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Will you travel? [Mod Note in Post #1 - Travel Discussion Only! Megathread]

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    #3122
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    s1ippy wrote: »
    Yeah that's the kind of thing they'd definitely be putting out there if they're not even willing to tell people on a specific flight that they've come in contact with a covid carrier.

    You think the staff and their families would keep it quiet?


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    #3123
    Mr E
    Registered Users Posts: 55,517 ✭✭✭✭Mr E


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Your hat is on too tight, it's effecting oxygen supply to your brain.
    I'm not sure why you are worried about planes, I get the impression you will be staying in a bunker until a vaccine is found.

    Mod: Cut this kind of posting out please.


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    #3124
    gral6
    Registered Users Posts: 715 ✭✭✭gral6


    tobefrank321 wrote: »
    I'd be a big advocate of testing before flying abroad or returning. But its difficult to see how a practical solution can be brought in. It would be great to see a 3 hour turnaround test rolled out at European airports. The problem of air travel has been known since March and there's still no consensus how to roll out fast turnaround tests.

    Spain for example now has a peak of 40 cases per 100,000. If 100 Brits were infected there, it seems absurd to punish the other 99,900 with a two week lockdown.


    It is ridiculous idea. Try to get it done here 3 days before you fly somewhere. Not a way you'll get it on time. May be only if you lie your GP that you are having symptoms.


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    #3125
    MickeyLeari
    Closed Accounts Posts: 917 ✭✭✭MickeyLeari


    gral6 wrote: »
    It is ridiculous idea. Try to get it done here 3 days before you fly somewhere. Not a way you'll get it on time. May be only if you lie your GP that you are having symptoms.

    Another problem which should be solve able. But rather than come up with solutions the Government and the media are more interested one passing judgement. Sure anyone would think we were a large self sustainable economy which was not dependent on International trade, FDI and tourism for the wealth we do have and indeed which funds our public services.


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    #3126
    tobefrank321
    Registered Users Posts: 4,521 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    gral6 wrote: »
    It is ridiculous idea. Try to get it done here 3 days before you fly somewhere. Not a way you'll get it on time. May be only if you lie your GP that you are having symptoms.

    They have it in Austria and Hong Kong. Airport tests.

    Quarantines kill tourism. And tourism is a huge part of many economies.

    There's a report today that covid has cost tourism 320 billion

    https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-53550540

    But turnaround testing at airports would likely cost an investment of a couple billion worldwide - PPE, testers, swabs, labs on the airport grounds. They had 3 months to plan for the tourism season and the very predictable problems it would bring.


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    #3127
    tobefrank321
    Registered Users Posts: 4,521 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    MickeyLeari wrote: »
    Another problem which should be solve able. But rather than come up with solutions the Government and the media are more interested one passing judgement. Sure anyone would think we were a large self sustainable economy which was not dependent on International trade, FDI and tourism for the wealth we do have and indeed which funds our public services.

    Yep. Governments have been awful.

    Take the UK-Spain example. How much would it cost to implement a 1 day turnaround test in Spain for Brits heading home and then quarantine the miniscule number who test positive? Instead hundreds of thousands are inconvenienced and Spain's tourism industry badly hit, not to mention potentially thousands of jobs losses at airlines and in airports, all because they didn't even attempt other measures.

    Fast turnaround testing would not be easy but its doable. It should at least be attempted. Let the tourists pay for it as a tax on their airline ticket and as a condition of flying.


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    #3128
    dundalkfc10
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭dundalkfc10


    Looking forward to the holidays Thursday.

    2 weeks of Sun in Portugal.

    Have received the HR message about needing to take 2 weeks off to self isolate.

    Employer has no right to know what I do on my weeks off, so will be straight back to work the day I return (as I work from Home)


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    #3129
    bladespin
    Registered Users Posts: 7,354 ✭✭✭bladespin


    s1ippy wrote: »
    So you're in favour of them not engaging with contact tracers after you've been on a plane with somebody who is infected? What kind of a bizarre death wish is that to have for your loved ones.

    All these posters lately obnoxiously defending Ryanair... Wouldn't be outside the realms of possibility that they're paid PR for the company.

    One look on twitter shows that public opinion of them is in the toilet.

    Whoah there cowboy, hold your horses, I’m not defending anyone (especially not Ryanair), I simply asked a question, from reading the article it doesn’t sound like there was any official approach, at least not one that could be taken seriously.

    Legally their first move has to be to seek the passengers permission (right or wrong it’s not for them to decide), after they have that they can do whatever.

    Believe me I could never be accused of being an RA defender lol, I’ve had to deal with exactly that same bs when it comes to visiting customer sites, they demand service but won’t cooperate on Covid questions when it could contravene data protection, I’ve had to cancel several jobs just because of this.

    BTW I wouldn’t recommend Twitter as a reference source.


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    #3130
    FutureTeashock
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    dundalkfc10 wrote: »
    Looking forward to the holidays Thursday.

    2 weeks of Sun in Portugal.

    Have received the HR message about needing to take 2 weeks off to self isolate.

    Employer has no right to know what I do on my weeks off, so will be straight back to work the day I return (as I work from Home)

    Enjoy your holiday! Ignore the comments suggesting you're a granny slayer for taking a break in the sun.


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    #3131
    dundalkfc10
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭dundalkfc10


    FutureTeashock wrote: »
    Enjoy your holiday! Ignore the comments suggesting you're a granny slayer for taking a break in the sun.

    My nanny is actually coming with us, whole family are off


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    #3132
    beaz2018
    Closed Accounts Posts: 173 ✭✭beaz2018


    dundalkfc10 wrote: »
    My nanny is actually coming with us, whole family are off

    Love it - enjoy. The isolation of the previously well elderly will be worse for their health than any virus.


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    #3133
    BringBackMick
    Registered Users Posts: 1,098 ✭✭✭BringBackMick


    It is time to literally switch off from any government advice at this point.

    Our CMO voiciferously said that Facemasks make no difference.

    He did not stop flights from huuuuuge hotspots in March, yet we are stopping flights from Germany today!!!

    It is all laughable, the educated and briefed will make their minds up for themselves.

    These elected chancers are no smarter than you or I, and have very little more information at their hands.

    That is the truth.


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    #3134
    BringBackMick
    Registered Users Posts: 1,098 ✭✭✭BringBackMick


    Having worked in many decent jobs within departments in this government. I can conclude, nobody has a ****ing clue!

    And a smart chap on the street knows more than the Minister in most of these departments.


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    d15ude
    Registered Users Posts: 316 ✭✭d15ude


    BringBackMick wrote: »

    He did not stop flights from huuuuuge hotspots in March, yet we are stopping flights from Germany today!!!

    .

    Who is stopping flights from Germany?


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    #3136
    BringBackMick
    Registered Users Posts: 1,098 ✭✭✭BringBackMick


    d15ude wrote: »
    Who is stopping flights from Germany?

    Overview

    Security Status

    Avoid non-essential travel to Germany.

    Security Status Last Updated: 17 March 2020

    Latest Travel Alert


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    #3137
    BringBackMick
    Registered Users Posts: 1,098 ✭✭✭BringBackMick


    Which is laughable, i would feel a lot safer if i caught covid in Germany than in Ireland.

    The cheek.


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    #3138
    BringBackMick
    Registered Users Posts: 1,098 ✭✭✭BringBackMick


    And just to make clear to people pished off by our restrictive measures.

    If Leo Varadkar was not in cabinet we would have no green list.

    NONE!

    I'm not a fan of this guys politics, but just to show you what type of hawks we have in our cabinet.


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    #3139
    thelad95
    Registered Users Posts: 7,812 ✭✭✭thelad95


    BringBackMick wrote: »
    Overview

    Security Status

    Avoid non-essential travel to Germany.

    Security Status Last Updated: 17 March 2020

    Latest Travel Alert

    Still can get a direct flight from Germany to Ireland though can't you?


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    #3140
    BringBackMick
    Registered Users Posts: 1,098 ✭✭✭BringBackMick


    thelad95 wrote: »
    Still can get a direct flight from Germany to Ireland though can't you?

    I don't get your point? I'm absolutely supportive of flights resuming to Germany. This country needs to get real with itself.

    I can understand hot spots getting off the list, even Spain....but if our policy remains unchanged, this country is fcuked


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    #3141
    thelad95
    Registered Users Posts: 7,812 ✭✭✭thelad95


    BringBackMick wrote: »
    I don't get your point? I'm absolutely supportive of flights resuming to Germany. This country needs to get real with itself.

    I can understand hot spots getting off the list, even Spain....but if our policy remains unchanged, this country is fcuked

    Sorry, I just read above that flights from Germany were being stopped, you can get flights directly to and from Germany, perhaps a misunderstanding


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    #3142
    smurfjed
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    I’m sure that you read this part of the article.
    The study acknowledged the researchers couldn’t completely rule out whether the man had been infected elsewhere, but said the evidence suggests “he probably acquired SARS-CoV-2 infection during the flight.”.

    https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1288115219823091715?s=20


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    #3143
    d15ude
    Registered Users Posts: 316 ✭✭d15ude


    BringBackMick wrote: »
    I don't get your point? I'm absolutely supportive of flights resuming to Germany. This country needs to get real with itself.

    I can understand hot spots getting off the list, even Spain....but if our policy remains unchanged, this country is fcuked

    The point is that you wrote that flights to Germany are being stopped today.

    Which is not the fact!


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    dundalkfc10
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭dundalkfc10


    smurfjed wrote: »
    I’m sure that you read this part of the article.



    https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1288115219823091715?s=20

    So someone never used their mask correct and gave someone Covid.

    I'm sure that happens outside of planes too


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    bladespin
    Registered Users Posts: 7,354 ✭✭✭bladespin


    dundalkfc10 wrote: »
    So someone never used their mask correct and gave someone Covid.

    I'm sure that happens outside of planes too

    I’ve said it before and will again, this is not a travel related illness, travel does not aid transmission, this is completely behavioural related, if you follow the WHO advice: distancing, hygiene etc you are just as safe travelling as you would be in a shop or on a street here.


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    #3146
    MickeyLeari
    Closed Accounts Posts: 917 ✭✭✭MickeyLeari


    BringBackMick wrote: »
    And just to make clear to people pished off by our restrictive measures.

    If Leo Varadkar was not in cabinet we would have no green list.

    NONE!

    I'm not a fan of this guys politics, but just to show you what type of hawks we have in our cabinet.

    And Fascist Fáil had to agree as their poll numbers are super low.


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    Oranage2
    Registered Users Posts: 11,128 ✭✭✭✭Oranage2


    It seems a little selfish to travel in the current times but I can see why people are doing it, it's cheaper to go somewhere on the Mediterranean than it is to spend on the cold damp coast of Ireland


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    Clonmel1000
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    Oranage2 wrote: »
    It seems a little selfish to travel in the current times but I can see why people are doing it, it's cheaper to go somewhere on the Mediterranean than it is to spend on the cold damp coast of Ireland

    Why is it selfish?

    It’s worth repeating this is not a travel related illness, travel does not aid transmission, this is completely behavioural related, if you follow the WHO advice: distancing, hygiene etc you are just as safe travelling as you would be in a shop or on a street here


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    Feria40
    Registered Users Posts: 442 ✭✭Feria40


    Oranage2 wrote: »
    It seems a little selfish to travel in the current times but I can see why people are doing it, it's cheaper to go somewhere on the Mediterranean than it is to spend on the cold damp coast of Ireland

    But why is it selfish? Like genuinely why/how could it be.

    Really not having a go at all, just trying to follow the logic


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    #3150
    gral6
    Registered Users Posts: 715 ✭✭✭gral6


    Oranage2 wrote: »
    It seems a little selfish to travel in the current times but I can see why people are doing it, it's cheaper to go somewhere on the Mediterranean than it is to spend on the cold damp coast of Ireland


    It seems a little selfish to tell people not to travel, it is their business whether to travel or not.


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    Oranage2
    Registered Users Posts: 11,128 ✭✭✭✭Oranage2


    Clonmel1000 wrote: »
    Why is it selfish?

    It’s worth repeating this is not a travel related illness, travel does not aid transmission, this is completely behavioural related, if you follow the WHO advice: distancing, hygiene etc you are just as safe travelling as you would be in a shop or on a street here

    Firstly I'll have to stop you there, I don't follow the WHO's advice.

    Also common logic would tell you that if your man in Spain has the virus and you go to the shop and buy sangria from that man then when you come home you'll have the virus then spread it to all your friends and family.


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