honest and say I don’t have a clue one way or the other but you go on ahead and pretend you know whatever you want. If presuming the worst about a person who claims to have been raped makes you happy, then go for it.

Well said

Millicently

SusieBlue wrote: »

There is no handbook of guidelines on how to disclose to others that you've been raped. What's compeltely normal and standard for one person, will be bizarre to another.
You are holding her to your own standards - just because it isn't how you think you'd handle the situation, doesn't mean her way is wrong.
And it certainly doesn't make her a liar either.

You believe what you like and in a few weeks time when you might just feel like a tit for saying that I promise I won't say I told you so.

SusieBlue

Millicently wrote: »

You believe what you like and in a few weeks time when you might just feel like a tit for saying that I promise I won't say I told you so.

I might feel like a tit for saying that there is no normal or standard protocol for disclosing that you've been raped?
No, I won't regret saying that, regardless of whatever you see happening in your crystal ball.

El_Duderino 09

Millicently wrote: »

Read your own posts.

I have read my posts. You on the other hand, haven’t read them. I haven’t once said she should be believed and I’ve actually said I don’t believe her because there isn’t enough evidence to conclude one way or the other. You’re talking out your hoop.

Unless you can quote me saying I think she should be believed, even once. Just one instance of me saying she should be believed....

eviltwin

This woman can't win. She's a musician, her career involves releasing music. Now if she tries to go back to that career she's going to be judged and accused of cashing in? What else is she supposed to do?

El_Duderino 09

eviltwin wrote: »

This woman can't win. She's a musician, her career involves releasing music. Now if she tries to go back to that career she's going to be judged and accused of cashing in? What else is she supposed to do?

It’s genuinely fascinating to see people assume the worst. It must just be in some people’s nature to think the worst of people which, I think, would be a miserable way to live.

I don’t know if she was raped. Not enough evidence to conclude one way or the other. But I would definitely advocate treating someone who claims to have been raped, with compassion.

One eyed Jack

eviltwin wrote: »

This woman can't win. She's a musician, her career involves releasing music. Now if she tries to go back to that career she's going to be judged and accused of cashing in? What else is she supposed to do?

She took a break from the music business after dismal sales of her second album.

I don’t imagine there were that many people wondering where she went, so this comes as somewhat out of the blue by way of explaining her absence from the music business. I suppose she could have just stayed in obscurity and nobody would have bothered her, but it’s a big ask for her privacy to be respected while at the same making announcements on social media releasing vague tidbits and planning on serialising her ordeal in Rolling Stone. I can’t say I blame people for being cynical in this particular circumstance. It doesn’t mean they react in the same fashion to every story at all, let alone when someone who isn’t a celebrity shares their experiences.

Stevieluvsye

One eyed Jack wrote: »

She took a break from the music business after dismal sales of her second album.

I don’t imagine there were that many people wondering where she went, so this comes as somewhat out of the blue by way of explaining her absence from the music business. I suppose she could have just stayed in obscurity and nobody would have bothered her, but it’s a big ask for her privacy to be respected while at the same making announcements on social media releasing vague tidbits and planning on serialising her ordeal in Rolling Stone. I can’t say I blame people for being cynical in this particular circumstance. It doesn’t mean they react in the same fashion to every story at all, let alone when someone who isn’t a celebrity shares their experiences.

Don't waste your time time chief

creditcarder

Raconteuse wrote: »

I don't think so. I think it's just a small but not insignificant, and loud, crowd who are latching on to the craze of viewing all women as suspicious because of some.

Not some in fairness. There seems to be a huge amount of false/exagerated (drunk, power imbalance, interchangeable use of the word harrasment/sexual assault and rape) lately



I don't blame anybody for being suspicious imo. l

Raconteuse

creditcarder wrote: »

Not some in fairness. There seems to be a huge amount of false/exagerated (drunk, power imbalance, interchangeable use of the word harrasment/sexual assault and rape) lately

No there doesn't.

I certainly do blame people for being suspicious just because it's a woman who has made the claim.

Ninthlife

This thread has confirmed I shouldnt come to boards looking for sympathy or compassion