Will you travel? [Mod Note in Post #1 - Travel Discussion Only! Megathread]

caveat emptor

neris wrote: »

and may be we can build a few gas chambers while were at it or send the naughty traveling public out to dig a few useless canals in rural connaught

Is this an attempt to end the thread? :pac:

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theological

The Continental Op wrote: »

https://www2.hse.ie/conditions/coronavirus/managing-coronavirus-at-home/if-you-live-with-someone-who-has-coronavirus.html#restrict

There has never been legally enforced quarantine like in other countries. In a sense he is correct.

JoeExotic81

theological wrote: »

This is why travel restrictions should be law to stop people doing what they think is right in their own eyes until the situation stabilises.

Why are you still breathing? So careless and selfish. Stop breathing or you may spread the seed.

bladespin

The Continental Op wrote: »

https://www2.hse.ie/conditions/coronavirus/managing-coronavirus-at-home/if-you-live-with-someone-who-has-coronavirus.html#restrict

All advice, there never was any official requirement, follow the link and you will notice the predominant use of 'should' not must etc etc.

3xh

The Continental Op wrote: »

https://www2.hse.ie/conditions/coronavirus/managing-coronavirus-at-home/if-you-live-with-someone-who-has-coronavirus.html#restrict

You must’ve been either living under a rock or living under a rock watching RTE the past 8 months.

The wording from government media briefings, HSE guidance notices and NPHET iterations deliberately confuse the meaning of ‘quarantine, restricting your movements, self-isolation, whatever’

How on Earth anyone can think this quarantine etc is mandatory, in the English dictionary sense of the word, is beyond me.

If you walked through passport control in Ireland and told the lad you hand your PLF to, ‘I won’t be quarantining’ etc there is nothing that will be done.

But thanks for your effort. The government sure as hell don’t thank you for it.

normanoffside

The Continental Op wrote: »

https://www2.hse.ie/conditions/coronavirus/managing-coronavirus-at-home/if-you-live-with-someone-who-has-coronavirus.html#restrict

You can go outside for excercise. Go to shops for Essential purposes (buy food).

Most of the advice is the same as level 5

ShineOn7

bladespin wrote: »

Sooo, you don't mind all the other nasties that you can come into contact with, just Covid??? or is it that you'd just prefer the Irish version of instead of a foreign one???

8 months into a once in a century pandemic and you're comparing it to "other nasties"?

The mind boggles sometimes

SB71

SB71 wrote: »

They have continully blamed international travel and pubs without a shred of evidence, Holohan and Glynn before him seem almost fixated on not opening pubs ,their yo yo effect regarding lock downs throughout all of this has almost crippled the economy, they are unwilling to listen to other Infectious disease specialists , both here and throughout Europe who have publically said that lock downs will only serve to cripple the economy the economy doesnt seem to bother them at all, lets not forget the vast majority of people will recover from covid-19 , the actual knock on effect from these lock downs will be in effect a lot worse than covid-19 will ever be,it will last for years when this virus has dissapeared.

At one stage i think everyone was in universal agreement that we should do as they say, but as time went on people are just flabebrgasted at some of their decisions and they have all but lost a large percentage of the public, if FFG had any backbone which clesrly they dont they would say no to NPHET and open up sopciety for xmas and try and save some business and jobs.

Again, it's not their job to worry about the economy. Absolutely nothing to do with them and any medical expert that's opinion is based on the economy shouldn't be listened to.

You are giving out to doctors for not considering your finances. Do you complain that the department of finance aren't issuing medical advise? No because it's not within their remit.

It's for the government to make the decisions having regards to all areas of society and after listening to each efforts advise within their area of expertise.

I need travel to remain open. Tests before entering Spain are yet another expense for me that I don't need but look, it is what it is.

The Continental Op

bladespin wrote: »

All advice, there never was any official requirement, follow the link and you will notice the predominant use of 'should' not must etc etc.

I'm not saying otherwise I'm just pointing out that I'd recently read the word Quarantine in the official guidelines.

speedboatchase

speedboatchase wrote: »

If UK is on the red list after November 29th and you don't want to quarantine, I believe: https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/irish-coming-home-face-200-covid-19-test-bill-to-cut-quarantine-period-1.4407375

I don't need to quarantine and I don't need to take a test.

I can self isolate at my discretion. The test makes zero difference. How ****ing stupid van it get? A newspaper article claiming that you 'need' to take a test to avoid a non existent quarantine requirement

lawrencesummers

Are people really considering not coming home for Christmas because of this?
Take precautions, wear masks travelling, get a test before you travel, and one when you come back. Stay out of the pubs when your here if they are even open, have somewhere to isolate away from vulnerable people until results come back.


If Politicians can come back for golf, a child can see their parents this Christmas.


Life goes on.

theological

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Are people really considering not coming home for Christmas because of this?
Take precautions, wear masks travelling, get a test before you travel, and one when you come back. Stay out of the pubs when your here if they are even open, have somewhere to isolate away from vulnerable people until results come back.


If Politicians can come back for golf, a child can see their parents this Christmas.


Life goes on.

Yes. I'm genuinely not coming back to Ireland for Christmas.

Why? Because I think it's our responsibility to help control the spread of the virus so we can get back to normal sooner.

BeefeaterHat

theological wrote: »

Yes. I'm genuinely not coming back to Ireland for Christmas.

Why? Because I think it's our responsibility to help control the spread of the virus so we can get back to normal sooner.

How is 'controlling the spread' by not going home for Christmas going to help get things back to normal? Just go home to your family, life's too short.

theological

theological wrote: »

Yes. I'm genuinely not coming back to Ireland for Christmas.

Why? Because I think it's our responsibility to help control the spread of the virus so we can get back to normal sooner.

You should consider going back to normal now and having a normal family Christmas.

I sincerely hope you have friends to spend Christmas with. I have spent Christmas in an empty house and it's utterly, utterly depressing.

lawrencesummers

theological wrote: »

Yes. I'm genuinely not coming back to Ireland for Christmas.

Why? Because I think it's our responsibility to help control the spread of the virus so we can get back to normal sooner.

Where do you live?

johnire

Life's too short? Very true but there again you don't want to make it even shorter for some people. Do you?

BeefeaterHat wrote: »

How is 'controlling the spread' by not going home for Christmas going to help get things back to normal? Just go home to your family, life's too short.

theological

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Where do you live?

In the UK.

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

You should consider going back to normal now and having a normal family Christmas.

I sincerely hope you have friends to spend Christmas with. I have spent Christmas in an empty house and it's utterly, utterly depressing.

I'll be spending Christmas with my wife at a minimum. Much better than lockdown 1 alone before we got married in the summer. My parents were also unable to join us for our wedding. I would have told them to stay safe at home even if they wanted to come. We've all made sacrifices. Hopefully 2021 will allow us to do more safely.

lawrencesummers

That’s your own call.

But I hope people don’t think they can’t safely come back for Christmas.

The real problem here is that the government are late getting testing established around air travel.

It should have happened months ago.

Clonmel1000

You can see the curtain twitching, the shaming, the moral judgements starting up already. What a fuxking country this is.

theological

lawrencesummers wrote: »

That’s your own call.

But I hope people don’t think they can’t safely come back for Christmas.

The real problem here is that the government are late getting testing established around air travel.

It should have happened months ago.

I'm aware. I still think travel restrictions should be law until this is under control.

Testing isn't a silver bullet either because you can test negative in first incubation period only to be positive later.

BeefeaterHat

theological wrote: »

I'm aware. I still think travel restrictions should be law until this is under control.

Testing isn't a silver bullet either because you can test negative in first incubation period only to be positive later.

You do realize how vague 'under control' is as a statement?

BeefeaterHat

johnire wrote: »

Life's too short? Very true but there again you don't want to make it even shorter for some people. Do you?

You don't think that's being a bit melodramatic?

virginmediapls

I, for one, will remember the selfish pricks who endangered the lives of others by travelling in the middle of this lockdown.

The usual suspects in this thread, bragging about their trips far and wide.

Ye are a disgrace.

fm

virginmediapls wrote: »

I, for one, will remember the selfish pricks who endangered the lives of others by travelling in the middle of this lockdown.

The usual suspects in this thread, bragging about their trips far and wide.

Ye are a disgrace.

Disgraceful post

Witchie

Next Friday night I will, all being well, be on a flight home from Malaysia.

Am completely torn over this because here I have a normal ish life. Tomorrow after work I will go to the pub, will be out all weekend seeing my friends and filling my boots before I go back to what is tantamount to prison compared to now.

But, I can't not go home. My parents reared 4 of us but could end up alone this Christmas if I don't go. My older brother and his wife are the only ones in Ireland now but both work in front line jobs so have to be so careful visiting our elderly parents. My younger siblings are both in Scotland and will Christmas together as my sister can't come home due to pregnancy.

My eldest son might be able to join us from Dublin but my youngest can't get a flight from France.

It's going to be pure misery, I don't want to leave here, especially not knowing when I will be allowed back over here but I don't know how many Christmases my parents have left and am not missing it with them.

I will quarantine, even though I am leaving a city of approximately 7 million with a 14 day incidence of covid of less than 250 people. There have been 19 deaths in my city whereas there have been similar numbers in my home county.

So anyone who wants to have a go at me, go for it. I spoke to my airline today and my flight is virtually empty. I will be in my transit airport for an hour and 20 minutes. I will be masked up and have sanitizer and gloves packed. I'm also a high risk category so I will take every precaution possible.

BeefeaterHat

virginmediapls wrote: »

I, for one, will remember the selfish pricks who endangered the lives of others by travelling in the middle of this lockdown.

The usual suspects in this thread, bragging about their trips far and wide.

Ye are a disgrace.

Save it for Joe Duffy tomorrow. Give him a call and bend his ear over it, maybe spare the language though it's daytime radio

lawrencesummers

theological wrote: »

I'm aware. I still think travel restrictions should be law until this is under control.

Testing isn't a silver bullet either because you can test negative in first incubation period only to be positive later.

Testing isn’t a Silver bullet, but the virus isn’t a death sentence either which people often forget.

BeefeaterHat

fm wrote: »

Disgraceful post

Careful now he might 'remember' you as well. Whatever gravitas him remembering someone has

Frank Bullitt

Been toying with travelling home for Christmas from Vancouver for what feels like a million years (probably since the summer). I have no siblings so each call home, the folks are always asking. The past while the tone has settled on it being very unlikely.

Silver lining is that their birthdays are a week apart in March/April, so that is the new (hopeful) goal for me getting back to Ireland.

It's not easy living away from home, and it has felt that bit harder this year knowing that the ability to do it felt unattainable. Having said that, making a sacrifice for the greater good overall feels like the right thing to do right now, so I can bear the brunt of a lesser Christmas for something a bit more enjoyable in the new year.

If anyone is in the same boat as me, I can feel your pain and fully get the feelings you experience during this time. It is not easy, but all will be well.

Hector Savage

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Are people really considering not coming home for Christmas because of this?
Take precautions, wear masks travelling, get a test before you travel, and one when you come back. Stay out of the pubs when your here if they are even open, have somewhere to isolate away from vulnerable people until results come back.


If Politicians can come back for golf, a child can see their parents this Christmas.


Life goes on.

PCR tests are €150/€200 a pop, gets very pricey for a family of 4 ... and maybe need them both ways ...