Will you travel? [Mod Note in Post #1 - Travel Discussion Only! Megathread]

scouserstation

A lot of people quoting the New Zealand model here but most dont seem to realise there was a tourism bubble with Australia as well as Pacific islands, giving plenty of holiday options for people over there,

In this country we are simply just going to close up our tourism and travel options which we depend on from an economic and sociological point of view, and just hope that everything will be grand and eventually go back to normal, I dont think people realise what we are sleepwalking ourselves into here, this plan is doomed to fail,

Come summer time thousands are going to want to travel and many will risk the backlash out of either want or necessity, we can either choose to ignore this or come up with a proper solution for the tourism season, safe travel corridors or tourism bubbles with other countries with a similar rate as our own

bluescat

Protect children from torture at "home". Had 27 years of it.

I do NOT wish to be "protected" from a flu.

I wish no child has to suffer the way I did.

Old terrorists dying, and "their" children being free is a win win.
End of.

Del Griffith

Bria Unsightly Paragraph wrote: »

Gosh yes, it couldn't possibly be people worried about travel spreading covid. Because that wouldn't suit your narrative or that of the idiot cheerleaders supporting your silly post.

They are in Gran Canaria until May they said. What is there for the worry wort Irish to worry about?

Absolutely pathetic begrudging misery merchants is what those giving out were, end of story.

caveat emptor

For those wishing to follow in the footsteps of Una and Frank a word of caution. They might not have been completely truthful in their account and look as though they've embellished their story to suit their narrative.

If you look closely you can see Una walking on the pier. Also there'll probably be a follow up episodes where Joe calls them to check how the mandatory hotel quarantine is going. This saga looks set to continue for the foreseeable.

The rain has also fallen intensely in some parts of Gran Canaria such as Las Palmas de Gran Canaria or Telde, where for years residents of the area have not seen water running through the Ojos de Garza ravine.

https://twitter.com/RTVCes/status/1357463481595944961?s=20

Happydays2020

normanoffside wrote: »

Are Irish people worried about people spreading Covid to Gran Canaria?

In both cases they were staying there for the long haul.

Even if that's what they are worried about their concerns are misplaced because both callers had negative tests before travelling and were living alone out there (or in frank's case, with his wife)

I just don’t know where this bitterness is coming from. Is this an Ireland that one would want to live in? As someone above said it seems to be a case of ‘my life is miserable, and I want yours to be miserable too’.

Issybelle

The bitterness may be coming from the fact that so many people tried to do the right thing and follow the guidelines. Unfortunately, it only takes a few who are not following the guidelines to spread the virus. We wanted Christmas. We got Christmas. And now everyone is complaining about the restrictions. Front line workers put themselves on the line everyday and it must be disheartening to hear that some people are unwilling to sacrifice a holiday or a party.

c68zapdsm5i1ru

Happydays2020 wrote: »

I just don’t know where this bitterness is coming from. Is this an Ireland that one would want to live in? As someone above said it seems to be a case of ‘my life is miserable, and I want yours to be miserable too’.

Or a case of people saying 'I'm making endless sacrifices to try and stop this thing spreading, and those sacrifices are being undermined by selfish twats who have decided the rules don't apply to them'

c68zapdsm5i1ru

Del Griffith wrote: »

They are in Gran Canaria until May they said. What is there for the worry wort Irish to worry about?

Absolutely pathetic begrudging misery merchants is what those giving out were, end of story.

So you think it's OK for people to travel around all over the place on non essential trips as long as they're staying at their destination for at least 3 months?

Happydays2020

Bria Unsightly Paragraph wrote: »

So you think it's OK for people to travel around all over the place on non essential trips as long as they're staying at their destination for at least 3 months?

What if someone has a house there? Or in the south of Spain, and normally lives part of the year there?

c68zapdsm5i1ru

Happydays2020 wrote: »

What if someone has a house there? Or in the south of Spain, and normally lives part of the year there?

If someone has a holiday home in Kerry they're not supposed to travel there during lockdowns to try and reduce spread of the virus.
Why is it OK for someone to travel to their villa in Spain?

I normally travel in and out to work everyday, I can't at the moment. Kids normally go to school everyday, they can't at the moment. People normally visit seriously ill family in hospital, they can't at the moment.

These aren't normal times and what we 'normally' do isn't the priority. Saving lives is.

Happydays2020

Bria Unsightly Paragraph wrote: »

If someone has a holiday home in Kerry they're not supposed to travel there during lockdowns to try and reduce spread of the virus.
Why is it OK for someone to travel to their villa in Spain?

I normally travel in and out to work everyday, I can't at the moment. Kids normally go to school everyday, they can't at the moment. People normally visit seriously ill family in hospital, they can't at the moment.

These aren't normal times and what we 'normally' do isn't the priority. Saving lives is.

Who says it is a holiday home? I spent 8 years living between two countries. We are living in a bigger country of 27 MS where people have links for economic and personal reasons.

Saving lives? - quite frankly the biggest cause of loss of life was not people travelling but rather people mixing in private homes. People who socialised over November and December and then went round all the houses around Christmas - travel is a convenient excuse. We knew on 19th December that things were going in a wrong direction and still people mixed. I am far more pissed off with people who are having parties every day of the week than people who travel to Spain to their other home for good reason and engage in safe behaviour.

agoodpunt

the inhome spreaders & grannyhuggers y we are in lockdown not the singles and couples going on holidays to the canaries.

With zero contact tracing we better lock everyone up great plan families only matter

normanoffside

Bria Unsightly Paragraph wrote: »

If someone has a holiday home in Kerry they're not supposed to travel there during lockdowns to try and reduce spread of the virus.
Why is it OK for someone to travel to their villa in Spain?

I normally travel in and out to work everyday, I can't at the moment. Kids normally go to school everyday, they can't at the moment. People normally visit seriously ill family in hospital, they can't at the moment.

These aren't normal times and what we 'normally' do isn't the priority. Saving lives is.

What do you make of Captain Tom going to Barbados before Christmas?

A lot people seem to say fair play to him but then are outraged about Una and Frank

BTownB

Bria Unsightly Paragraph wrote: »

If someone has a holiday home in Kerry they're not supposed to travel there during lockdowns to try and reduce spread of the virus.
Why is it OK for someone to travel to their villa in Spain?

I normally travel in and out to work everyday, I can't at the moment. Kids normally go to school everyday, they can't at the moment. People normally visit seriously ill family in hospital, they can't at the moment.

These aren't normal times and what we 'normally' do isn't the priority. Saving lives is.

You're situation is completely different from these older people who are retired and no longer have dependents.

You have kids, you will need to work, so you can't leave for 3,4,5,6 months. I'm the same. Stuck in Ireland.

But Frank and Una aren't endangering anyone. They can quarantine for 14 days on either side of their trip because they don't work.

Unfortunately, we are not all fortunate enough to be able to do this. But that's life and that's OK.

Baggly

bluescat wrote: »

Protect children from torture at "home". Had 27 years of it.

I do NOT wish to be "protected" from a flu.

I wish no child has to suffer the way I did.

Old terrorists dying, and "their" children being free is a win win.
End of.

Mod

Get back on topic or dont post here again.

agoodpunt

is that a mothers and baby home post?

Baggly

agoodpunt wrote: »

is that a mothers and baby home post?

Mod

Back on topic please.

daydorunrun

caveat emptor wrote: »

For those wishing to follow in the footsteps of Una and Frank a word of caution. They might not have been completely truthful in their account and look as though they've embellished their story to suit their narrative.

If you look closely you can see Una walking on the pier. Also there'll probably be a follow up episodes where Joe calls them to check how the mandatory hotel quarantine is going. This saga looks set to continue for the foreseeable.



https://twitter.com/RTVCes/status/1357463481595944961?s=20

That’s hilarious, whatever quenches your ire. Gran Canaria is not Ireland- bad weather doesn’t come in and last for months at a time, it rolls through and the sun comes back out.

normanoffside

BTownB wrote: »

You're situation is completely different from these older people who are retired and no longer have dependents.

You have kids, you will need to work, so you can't leave for 3,4,5,6 months. I'm the same. Stuck in Ireland.

But Frank and Una aren't endangering anyone. They can quarantine for 14 days on either side of their trip because they don't work.

Unfortunately, we are not all fortunate enough to be able to do this. But that's life and that's OK.

People like them deserve to enjoy their retirement. They might not have many years left and life for them in Ireland is miserable.

c68zapdsm5i1ru

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Who says it is a holiday home? I spent 8 years living between two countries. We are living in a bigger country of 27 MS where people have links for economic and personal reasons.

Saving lives? - quite frankly the biggest cause of loss of life was not people travelling but rather people mixing in private homes. People who socialised over November and December and then went round all the houses around Christmas - travel is a convenient excuse. We knew on 19th December that things were going in a wrong direction and still people mixed. I am far more pissed off with people who are having parties every day of the week than people who travel to Spain to their other home for good reason and engage in safe behaviour.

I should also add that if someone has another home on Kerry and decides to go there it is perfectly ok. Lots of people have left Dublin and gone to second homes or family home.

The point I’m really trying to make is that restrictions are in place for a reason and people making individual risk assessments and then just ignoring the restrictions cause wider problems for those trying to enforce them.
Calling people who are concerned about this miserable and begrudgers and curtain twitchers etc is deeply unfair. Many of them are just understandably concerned about creating an environment where everyone thinks the restrictions are just some kind of rough guide but it’s up to individuals to make up their own mind. Some people could probably be trusted to make sensible decisions but many, as we saw over Christmas can’t.

daydorunrun

Bria Unsightly Paragraph wrote: »

Or a case of people saying 'I'm making endless sacrifices to try and stop this thing spreading, and those sacrifices are being undermined by selfish twats who have decided the rules don't apply to them'

I used to think like you in the beginning, time has changed that though. The government are delighted with your attitude and direction your anger is being directed.....because it takes the heat off their mis management of health service/nursing homes/vaccines. We want to burn people at the stake who travel safely (pre/ post testing, isolating and not living a life abroad that is conducive to Covid spread).
Out of interest do you believe people who get a positive test should be forced by law to self isolate?
Or what about people who are called for a test as a close contact but refuse to go? One step further- somebody gets a positive test and continues to go to shops etc. Should they be removed from society into quarantine?
People not doing everything they can/should is a far bigger problem then some oap’s living out some Months of their golden years In the sun before returning here after being tested.
People really seem to think us hiding away will get rid of this virus...... it won’t. We need to live with it.

bladespin

Bria Unsightly Paragraph wrote: »

Calling people who are concerned about this miserable and begrudgers and curtain twitchers etc is deeply unfair.

The same could justifiably be said of those judging others without the slightest insight to their reasons for travelling.

Tenzor07

Much safer traveling to the Canaries to stay there for a few months than to stay here, with lower population density, a modern healthcare system, great weather and low infection rates it's ideal for those who can stay for a longer period, they may even get vaccinated quicker over there than Ireland too...

Golfman64

Some positive news from the UK this morning with vaccine passports and a resumption of travel to many European destinations looking increasingly likely from May/June.

Given it’s only early Feb, this is some much needed positivity for the industry. I can see Europe following suit.

polesheep

Golfman64 wrote: »

Some positive news from the UK this morning with vaccine passports and a resumption of travel to many European destinations looking increasingly likely from May/June.

Given it’s only early Feb, this is some much needed positivity for the industry. I can see Europe following suit.

Do you have a link to that? Thanks.

caveat emptor

daydorunrun wrote: »

That’s hilarious, whatever quenches your ire. Gran Canaria is not Ireland- bad weather doesn’t come in and last for months at a time, it rolls through and the sun comes back out.

Thanks. Thought so. Can't wait for the second instalment when Una and Frank try to navigate quarantine and Joe calls them each day and inevitably asks...
"If you new what you know now , would you have gone"

It's probably the most awaited sequel since the Empire strikes back.

gozunda

Tazz T wrote: »

All the media hyping the nz model with gigs and bars open. No one can leave no one enters indefinitely. They are just delaying the inevitable.The key message is the same as it was at the beginning: flatten the curve til the virus burns itself out like every virus in human history. Be careful, vaccinate, protect and bolster the health services and balance the economy with rationale health policies.
Fining people for travelling instead of investing in health infrastructure is piss poor government. One that will be seen in years and elections to come.

If you read the comment in full and not just the bit you quoted - you'll find out the New Zealand approach wasn't included for the "hype" rather as just one of several examples.

That said if we take the fines of those stupid enough to travel in the midst of a pandemic- then we can use that money to cover health care costs of those who get sick whilst travelling and help take some of the pressure off our healthcare system.

landofthetree

Yep. Via Belfast airport in July.

daydorunrun

caveat emptor wrote: »

Thanks. Thought so. Can't wait for the second instalment when Una and Frank try to navigate quarantine and Joe calls them each day and inevitably asks...
"If you new what you know now , would you have gone"

It's probably the most awaited sequel since the Empire strikes back.

Your showing your age there!

Turn away from the dark side young Padawan.

I'm sure Frank and Una will be grand navigating their own houses for two weeks or 5 days with a test. Unless you think the Empire will introduce detention centres for OAP's with negitive PCR's coming from areas of low infection?

Bria Unsightly Paragraph

Bria Unsightly Paragraph wrote: »

So you think it's OK for people to travel around all over the place on non essential trips as long as they're staying at their destination for at least 3 months?

Yes. I don’t begrudge people going away to see out the lockdown elsewhere. I am doing so myself in a couple of weeks and don’t plan returning for a while

And self isolating and testing as appropriate each side of the journey