Will you travel? [Mod Note in Post #1 - Travel Discussion Only! Megathread]

Red Silurian

faceman wrote: »

Approx 1% of cases relate to travel.

I think you'll find the first outbreak was not in Ireland, it came in here through travel, so your 1% figure is actually 100%

CruelSummer

colmtheperson wrote: »

Easy way out of that is too force the people coming in to pay for their quarantine, then it costs the taxpayer zero

Money doesn't grow on trees but as it stands (through the pup and wage subsidy schemes) the coffers are hemorrhaging money, I'd say their thinking is that it's cheaper to bail out the airlines and open the economy than bail out the economy and let the airlines look after themselves

So are you saying all it takes for us to open at Level 0/1 is that we just need to completely close our borders. Covid doesn't exist in Ireland?
Set up a permanent border with NI, good luck with that with the current situation at Larne. You'd have the dissident Republicans out next. Do you think we should exclude ourselves from all EU related travel unless people pay for their own quarantine into Ireland. And also limit goods coming in under the Zero Covid plan? And you think this would be good for our economy?
What about Covid rampaging in our hospital's and nursing homes? Do these cases magically disappear? What about under mandatory quarantine, when there's a case in Mayo - bam locked down for a week, then Kerry, same, then every other county. So under 'Zero Covid' we're locked down and destroying our economy with mandatory quarantine.
Do we have the resources to police every county and prevent people leaving if there's cases in multiple counties at the same time which will definitely happen. Don't forget in Australia, a woman was not allowed to enter Queensland to see her dying father. A woman lost her baby in Adelaide as she was not allowed to cross the border to Melbourne in a different state for specialist care. People recently went on holiday to a different state in Australia and they were left locked in there. I have family there and hear of the situation regularly. Are we really ok with this?

ninebeanrows

faceman wrote: »

Blows my mind that there were approx 10,000 positive cases of covid in Ireland last week

There is no mandatory quarantine of any of those people or their close contacts. No checks by anyone. God knows how many close contacts those 10,000 people had. 20,000? 30,000?

Approx 1% of cases relate to travel. All travellers are legally required to produce a negative PCR test on arrival. How many people travelling in to Ireland at the moment? 7,000 a week? Of which 1% will test positive? (Probably less now given the test requirement)

The public mob wants mandatory hotel stays for all travellers for 14 days yet remains silent on the positive cases and close contacts.

That's an excellent point. I heard it made on Radio 1 today.

We are putting very draconian measures on people who have a low risk of being carriers yet we have no legal requirements for people who are known to have the virus or their close contacts who are at a much increased risk of carrying the virus, much much higher than any incoming passenger.

Good point, I had never considered this before.

josip

colmtheperson wrote: »

I think you'll find the first outbreak was not in Ireland, it came in here through travel, so your 1% figure is actually 100%

Would some people prefer that we don't ever let anyone else come on to our island?
And that we only use what we can produce on our little island? No phones, no cars, no coffee...
Because that's the natural conclusion of the above logic.

NSAman

colmtheperson wrote: »

I think you'll find the first outbreak was not in Ireland, it came in here through travel, so your 1% figure is actually 100%

In that case we should sue the Chinese for letting it happen!

Plumbthedepths

josip wrote: »

Would some people prefer that we don't ever let anyone else come on to our island?
And that we only use what we can produce on our little island? No phones, no cars, no coffee...
Because that's the natural conclusion of the above logic.

Comely maids dancing at the crossroads, don't worry about the abject poverty. Be grand.

Micky 32

josip wrote: »

Would some people prefer that we don't ever let anyone else come on to our island?
And that we only use what we can produce on our little island? No phones, no cars, no coffee...
Because that's the natural conclusion of the above logic.

It’s quite unnerving to think that some posters on here actually would like to see our borders permanently shut and ban travel indefinately.

Am i right? Feel free to let yourselves be known, i’m quite curious.

theguzman

Micky 32 wrote: »

It’s quite unnerving to think that some posters on here actually would like to see our borders permanently shut indefinately.

With the UK musing about article 16 of the Withdrawal agreement the doom-merchants be about to experience their own wetdream if a hard border returns to the North.

Icepick

Anybody flied back transiting in the UK recently? How was it?

theguzman

Icepick wrote: »

Anybody flied back transiting in the UK recently? How was it?

Do you need a covid test to travel between the UK and Ireland within the CTA? We generally walk into the UK without any checks but the people landing in Ireland do get checked.

Icepick

I'd of course have a test but is there a problem in the UK if I need to collect my luggage and drop it for the Dublin flight (Ryanair)?

MarkY91

Guys could anyone help me out. In aware I need a negative PCR test upon arrival but do I need to show this test when leaving Colombia and again when in transit in Paris?

Tenzor07

Theboinkmaster wrote: »

The 5km limit will be gone around May IMO.

May? :eek:

Between mandatory quarantine, 5k limit, pub/restaurant closures etc., there's going to be no travel to or within Ireland in 2021..

Govt. need to announce the continuation of the PUP and business supports for the remainder of 2021 and into 2022 also...

Red Silurian

Micky 32 wrote: »

It’s quite unnerving to think that some posters on here actually would like to see our borders permanently shut indefinately.

Am i right? Feel free to let yourselves be known, i’m quite curious.

I wouldn't like to see that happen but a situation where people are forced to quarantine for a period is probably the best of both worlds no?

Red Silurian

NSAman wrote: »

In that case we should sue the Chinese for letting it happen!

Sue a nation because a virus started within their borders? Seems a bit harsh...

Micky 32

colmtheperson wrote: »

I wouldn't like to see that happen but a situation where people are forced to quarantine for a period is probably the best of both worlds no?

So basically you’re saying yes to permanent travel bans?

Micky 32

Tenzor07 wrote: »

May? :eek:

Between mandatory quarantine, 5k limit, pub/restaurant closures etc., there's going to be no travel to or within Ireland in 2021..

Govt. need to announce the continuation of the PUP and business supports for the remainder of 2021 and into 2022 also...

You’re such a ray of sunshine. I’d love to invite you to parties you’d be great craic :pac:

Credit Checker Moose

I think some people are looking forward to a hard border with NI. Back to the bad old days.

Tenzor07

Micky 32 wrote: »

You’re such a ray of sunshine. I’d love to invite you to parties you’d be great craic :pac:

Parties/social gatherings not permitted until at least August..

Micky 32

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Parties/social gatherings not permitted until at least August..

No **** sherlock, you know what i meant , it was sarcasm. :pac:

faceman

colmtheperson wrote: »

I think you'll find the first outbreak was not in Ireland, it came in here through travel, so your 1% figure is actually 100%

And it’s posters like this that prove my point. Relinquishing personal responsibility.

You’ll find you’re wrong too. But don’t let truth get in the way of a good rant

Also by your logic we should just stop contact tracing and reporting :rolleyes:

Red Silurian

Micky 32 wrote: »

So basically you’re saying yes to permanent travel bans?

No, I'm saying let travel continue, just restrict what happens when somebody travels here

faceman wrote: »

And it’s posters like this that prove my point. Relinquishing personal responsibility.

You’ll find you’re wrong too. But don’t let truth get in the way of a good rant

Also by your logic we should just stop contact tracing and reporting :rolleyes:

My logic is that the virus came here from outside the country and all cases are then linked to those that came in

But yeah read it whatever way your brain allows

faceman

colmtheperson wrote: »

My logic is that the virus came here from outside the country and all cases are then linked to those that came in

But yeah read it whatever way your brain allows

So is it ok for for close contacts and confirmed cases to not be mandated to self isolated? Given the risk they carry is far higher from close contacts and confirmed cases than those who travel (per WHO, ECDC), shouldn’t we put all those people in a detention facility too?

Red Silurian

faceman wrote: »

So is it ok for for close contacts and confirmed cases to not be mandated to self isolated? Given the risk they carry is far higher from close contacts and confirmed cases than those who travel (per WHO, ECDC), shouldn’t we put all those people in a detention facility too?

You're suggesting close contacts don't need to self-isolate because we're stopping the spread from travel? On what basis?

Red Silurian

faceman wrote: »

And it’s posters like this that prove my point. Relinquishing personal responsibility.

You’ll find you’re wrong too. But don’t let truth get in the way of a good rant

Also by your logic we should just stop contact tracing and reporting :rolleyes:

If those who came home last year from Spain over the summer and England over Christmas were personally responsible we wouldn't be where we are now

But don't let the truth get in the way of a good rant lol

Responder XY

colmtheperson wrote: »

You're suggesting close contacts don't need to self-isolate because we're stopping the spread from travel? On what basis?

I think he's saying the exact opposite.

Red Silurian

Responder XY wrote: »

I think he's saying the exact opposite.

He's making very little sense one way or another

Serious question, do people really believe that travel only accounts for 1% of our cases? Or that the virus came here because some Chinese people coughed hard enough and blew it over here?

Plumbthedepths

Sometimes you can look at someone's comments and realise any engagement is a waste of time and effort.

HeidiHeidi

colmtheperson wrote: »

He's making very little sense one way or another

Serious question, do people really believe that travel only accounts for 1% of our cases? Or that the virus came here because some Chinese people coughed hard enough and blew it over here?

I believe the old saying that there's lies, damned lies, and statistics.

Every faction can (and regularly does) come up with a percentage that suits their particular argument - it's not travel, it's not the pubs, it's not schools, etc etc etc.

Fact is, they never traced cases back far enough to find where they seeded, resulting in "house parties" or "family gatherings" getting the blame, and then when they couldn't even pin that much down, community transmission was the catch-all.

But at the end of the day, close proximity and airborne transmission is what spreads the virus, and personal behaviour is what limits it.

(Apologies if that's a bit too O/T for the travel forum)

DulchieLaois

Excuses soo far given by the Government since last year.

HOSPITALITY
GAA
COMMUNIONS
FUNERALS
GARDEN PARTIES
INTERNATIONAL TRAVELLING

What they fail to mention, Nursing Homes and Hospitals.
Because, they are under the responsibility of the Government.

Government will do their livin best, to blame everything else and not themselves.

And they still want to ensure they top up their own wages, and to go on trips to the USA for Paddies Day.