Electric Vehicles / Classics

Seweryn

I watched this some time ago, quite interesting...

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5htfsj

kadman

unkel wrote: »

From US statistics an EV is far less likely to go up in fire than an internal combustion engine car. But obviously it is big news when one does go on fire. There's about 5-10 times as much energy in a petrol tank than there is in a battery pack, so your guess which will burn more

and which will have more range...

True, but you dont need a hazmat team to put the fire out like an ev.:D

kadman

55% of pump price on diesel and petrol goes to the government in taxes.

If/when we all convert to electric how will the government get their 55% tax take back??

unkel

kadman wrote: »

55% of pump price on diesel and petrol goes to the government in taxes.

If/when we all convert to electric how will the government get their 55% tax take back??

They won't. Like they never got the high levels of motor tax / VRT revenue back they got before the move to chape tax diesel and they lost billions

Unlike back in 2008 though, this time the decline will be very gradual as we replace all our diesel cars with EVs over the next 25 years. Except of course our classic cars. Which brings us nicely back to.....

kadman

unkel wrote: »

They won't. Like they never got the high levels of motor tax / VRT revenue back they got before the move to chape tax diesel and they lost billions

Unlike back in 2008 though, this time the decline will be very gradual as we replace all our diesel cars with EVs over the next 25 years. Except of course our classic cars. Which brings us nicely back to.....

So who got my money then??

Kenny Logins

54and56

marcos_94 wrote: »

I agree that some people believe they do no harm but in a life cycle analysis, they emit less than a petrol or diesel car. They are for sure better for the planet than petrol and diesel cars, and it must be noted that their life emissions can improve as the electricity share from the grid decarbonises.
https://www.transportenvironment.org/press/electric-cars-emit-less-co2-over-their-lifetime-diesels-even-when-powered-dirtiest-electricity

Not sure what your issue with range is? If you believe ranges are exaggerated, is that no different to the lying going on in the car industry as a whole anyways with emissions testing and fuel efficiency testing?

With regards to battery recycling, is there not a growing industry for reuse at the moment, with people like Damien buying batteries for retrofit into other vehicles? Or how about Nissan taking “used” batteries and using them as grid storage?
https://m.futurecar.com/3759/Relectrify-Using-Old-EV-Batteries-to-Power-the-Grid

Excellent podcast on the VW DieselGate scandal - https://pca.st/08h6hsjg

kadman

Kenny Logins wrote: »

Is it me or is there some running noise during that test??

Kenny Logins

kadman wrote: »

Is it me or is there some running noise during that test??

It is noisy but could have PS pump or something else running too?

marcos_94

54and56 wrote: »

Excellent podcast on the VW DieselGate scandal - https://pca.st/08h6hsjg

Very interesting podcast, thanks for that. A lot less dramatic than the episode on it in the Dirty Money series on Netflix

Kenny Logins

kadman wrote: »

Is it me or is there some running noise during that test??

Found the build thread -

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=685542

It has a Red9 wishbone/R&P front end and is also water cooled, so there is a lot going on in there with fans and pumps etc.

timsey tiger

kadman wrote: »

True, but you dont need a hazmat team to put the fire out like an ev.:D

You don't put out the fire, you keep well back and wait for the explosion.

airhead_eire

timsey tiger wrote: »

You don't put out the fire, you keep well back and wait for the explosion.

And good riddence !!

w124man

This is what the boss of Peugeot has to say on the EV fad. If the manufacturers are thinking this then its just a fad. Its unsustainable

54and56

w124man wrote: »

This is what the boss of Peugeot has to say on the EV fad. If the manufacturers are thinking this then its just a fad. Its unsustainable

????

w124man

https://www.rte.ie/lifestyle/motors/2020/0303/1120028-electric-cars-bought-by-green-addicts-peugeot-chief/

Dont know why it didnt post the last time

Markcheese

Not really a classic , but I'd love to do an electric a2..
You'd get a good bit of distance for your battery buck ...

galwaytt

kadman wrote: »

55% of pump price on diesel and petrol goes to the government in taxes.

If/when we all convert to electric how will the government get their 55% tax take back??

Because cheap and free charging for EV will cease to exist. And whilst technically any EV charging device can be indentified (like an ip address), they could introduce EV chargeing rates different from normal consumption.

Or, pull an LPT on it: just throw a blanket annual fee on every EV in the country worked out per vehicle to be that lost to excise on fuel.

Either way, they're not going to stand back and watch that revenue disappear: in fact, they can't. The exchequer can't afford not to.

kadman

Yep, I agree, something similar to the property tax is what I think as well.
Then just keep increasing year on year.

macplaxton

zg3409

Please try stay on topic.

Electric classic cars based in Wales just launched their beetle kit for UK20,000 . This includes battery, motor etc, but you need to DIY the installation. Battery is 26kWh which may give a range of 150km or so, with only slow 6.6kW charging meaning beyond range trips would need 4 hours to give another 150km

https://m.facebook.com/electricclassiccars/

I could easy see DIY kits for 10,000 euro in the future, and a doubling of range, particularly in vehicles that can take a load of batteries such as a vw bus or large classic car.

https://m.facebook.com/electricclassiccars/

https://www.electricclassiccars.co.uk/shop

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-and-tourism/irish-start-up-converting-classics-into-electric-supercars-1.3856975%3fmode=amp


This crowd are linked to the Enniskerry crowd near Bray.

They are typically very high end and expensive. Prices should come down over time and range should increase.

On the topic of DIY conversions, Damien Maguire has done a good few conversions, he does not sell the cars and he does not do conversions to order. He does sell some adapter circuit boards so people can use Nissan or Tesla parts in non Nissan or non tesla cars.

https://evbmw.com/index.php/evbmw-webshop

He also runs courses regularly out of a unit in Arklow. This teaches DIY conversions with help on sourcing parts particularly used Nissan and Tesla motors and electronics. People have travelled all over Europe to attend.

Dates and times here. Typical course cost 1000 euro.

https://openinverter.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=491

A few Irish mechanics and enthusiasts have completed the course, which guides you through the basics of motors, batteries, chargers, inverters and how to modify an old car to EV including getting NCT. It is based around the low end of using second hand parts, to keep conversion costs down. Certain cars are particularly suited to conversion.

One Irish guy is working in his conversion at the moment, and he seems to be making good progress

https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=103447861071902&ref=content_filter

He may or may not have completed the course.

Some upsides of classic car conversion

Daily driver reliability, no/tiny fuel costs, no distributors/points/carburetors/oil changes/ new drivetrain

High performance 0-60 can be higher particularly in slower air cooled beetles etc.

You may be able to get 50% to 75% off tolls ( may have to fight as specific list of cars at the moment)

Ideal for car where engine is a right off or impractical to run as a daily driver.

There are downsides and the costs vs range probably don't justify the effort yet, but range is increasing and newer conversions have fast charging meaning recharging on route becomes practical. Costs are dropping all the time and used parts are becoming more common.