Will you travel? [Mod Note in Post #1 - Travel Discussion Only! Megathread]

jsoc

normanoffside wrote: »

Ireland 'South East' was added to Germany's 'no restrictions' list today alongside
Midlands, South-West, West which were added last week

https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/Risikogebiete_neu.html

I am not sure exactly what metrics they are using but i suspect it might be below 100/100k/14 days (as of a few days before the weekly list is published).

Dublin dropped below 100/100k/14 days a few days ago and if I'm right it'll e added to the German list next week.

Will report back.

Hoping to travel to Germany on 27th (and not have to quarantine) but even if Dublin is added to the list , will it stay on it for long I wonder

normanoffside

Talguetler wrote: »

Looks like the Randox testing is reliable for delivering results back on time? Supposed to be flying to Italy on the 19th and we need negative Covid19 tests. Half thinking of not bothering but my MIL will have an absolute melter...

You don’t need any tests travelling to Italy from Ireland btw (from the UK, yes).

Happydays2020

IrishHomer wrote: »

Has the Irish Government ever changed the rule about taking two weeks annual leave for civil service employees for isolating after returning to Ireland from a foreign country? Surely the instant test eliminated this?

https://assets.gov.ie/85129/4cadddf3-23f4-44a9-8ecb-2f7c04db3cf6.pdf#page21

UPDATED 4.5 What leave arrangements apply to civil and public servants on return from non-essential travel overseas?

The general travel advice remains to avoid non-essential travel.

Ireland has implemented the EU ‘traffic lights’ approach to travel, which applies to countries in the EU/EEA (+ UK). Anyone coming into Ireland (apart from Northern Ireland and individuals arriving in Ireland from locations with a security rating of normal precautions “green”), is required to restrict their movements for 14 days, unless they undergo a test and receive a negative result (see this link on gov.ie for more details of when the test can be taken) or meet certain other criteria which can be found at this link.

Responsibility to provide for the period of restricted movement arising from non- essential travel overseas is a matter for each individual employee.

In order to protect public health, employees are required to advise their employer of any intention to travel overseas. Where there is an intention to undertake non- essential travel overseas to a non “green” country, all employees must make provision by way of an annual leave or unpaid leave application for the period of restricted movement on return to Ireland, in line with the normal rules applying in the relevant sector. This arrangement is applicable to all civil and public servants regardless of whether they can work from home.

Should an employee return from a “green” country there will be no requirement to restrict their movements.
In all instances, employees should continue to notify their employer of any intention to travel overseas. The security rating of countries will be regularly reviewed and may change, and employees should be aware that whatever restricted movement requirements are in place on their date of return to Ireland will apply to them. Employees should log on to www.dfa.ie immediately prior to their return to Ireland to ensure they are fully apprised of any changes to the security rating of countries, and any necessary requirement to restrict their movements.

Candamir

Some info re Canary Islands/Spain

This is the link to the Spanish government site that publishes the ‘high risk’ country list. It will be published again by Monday (to cover the period 14/12/20 - 28/12/20) and Ireland won’t be on it. So that means no PCR requirement for Spain, including the Canary Islands. https://www.mscbs.gob.es/en/profesionales/saludPublica/ccayes/alertasActual/nCov/spth.htm

The government of the Canaries have a separate requirement to show either a negative PCR or antigen test taken within 72 hrs of reaching your tourist accommodation. A paper or digital cert from one of their approved centres is required (approved centres here: https://www.holaislascanarias.com/sites/default/files/covid19/Labs_Covid_Europa_eireann.pdf?_ga=2.39715427.1900440879.1607158011-1201747014.1606575631)

I’m going to plug V1medical.ie - rapid antigen test with results and cert within 30 minutes. It’s 5 minutes drive from Dublin airport - have the test on the way to the airport, by the time you get to the check-in you’ll have your cert.

KnicksInSix

normanoffside wrote: »

You don’t need any tests travelling to Italy from Ireland btw (from the UK, yes).

Thanks for this, our in-laws had us convinced that one of the new announcements yesterday along with all of the regional restrictions was tests required for everyone. We are very fed up of this whole thing tbh and at this stage I'm not sure it's worth all of the stress it'll cause for us and them.

normanoffside

Talguetler wrote: »

Thanks for this, our in-laws had us convinced that one of the new announcements yesterday along with all of the regional restrictions was tests required for everyone. We are very fed up of this whole thing tbh and at this stage I'm not sure it's worth all of the stress it'll cause for us and them.

http://www.italia.it/en/useful-info/covid-19-updates-information-for-tourists.html

The site says they are due and update on December 5th?

Citizens of EU countries, or people coming from Schengen territories, Andorra and Principality of Monaco can enter Italy without the need to justify the reasons for the trip and without the obligation of fiduciary isolation. It is however necessary to present a self-declaration.
With the exception of people entering from/returning from the following EU and extra Schengen countries:
- Belgium, France, the Netherlands, the Czech Republic, Spain, Northern Ireland and United Kingdom: travellers from these Countries must present a certificate of having had a molecular or antigenic test, with negative result within 72 hours of entering Italy:

Candamir

normanoffside wrote: »

Ireland 'South East' was added to Germany's 'no restrictions' list today alongside
Midlands, South-West, West which were added last week

https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/Risikogebiete_neu.html

I am not sure exactly what metrics they are using but i suspect it might be below 100/100k/14 days (as of a few days before the weekly list is published).

Dublin dropped below 100/100k/14 days a few days ago and if I'm right it'll e added to the German list next week.

Will report back.

The metric Germany uses is less than 50 per 100,000 in the past 7 days.

normanoffside

Talguetler wrote: »

Thanks for this, our in-laws had us convinced that one of the new announcements yesterday along with all of the regional restrictions was tests required for everyone. We are very fed up of this whole thing tbh and at this stage I'm not sure it's worth all of the stress it'll cause for us and them.

Look like you’re right; new rules to stop spread over Xmas require everyone to have a test from 10th December and from the 21st it’s 14 days quarantine regardless. Pretty draconian.
They do accept antigen tests though.


http://www.italia.it/en/useful-info/covid-19-updates-information-for-tourists.html

Candamir

Talguetler wrote: »

Thanks for this, our in-laws had us convinced that one of the new announcements yesterday along with all of the regional restrictions was tests required for everyone. We are very fed up of this whole thing tbh and at this stage I'm not sure it's worth all of the stress it'll cause for us and them.

It could be that your relative’s specific region in Italy have their own restrictions?

Each regional Governments may impose restrictions on travellers from certain foreign Countries or territories. Travellers intending to travel or return to Italy are advised to check whether any new provisions have been introduced by their region of destination, either by directly contacting the local authorities or checking out the respective websites. (click here).

Here’s the link to regional government from the above quote
http://www.regioni.it/regioni-online/


Edit: New Emergency decree:
http://www.governo.it/sites/new.governo.it/files/dpcm_20201203_txt.pdf
PCR or Antigen test required within 48 hours of beginning your journey to Italy.

normanoffside

Candamir wrote: »

The metric Germany uses is less than 50 per 100,000 in the past 7 days.

Thanks for clarifying. Dublin should definitely make the list next week, surprising it didn’t this week already.

KnicksInSix

Thanks all. Testing it is so. Ordinarily we wouldn't go but FIL is on his last legs and we have our place to stay alone/we won't socialise indoors until we've isolated and had a clear test after travel. Huge uptick in cases in our region (South Tyrol) the last few months but they did a mass test a few weeks ago and the non-symptomatic positives was quite low.

Candamir

Talguetler wrote: »

Thanks all. Testing it is so. Ordinarily we wouldn't go but FIL is on his last legs and we have our place to stay alone/we won't socialise indoors until we've isolated and had a clear test after travel. Huge uptick in cases in our region (South Tyrol) the last few months but they did a mass test a few weeks ago and the non-symptomatic positives was quite low.

Just reading this again Talguetler - the new rules in Italy from Dec 10 say you need to have your test before you travel - within 48 hrs of travel.

ENTRY IN ITALY FROM 10 DECEMBER: For entry into Italy, in case of stay or transit from the countries of list C in the previous 14 days, in addition to filling in a self-declaration, it is mandatory to undergo a molecular or antigen test, carried out by of swab and negative result, in the 48 hours prior to entry into the Italian territory. There is no fiduciary isolation upon arrival, but there remains the obligation to notify the prevention department of the local health company of their entry, as well as the obligation to fill out a self-declaration. In the event of failure to submit the certification relating to the prescribed molecular or antigenic test, you are subjected to fiduciary isolation and health surveillance.
http://www.viaggiaresicuri.it/approfondimenti-insights/saluteinviaggio

48 hours might be a bit tight to get a PCR and have the result before boarding the plane, so the Rapid Antigen test that I mentioned earlier might be a good fit.

KnicksInSix

Yeah we will be getting tested in Dublin within 48 hours of departure. What I meant there is that we will not be socialising with our family in Italy until we've had another clear test after a number of days in isolation in our own place. Thanks!

Ray Donovan

Lanzarote booked for June 29th. One way. No rush to come home. €130 for the flight from Dublin. Can't knock that.

I am strongly of the opinion we will still be in some sort of Living with Covid Level at that stage (I'll suggest Level 3 with modifications), Tony will be telling us the next 10 days are vital, restrict your movements , limit your contacts, don't travel, blah blah blah. Basically a rehash of Summer 2020. Remember when we were told just to stay at home for Summer 2020 to do our bit. When will they start doing that for 2021?

And the pubs definitely won't be open.

acequion

Ray Donovan wrote: »

Lanzarote booked for June 29th. One way. No rush to come home. €130 for the flight from Dublin. Can't knock that.

I am strongly of the opinion we will still be in some sort of Living with Covid Level at that stage (I'll suggest Level 3 with modifications), Tony will be telling us the next 10 days are vital, restrict your movements , limit your contacts, don't travel, blah blah blah. Basically a rehash of Summer 2020. Remember when we were told just to stay at home for Summer 2020 to do our bit. When will they start doing that for 2021?

And the pubs definitely won't be open.

Fair play to you Ray Donovan and nice to have something to look forward to.

But might I ask why you booked so far ahead? Are you afraid of very high fares? I plan to do a lot of travelling next summer regardless of what I have to do to do it. But I don't intend doing any booking until much nearer the time. I think it's impossible to predict how things will pan out. An optimistic or pessimistic scenario, either could be completely wrong.

Ray Donovan

acequion wrote: »

Fair play to you Ray Donovan and nice to have something to look forward to.

But might I ask why you booked so far ahead? Are you afraid of very high fares? I plan to do a lot of travelling next summer regardless of what I have to do to do it. But I don't intend doing any booking until much nearer the time. I think it's impossible to predict how things will pan out. An optimistic or pessimistic scenario, either could be completely wrong.

1. Im 100% going and that €130 fugure was acceptable to me so I jumped on it.

2. Teacher

Clonmel1000

Ray Donovan wrote: »

Lanzarote booked for June 29th. One way. No rush to come home. €130 for the flight from Dublin. Can't knock that.

I am strongly of the opinion we will still be in some sort of Living with Covid Level at that stage (I'll suggest Level 3 with modifications), Tony will be telling us the next 10 days are vital, restrict your movements , limit your contacts, don't travel, blah blah blah. Basically a rehash of Summer 2020. Remember when we were told just to stay at home for Summer 2020 to do our bit. When will they start doing that for 2021?

And the pubs definitely won't be open.

I won’t be staying at home for summer of 2021 I can tell you that here and now. By the way it’s the finger wagging fundamentalists among us who are the biggest obstacles to people travelling. The old Irish trait of moralistic judging of everyone who doesn’t conform with their narrow puritanical view of the world has resurfaced with bells on.

acequion

Ray Donovan wrote: »

1. Im 100% going and that €130 fugure was acceptable to me so I jumped on it.

2. Teacher

You mean you're a teacher? So am I :pac:

Ya I see what you mean. Each to their own way but I will wait til nearer the time and also when my plans are more concrete. As yet some of them are more dreams than plans.

But no way in this wide earthly world will I endure a summer like last! And I'm saying that as somebody who actually got out of this god foresaken country. For me living in Ireland is like working on an oil rig somewhere in the north sea. You work hard and put up with gloomy surroundings. But you get the hell away for your down time.

Roll on summer 2021!

Spanish Eyes

Maturity, not childishness will prevail, but everyone really needs to be careful and risk assess to their own levels.

Wantedbymany

Mrcaramelchoc wrote: »

Are you traveling outside of Ireland in the next few weeks?will you go now because the coronavirus is getting worse or will you cancel?
Im due to go to prague in 2 weeks and i don't know if i should?

Mod: It has been suggested to merge this with the main Corona thread, but I think a dedicated thread about travel has merit. If it becomes too much like the main thread, I'll just merge the two.

If you do not plan on getting the vaccine from what iv been reading online go because you may not be able to fly or use public transport or go to concerts if you do not have proof of getting the vaccines that is why this bs traffic light system is in place now with country's in europe,

johnire

If this is such a good forsaken country as some have called it then why stay? If as it seems your whole life seems to revolve around getting away then why not have just move to whatever Utopia of a country that you've discovered?

Credit Checker Moose

johnire wrote: »

If this is such a good forsaken country as some have called it then why stay? If as it seems your whole life seems to revolve around getting away then why not have just move to whatever Utopia of a country that you've discovered?

Typical of the travel shamers.

Some of us left years ago, but we still like to come back now and then.

sy_flembeck

Not content with leading a campaign against foreign travel and blaming all who went ryan now comes out with this. Only a couple of days after the good doctor told us not to blame people - having spent the best part of a year doing just that!

Politics or no politics, how many faces do these people have:

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/eamon-ryan-warns-against-flight-shaming-people-who-travel-home-for-christmas-39832539.html

johnire

How do you know I'm a flight shamer?
My post was nothing to do with the rights or wrongs of flying during a worldwide pandemic.
I was merely asking the question that if people appear to be so desperately unhappy living in this country then surely it's time to seriously consider moving to that place wherever it may be that they like so much more than here?
By your remarks you obviously have.

Credit Checker Moose wrote: »

Typical of the travel shamers.

Some of us left years ago, but we still like to come back now and then.

johnire

johnire wrote: »

If this is such a good forsaken country as some have called it then why stay? If as it seems your whole life seems to revolve around getting away then why not have just move to whatever Utopia of a country that you've discovered?

I love getting away, as much as I can.
Unfortunately I cannot live anywhere else as my job is here

Happydays2020

sy_flembeck wrote: »

Not content with leading a campaign against foreign travel and blaming all who went ryan now comes out with this. Only a couple of days after the good doctor told us not to blame people - having spent the best part of a year doing just that!

Politics or no politics, how many faces do these people have:

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/eamon-ryan-warns-against-flight-shaming-people-who-travel-home-for-christmas-39832539.html

I thought he was reasonably balanced in that article

johnire

Me too..... I absolutely adore travel but hand on heart if I loathed living in this country as much as others appear to do so then what job would be worth being that miserable?
Move to the country you love so much -people do it all the time. Get the same type of job, have a career change, maybe take a hit on your salary.... so what??.... being happy is more important.

bubblypop wrote: »

I love getting away, as much as I can.
Unfortunately I cannot live anywhere else as my job is here

caveat emptor

johnire wrote: »

If this is such a good forsaken country as some have called it then why stay? If as it seems your whole life seems to revolve around getting away then why not have just move to whatever Utopia of a country that you've discovered?

I'd say it's because the profit from return flights is greater than one way flights. Probably twice as much in fact.

johnire

johnire wrote: »

Me too..... I absolutely adore travel but hand on heart if I loathed living in this country as much as others appear to do so then what job would be worth being that miserable?
Move to the country you love so much -people do it all the time. Get the same type of job, have a career change, maybe take a hit on your salary.... so what??.... being happy is more important.

Ah I think you're taking it a bit too personally!
Most people are Not that miserable, they may just like other places more, doesn't mean they're ready to slit their wrists cos they live here! I find living here ok, but better when I can travel.
And I literally could not do my job in any other country

And I agree with ya, happiness is definitely more important

johnire

Maybe I am taking it a bit to heart! Point taken :-)
It does get on my nerves though a bit - I know Ireland isn't perfect but it's not the worst place in the world--far from it. Anyway hopefully things will settle down over the coming months and we can all enjoy our much deserved trips to wherever we want to go... I for one cannot wait to go!!!!

bubblypop wrote: »

Ah I think you're taking it a bit too personally!
Most people are Not that miserable, they may just like other places more, doesn't mean they're ready to slit their wrists cos they live here! I find living here ok, but better when I can travel.
And I literally could not do my job in any other country

And I agree with ya, happiness is definitely more important