Will you travel? [Mod Note in Post #1 - Travel Discussion Only! Megathread]

Plumbthedepths

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Whoever the crazy man that was on The Tonight Show at the end said to try and tell us to stay at home because look at Algarve for an example, no cases a few weeks ago now loads cases.

They have had cases since February

Saw him, Luke O' Neill must have fallen out of favour due to his okay attitude with flying.

Gael23

Going to wait until next summer but I agree Holohan needs to be sacked

Stephen Donnelly on Newstalk m playing the ‘I’m new in this job and don’t know anything yet’ card.

Cabinet meeting on Monday re. travel and quarantine

But at least he ruled out the crazy suggestion this morning of forced quarantine in an airport hotel

I see sheep

Does anyone know if there are temperature checks at airports?

Benimar

Gael23 wrote: »

Going to wait until next summer but I agree Holohan needs to be sacked

Why?

faceman

I see sheep wrote: »

Does anyone know if there are temperature checks at airports?

Not in Ireland

Wallander

Well the idea that it was convenient for Ireland to hide behind the CTA to ignore the EU travel reopening plan didn't last too long...

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/07/01/75-countries-exempted-quarantine-individual-air-bridge-plan/

"Individual air bridges will be effectively abandoned by the Government, as it emerged that as many as 75 countries will be on the first quarantine exemption list for British holidaymakers.

The list, to be published on Thursday or Friday, will lift the Foreign Office ban on non-essential travel to nearly all EU destinations, the British territories including Bermuda and Gibraltar, and Turkey, Thailand, Australia and New Zealand."

Wallander

Wallander wrote: »

Well the idea that it was convenient for Ireland to hide behind the CTA to ignore the EU travel reopening plan didn't last too long...

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/07/01/75-countries-exempted-quarantine-individual-air-bridge-plan/

"Individual air bridges will be effectively abandoned by the Government, as it emerged that as many as 75 countries will be on the first quarantine exemption list for British holidaymakers.

The list, to be published on Thursday or Friday, will lift the Foreign Office ban on non-essential travel to nearly all EU destinations, the British territories including Bermuda and Gibraltar, and Turkey, Thailand, Australia and New Zealand."

Not the USA though, importantly, or any S American or Middle East destinations on that list. There are around 15 or 20 overseas territories that will be included (places like Ascension Island and St Helena). So might not seem as crazy as first looks

But, yes, if Ireland doesn’t participate in any agreements we will be well and truly out in the cold

smurfjed

EASA’S latest instructions regarding operational guidelines.


https://www.easa.europa.eu/sites/default/files/dfu/EASA-ECDC_COVID-19_Operational%20guidelines%20for%20management%20of%20passengers_v2.pdf

copeyhagen

when you land in spain theres temp checks, in malaga anyway.

ninebeanrows

Thank god the Brits are going to force the hand of the government.

ZX7R

Wallander wrote: »

Well the idea that it was convenient for Ireland to hide behind the CTA to ignore the EU travel reopening plan didn't last too long...

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/07/01/75-countries-exempted-quarantine-individual-air-bridge-plan/

"Individual air bridges will be effectively abandoned by the Government, as it emerged that as many as 75 countries will be on the first quarantine exemption list for British holidaymakers.

The list, to be published on Thursday or Friday, will lift the Foreign Office ban on non-essential travel to nearly all EU destinations, the British territories including Bermuda and Gibraltar, and Turkey, Thailand, Australia and New Zealand."

Our government did state when the vote was made in regards to EU travel that they would work in tandem with the UK

faceman

Donnelly was talking about travel on Morning Ireland. He said that not everyone is the EU was taking the same position and gave Denmark as an example of a country who has closed borders

But this is incorrect. Denmark opened its borders for EU travel on June 27th with the exception of Sweden and Portugal.

jonnny68

tonysopprano wrote: »

Just as well that all of us that don't have cervix, don't trust him, but the half of the rest, that do seem to trust him, even after his history of selling them out, and would still trust him in their ??

His side-kick, in all those press conferences, from the March start, drove from Sligo every day, in contravention of all government and health laws and advisories, but the rules were only for us not "THE RULING ELITE"

Really, i didn't know that, not that im one bit surprised, one law for the elite and one for everyone else.

Holohan comes across as someone who seems to thrive on doom and gloom, other medical experts have since come forward and stated that there's no scientific evidence why people cannot travel to resorts where there's a very low or zero cases of coronavirus , the sceptics amongst us might say the government are in the background pulling the strings here wanting people to stay in Ireland so people would be spending money here and not abroad,but completely ignoring the fact that people have booked and paid for holidays and wont get a refund, plus more people would lose their jobs in travel industry if people arent travelling abroad, and of course with so many supposedly staying at home there's a greater chance of popular holiday resorts here being packed which increases the chance of a spike in infections.

So to conclude the government and Holohans approach to this is completely flawed and devoid of any sense,as previously mentiined other medical experts have said international travel is safe to countries with low covid rates.

lawrencesummers

Friend flew in from Chicago.
Passport checked, nothing else.

I’m pretty sure we don’t have any Actual travel restrictions in place outside of announcements and hollow talk.

A real pity because of the nature of our geography and compliance with lockdown that we have Almost eliminated the virus Only to leave ourselves wide open with little or no restrictions on travel.

You can be sure Michael O'Leary won’t Be picking up the tab for the next outbreak of infections.

Be nice to see the Irish hotels federation, and restaurant association bring in guidelines where they won’t accept bookings from people that are not on the list of countries that the EU deemed safe.

If the government are not going to actually enforce the rules it can be up to individual businesses to do so.

Wallander

faceman wrote: »

Donnelly was talking about travel on Morning Ireland. He said that not everyone is the EU was taking the same position and gave Denmark as an example of a country who has closed borders

But this is incorrect. Denmark opened its borders for EU travel on June 27th with the exception of Sweden and Portugal.

Ireland's position at this stage is uniquely illegal under EU law, under which the free movement of people and supporting a free market are fundamental rights. Its one thing to close a border at the peak of the pandemic when businesses are closed anyway but blocking the entire continent from coming here when businesses are running again (including countries with better infection figures) has no legal grounding.

smurfjed

Muslim ramadan/Haj tourists

Saudi Arabia closed their boarders on the 15th March, so there was no Umrah travel and Hajj hasn’t started yet, nor will it start this year for international passengers.

Tenzor07

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Friend flew in from Chicago.
Passport checked, nothing else.

I’m pretty sure we don’t have any Actual travel restrictions in place outside of announcements and hollow talk.
A real pity because of the nature of our geography and compliance with lockdown that we have Almost eliminated the virus Only to leave ourselves wide open with little or no restrictions on travel.
You can be sure Michael O'Leary won’t Be picking up the tab for the next outbreak of infections.
Be nice to see the Irish hotels federation, and restaurant association bring in guidelines where they won’t accept bookings from people that are not on the list of countries that the EU deemed safe.
If the government are not going to actually enforce the rules it can be up to individual businesses to do so.

So you decided to fly into Ireland from a virus hotspot yet you are calling for a strict travel lockdown? I assume you're going into self-isolation for 14 days so as not to spread the virus from the U.S?

Also having a go at Ryanair, did you fly in from the U.S with Aer Lingus? Why not have a go at them and ask AL to pay for the next round of infections?

It's not up to private business to enforce laws, only follow them. We have a new government with no less than 19 "Junior" ministers, and also a 60 person Seanad all on extremely great salaries with massive pensions and benefits.

jonnny68

Wallander wrote: »

Ireland's position at this stage is uniquely illegal under EU law, under which the free movement of people and supporting a free market are fundamental rights. Its one thing to close a border at the peak of the pandemic when businesses are closed anyway but blocking the entire continent from coming here when businesses are running again (including countries with better infection figures) has no legal grounding.

Let's hope the EU put pressure on them so they can stop this nonsensical rubbish asking people not to travel, by all means draw up a list where travel is forbidden to and from countries where there is still a high rate of cases, but to suggest that people shouldn't travel anywhere outside the country is nothing short of ludicrous, completely and utterly devoid of any sense or logic in the slightest.

lawrencesummers

Tenzor07 wrote: »

So you decided to fly into Ireland from a virus hotspot yet you are calling for a strict travel lockdown? I assume you're going into self-isolation for 14 days so as not to spread the virus from the U.S?

Also having a go at Ryanair, did you fly in from the U.S with Aer Lingus? Why not have a go at them and ask AL to pay for the next round of infections?

It's not up to private business to enforce laws, only follow them. We have a new government with no less than 19 "Junior" ministers, and also a 60 person Seanad all on extremely great salaries with massive pensions and benefits.

So you didn’t read the post and then went off on one.

And then decided to take a political opinion and bash that around.

tom1ie

jonnny68 wrote: »

Let's hope the EU put pressure on them so they can stop this nonsensical rubbish asking people not to travel, by all means draw up a list where travel is forbidden to and from countries where there is still a high rate of cases, but to suggest that people shouldn't travel anywhere outside the country is nothing short of ludicrous, completely and utterly devoid of any sense or logic in the slightest.

Why is it ludicrous?
People shouldn’t be travelling outside the country unless it’s essential.
A couple of weeks in the sun is not essential.
There is a pandemic on so we need to restrict travel and keep infection rates low in Ireland.
It’s pretty obvious tbf.

Tenzor07

lawrencesummers wrote: »

So you didn’t read the post and then went off on one.

And then decided to take a political opinion and bash that around.

So did your friend self isolate?

Tenzor07

tom1ie wrote: »

Why is it ludicrous?
People shouldn’t be travelling outside the country unless it’s essential.
A couple of weeks in the sun is not essential.
There is a pandemic on so we need to restrict travel and keep infection rates low in Ireland.
It’s pretty obvious tbf.

Because a travel ban would have a negligible impact on public health and that it's a very odd time to bring it in when most EU countries have an R rate the same as Ireland or lower?

facehugger99

tom1ie wrote: »

Why is it ludicrous?
People shouldn’t be travelling outside the country unless it’s essential.
A couple of weeks in the sun is not essential.
There is a pandemic on so we need to restrict travel and keep infection rates low in Ireland.
It’s pretty obvious tbf.

You are totally free not to travel.

Please don't try to restrict the rest of us who are not being governed by fear and hysteria.

tom1ie

facehugger99 wrote: »

You are totally free not to travel.

Please don't try to restrict the rest of us who are not being governed by fear and hysteria.

Your decisions could have a direct impact on others that have decided to follow the health guidelines. So yeah you should be called out.

jonnny68

tom1ie wrote: »

Why is it ludicrous?
People shouldn’t be travelling outside the country unless it’s essential.
A couple of weeks in the sun is not essential.
There is a pandemic on so we need to restrict travel and keep infection rates low in Ireland.
It’s pretty obvious tbf.

It's completely ludicrous in so many regards.

1: Many resorts like Lanzarote for example have zero cases on covid-19 at present, yes ZERO, so you've about as much chance winning the lotto than catching the virus.

2: Everyone has to wear a mask on a plane you wont get on one without one,most flights would be lucky to be half full so it's as safe as getting on a train, luas or bus here.

3: With everyone supposedly staying in Ireland this year, popular holiday resorts will be far far busier than usual, this alone would greatly increase a spike in infections as opposed to a half full holiday report abroad with zero cases.

4: People who have already booked and paid for holidays, they arent going to be covered by insurance so stand to lose a lot of money, should they just suck it up and lose their money.

5:Job losses - what about the jobs already lost in the travel industry, thousands more jobs would be lost if people arent travelling abroad, should these people just suck it up.

6: Last but not least - a number of other medical experts in Ireland and Europe have since come forward and said international travel to countries with a low rate of covid-19 should be allowed, completely contradicting the ridiculous stance the Government / Holohan are taking here.

So is that enough reasons for you or do you want me to continue.

tom1ie

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Because a travel ban would have a negligible impact on public health and that it's a very odd time to bring it in when most EU countries have an R rate the same as Ireland or lower?

And when you go abroad will you be SDing the same as you would back home?
What about airports and on the plane how will you SD there?
When you get to Spain (or wherever) and you start to mingle with British or Russian (for example) tourists, have your chances of catching the virus and bringing it back to Ireland increased?
Of course they have.

TheDriver

tom1ie wrote: »

When you get to Spain (or wherever) and you start to mingle with British or Russian (for example) tourists, have your chances of catching the virus and bringing it back to Ireland increased?
.

When you get to Killarney, you'll be mixing with all the American and British tourists who have already come into the country.

tom1ie

TheDriver wrote: »

When you get to Killarney, you'll be mixing with all the American and British tourists who have already come into the country.

American and British tourists should be banned from coming here but nothing seems to have been done about it. Not sure what can be done about uk tourists coming here anyway as we have a land border.

Doesn’t mean going abroad during a pandemic is a good idea though.

Tenzor07

tom1ie wrote: »

And when you go abroad will you be SDing the same as you would back home?
What about airports and on the plane how will you SD there?
When you get to Spain (or wherever) and you start to mingle with British or Russian (for example) tourists, have your chances of catching the virus and bringing it back to Ireland increased?
Of course they have.

When I go abroad i'll be SD'ing more than I would here and be extra cautious, mask on in and outdoors, unlike here in Ireland where masks aren't worn.

Airports are cleaner than shopping centers, they have been working flat out in Dublin to have the place as clean as a doctors surgery.. Actually probably more so.
Aircraft cabins are disinfected daily, crew and passengers wear masks.. Can we say the same for a Dublin bus?

Brits and certainly Russians aren't allowed in the EU so chances of mingling with them are probably the same as in Dublin City center.

I can WFH so very easy to keep minimal contacts for 14 days upon return.