Will you travel? [Mod Note in Post #1 - Travel Discussion Only! Megathread]

dundalkfc10

Oranage2 wrote: »

Firstly I'll have to stop you there, I don't follow the WHO's advice.

Also common logic would tell you that if your man in Spain has the virus and you go to the shop and buy sangria from that man then when you come home you'll have the virus then spread it to all your friends and family.

That's nonsense, The majority like me will come home after my 2 weeks and self isolate for 2 weeks like I am been asked to do.

I could go pub in town here in an hour get it and half the town might have it by the weekend

bladespin

Oranage2 wrote: »

Firstly I'll have to stop you there, I don't follow the WHO's advice.

Also common logic would tell you that if your man in Spain has the virus and you go to the shop and buy sangria from that man then when you come home you'll have the virus then spread it to all your friends and family.

That’s not how it works, especially if you are following the advice, if he’s masked and you’re masked and you’re 2m apart there’s very little chance of getting it, even from an active case.

And, that’s not travel related transmission, again that’s behavioural.

Plumbthedepths

Oranage2 wrote: »

Firstly I'll have to stop you there, I don't follow the WHO's advice.

Also common logic would tell you that if your man in Spain has the virus and you go to the shop and buy sangria from that man then when you come home you'll have the virus then spread it to all your friends and family.

The man in the Sangria shop is required to wear a mask as are his customers. Very strict about face coverings in Spain. Also to buy a bottle of Sangria or anything for that matter takes very little time. Why do you assume if in proximity to someone with the virus it's a given you will get it?
Your post proves common logic ain't all that common.

H8GHOTI

Oranage2 wrote: »

...Also common logic would tell you that if your man in Spain has the virus and you go to the shop and buy sangria from that man then when you come home you'll have the virus then spread it to all your friends and family.

Common logic?

You could go to an off license here, buy Guinness and catch the virus.
Also, you’ll spread it to friends and family by not social distancing etc.. Doesn’t matter if you catch it in Spain or Ireland.

H8GHOTI

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

...I could go pub in town here in an hour get it and half the town might have it by the weekend

Half the town? What you planning? :-)

bladespin

H8GHOTI wrote: »

Half the town? What you planning? :-)

Avoid birthday parties here anyway:

https://meathlive.net/2020/07/27/exclusive-covid-case-from-navan-birthday-party/

bladespin

Oranage2 wrote: »

Firstly I'll have to stop you there, I don't follow the WHO's advice.

Had to go back to this: you’re afraid of Covid but you won’t follow the advice on how to avoid it???

Seriously, I did just read that right?

H8GHOTI

bladespin wrote: »

Avoid birthday parties here anyway:

https://meathlive.net/2020/07/27/exclusive-covid-case-from-navan-birthday-party/

Kids parties? Ya, wouldn’t really be my style.

bladespin

bladespin wrote: »

Avoid birthday parties here anyway:

https://meathlive.net/2020/07/27/exclusive-covid-case-from-navan-birthday-party/

A parent of a child who went to the party had it. Where is the suggestion it came from the party?

Oranage2

bladespin wrote: »

Had to go back to this: you’re afraid of Covid but you won’t follow the advice on how to avoid it???

Seriously, I did just read that right?

I believe they're compromised.

And it's this simple, imagine you've two cages full of rats, cage A has very few cases of a virus, cage B has many, now if we start mixing the rats even if we put masks on them and try to social distance them like extra running wheels and water bottles, it's inevitable that the virus will mix.

Now imagine cage A is Ireland and cage B is Spain. See what I'm saying?

bladespin

[Deleted User] wrote: »

A parent of a child who went to the party had it. Where is the suggestion it came from the party?

Who suggested it did? Just an example of how behaviour causes the problems, a lot of people isolating now, hopefully all are clear.

bladespin

"Oranage2 wrote: »

Now imagine cage A is Ireland and cage B is mSpain. See what I'm saying?

Honestly, no, you lost me at rats, people (even the worst) tend to apply a little more intelligence and if they don’t then the authorities is Spain etc will guide them.

Limpy

Oranage2 wrote: »

Firstly I'll have to stop you there, I don't follow the WHO's advice.

Also common logic would tell you that if your man in Spain has the virus and you go to the shop and buy sangria from that man then when you come home you'll have the virus then spread it to all your friends and family.

Sangria ffs, it's not the 70s.

Anyway logic would tell you being in a (foreign) region with less active case's then your local (Irish) region will mean it's safer. What do you say about that?

mikekerry

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0728/1156094-flac-pup-covid-payment/

gral6

More cases today, more chances that more countries will make their way to our ridiculous green list

Clonmel1000

gral6 wrote: »

More cases today, more chances that more countries will make their way to our ridiculous green list

How do you mean?

caveat emptor

bladespin wrote: »

Avoid birthday parties here anyway:

https://meathlive.net/2020/07/27/exclusive-covid-case-from-navan-birthday-party/

I heard kids who attend birthday parties get the children's allowance stopped.......:D

bladespin

caveat emptor wrote: »

I heard kids who attend birthday parties get the children's allowance stopped.......:D

Giving them ideas now,wait for it...

Plumbthedepths

gral6 wrote: »

More cases today, more chances that more countries will make their way to our ridiculous green list

It's how the cases are reported. The 40 are not all from today.

MickeyLeari

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

It's how the cases are reported. The 40 are not all from today.

Why?

Plumbthedepths

MickeyLeari wrote: »

Why?

I believe its an administrative thing. Our daily figure is 18. It's better to go with the 7 day average. Tuesdays are usually high. Tomorrow will probably be about 10.

caveat emptor

caveat emptor wrote: »

Holidays pose risk.
Ryanair not engaging with public health authorities to perform contact tracing. Guess that's how they can say our planes are safe. Just don't engage.
https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1288059158168731648?s=20

That story has been updated.
Still inconclusive but Ryanair said they sent a GDPR form to the public health people.
They also say authorities took 5 days to come back.
Passenger on flight hasn't been contacted by Ryanair in meantime.

Wonder what the form is? I find the whole thing very strange.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/28/berlin-couple-test-positive-for-coronavirus-after-manchester-visit

She told the Guardian on Tuesday that the health office had made repeated attempts to contact Ryanair so the airline could contact other passengers who were on the plane, but that it has “so far had no feedback”.

Ryanair insisted it had provided the German authorities with the relevant information.

A spokesperson for the Irish airline said: “Ryanair routinely deal with public health authorities’ requests for passenger contact lists in the face of suspected or confirmed Covid-19 cases. We received the request from the health department of the Berlin-Spandau district office on 22 July and Ryanair responded the same day with the appropriate documentation to release the flight manifest under GDPR (general data protection) regulations. The German health authorities only followed up five days later and we supplied the requested passenger details.”

However, one passenger who had been on the same flight contacted the Guardian to express his concern that he had not been contacted by the airline.

“I have had no communication from Ryanair about the possibility of Covid-19 infection onboard,” Anthony Harrison said.

mikekerry

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/family-says-it-had-child-benefit-cancelled-after-going-on-holidays-1.4315998?mode=amp

Limpy

mikekerry wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/family-says-it-had-child-benefit-cancelled-after-going-on-holidays-1.4315998?mode=amp

More happy voter's the Government will attract (not).

People are better off sitting next to departure gates of green list countries. only head to the gate at the last few minutes if going (Red list).

bladespin

caveat emptor wrote: »

I heard kids who attend birthday parties get the children's allowance stopped.......:D

You called it, damn, that was fast.

smurfjed

smurfjed wrote: »

but usually not in the same airport or building as regular passengers.

Dublin airport VIP isn't really that fancy or special but no, they don't mingle with us unwashed

Oranage2

Oranage2 wrote: »

I believe they're compromised.

And it's this simple, imagine you've two cages full of rats, cage A has very few cases of a virus, cage B has many, now if we start mixing the rats even if we put masks on them and try to social distance them like extra running wheels and water bottles, it's inevitable that the virus will mix.

Now imagine cage A is Ireland and cage B is Spain. See what I'm saying?

Well no, what you need to do is take an infection free rat from a, put a mask on and place it in b while taking an infection free rate from cage b and placing it in a. Then see which rat gets infected first

Ladylouth

caveat emptor wrote: »

I heard kids who attend birthday parties get the children's allowance stopped.......:D

But a parent who travelled for family reasons got the Child Benefit stopped. Very knowledgable man on Liveline yesterday, specialist in SW legislation, refused to comply with his rights being trampled on at the airport, punishment that resulted was CB being stopped since he was not on PUP or other allowances. How many people here let Child Benefit know if they are going abroad? If you missed Liveline yesterday, it’s worth listening back. Some very strange goings on, and our society should be gravely concerned about the tone things have started to take.

stephenjmcd

https://twitter.com/SeanDefoe/status/1288426040239497216?s=19

thelad95

As many may remember, I spoke out on this thread a few days ago with extreme skepticism that there was Gardaí checking passports in the airport and obviously tracking down welfare records based on that information.

Now that the above has been proven true, I'm genuinely shocked and appalled that our country has come to this. This is an absolutely disgusting underhanded measure, people were not warned that this could happen, I don't ever recall it being an explicit condition that you had to remain on the island to receive the PUP. Now the government has come out and said you have to be seeking work. This makes no sense, the PUP was introduced as people could not work.

Many are still waiting for the workplace to re-open as I said previously if they have previously booked and paid for a holiday they have every right to go as THE BORDERS HAVE NEVER BEEN CLOSED.

Either the borders are open and people can come and go as they please or they are not. Any advisory from the DFA is just that, an advisory.

There is also serious serious questions to be answered still on how information is being linked. Even Gardaí can't just go sniffing into welfare records unless they have a good reason to do so. A quick glance at a passport without any inquiry as to why they are traveling is not a good reason. This is a scandal waiting to happen.