Will you travel? [Mod Note in Post #1 - Travel Discussion Only! Megathread]

Tenzor07

seamus wrote: »

"Going to the south of Spain and lying by the pool drinking cocktails is essential for my mental health". Have you ever heard such precious bollox in your life?
I wonder how our grandparents survived when every summer holiday was visiting family in West Cork and still having to do two weeks work.

Amazing points, but just imagine now if people never traveled...never left Africa and traveled into Europe all those thousands of years ago, where would we be now eh?

Red Silurian

Nermal wrote: »

I guess we're lucky our Celtic ancestors occasionally left their caves in the face of the risk of death from infection from minor scratches.

Absolutely comical, this idea that one is taking the 'brave' choice by huddling indoors.

Keep on, your sacrifice is inspiring!

As opposed to the poor precious darlings who'll get sick if they don't see the Spanish sun once a year?

You've also made the very good point about facing danger for necessity ie food and facing danger due to stupidity ie brushing a t-rexs teeth

Red Silurian

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Amazing points, but just imagine now if people never traveled...never left Africa and traveled into Europe all those thousands of years ago, where would we be now eh?

Africa, in the sun, debating risky travel to the baron lands of Ireland to escape the summer sun of our own country

Tenzor07

colmtheperson wrote: »

Africa, in the sun, debating risky travel to the baron lands of Ireland to escape the summer sun of our own country

A few restrictions on those Spanish Conquistadors should have been put in place by the EU and the Government!!

Donald Trump

dmcsweeney wrote: »

Thanks for clarifying. So when travel within a county opens up, or even inter county travel, they'll be no legal impediment to foreign travel.

Under existing rules, as per my understanding, you are correct.
But there could well be impediments might be in the form of quarantines.
Travel is not explicitly against the current restrictions, leaving your house without reasonable excuse is. I presume that that is because it would be easier to enforce the latter.



Nobody can know what might or might not be brought in specifically for international travel later. What was here last Summer were recommendations as far as I understand it. But people by and large abided by them. If people take the piss and they feel they need to control the numbers, they might try to bring in some other explicit restrictions addressing it.

Donald Trump

Tenzor07 wrote: »

A few restrictions on those Spanish Conquistadors should have been put in place by the EU and the Government!!

The EU weren't around back then. Just thought I'd better point that out.

faceman

Dr. Em wrote: »

This is the same model that is now in effect here.

Not really. Iceland is welcoming tourists and has far less restrictions than Ireland. Tourist visitors get to choose their accommodation. Quarantine there allows for food shopping and exercise.

Tenzor07

Donald Trump wrote: »

The EU weren't around back then. Just thought I'd better point that out.

I guess you were around at that time, so could easily verify the above fact eh?... :rolleyes:

Dr. Em

faceman wrote: »

Not really. Iceland is welcoming tourists and has far less restrictions than Ireland. Tourist visitors get to choose their accommodation. Quarantine there allows for food shopping and exercise.

Fair enough you can go for a walk in Iceland and you can't in Ireland. Otherwise the quarantine is the same:

https://www.landlaeknir.is/um-embaettid/greinar/grein/item43539/Instructions-for-persons-under-home-based-quarantine


You are supposed to order food online unless it is impossible.

They are clearly trying to dissuade people from traveling without a reason, just as Ireland is.

CapriciousOne

So people from the UK heading off to Dubai on their holliers will be treated to a £1750 bill and 10 days mandatory quarantine on return?

Dr. Em

It is really the airlines that decide if a country is open for tourism or not by cancelling flights. They won't fly planes if they can't sell seats. As far as Iceland goes, it looks like Keflavik airport had exactly two arrivals scheduled today. Dublin had at least 9 arrivals in the same time, excluding internal flights.

lukas8888

gozunda wrote: »

I know I shouldn't but I have laugh at some of the absolute hysterics about the restrictions here on travel..

Other countries approaches to testing make us look like a bunch of softies tbf

For example to enter the Netherlands - you will require not one but two preflight tests



And then you must self-quarantine for 10 days upon arriving in the Netherlands. You can get tested again on day 5 after your arrival. If the result is negative you can end your self-quarantine. 

https://www.government.nl/topics/coronavirus-covid-19/visiting-the-netherlands-from-abroad/mandatory-negative-test-results-and-declaration/requirements-rapid-test-result

There is a real need for some perspective here tbh.

Hilarious is right, your Netherlands example that you suggest is the bees knees is exactly the same as our regs apart from the antigen test. Cost about 20 euros immediate result and about as useful as an ashtray on a motorbike.

Dr. Em

lukas8888 wrote: »

Hilarious is right, your Netherlands example that you suggest is the bees knees is exactly the same as our regs apart from the antigen test. Cost about 20 euros immediate result and about as useful as an ashtray on a motorbike.

20 Euro? It costs 89 Euro and takes up to an hour to get results. Since the Netherlands requires you to take the test within 4 hours of departure, it is very effective at restricting travel.
1) the airport has to have testing facilities where results can be returned within approximately a 2 hour-window in order to receive results and still have time to get to the flight;
2) the testing centre has to have the testing capacity to test an entire plane load within that timeframe or else it will become uneconomic for flights to run; and

3) anyone who tests positive is not allowed to travel.


It is a creative way to restrict travel indirectly while still allowing the most essential travel.

lukas8888

Dr. Em wrote: »

20 Euro? It costs 89 Euro and takes up to an hour to get results. Since the Netherlands requires you to take the test within 4 hours of departure, it is very effective at restricting travel.
1) the airport has to have testing facilities where results can be returned within approximately a 2 hour-window in order to receive results and still have time to get to the flight;
2) the testing centre has to have the testing capacity to test an entire plane load within that timeframe or else it will become uneconomic for flights to run; and

3) anyone who tests positive is not allowed to travel.


It is a creative way to restrict travel indirectly while still allowing the most essential travel.

Wow 98 euros for an antigen test had one in Lanzarote last November 25 euros. Also through my employer not subsidised West of Ireland 20 euros. Apart from the majority of people struggling during this pandemic there are for sure very many winners.

Dr. Em

lukas8888 wrote: »

Wow 98 euros for an antigen test had one in Lanzarote last November 25 euros. Also through my employer not subsidised West of Ireland 20 euros. Apart from the majority of people struggling during this pandemic there are for sure very many winners.

Private company - they can charge whatever people will pay.

DubLad69

RTE news are saying that the government are considering tightening the travel restrictions, but didn't say what they propose.

Red Silurian

Dr. Em wrote: »

20 Euro? It costs 89 Euro and takes up to an hour to get results. Since the Netherlands requires you to take the test within 4 hours of departure, it is very effective at restricting travel.
1) the airport has to have testing facilities where results can be returned within approximately a 2 hour-window in order to receive results and still have time to get to the flight;
2) the testing centre has to have the testing capacity to test an entire plane load within that timeframe or else it will become uneconomic for flights to run; and

3) anyone who tests positive is not allowed to travel.


It is a creative way to restrict travel indirectly while still allowing the most essential travel.

Hibernian medical sell ones made by roche for €11

Fair enough you have to buy 25 in one go...

faceman

DubLad69 wrote: »

RTE news are saying that the government are considering tightening the travel restrictions, but didn't say what they propose.

It will more than likely mean more non EU countries added to quarantine detention centre hotel lists

Red Silurian

DubLad69 wrote: »

RTE news are saying that the government are considering tightening the travel restrictions, but didn't say what they propose.

The govt are saying hotel mandatory quarantine will require primary legislation which could take weeks to get in place

Politicians afraid of passing laws, you couldn't make it up

faceman

The government is pushing the U.K. for a two island approach. However the more the U.K. vaccinates it’s population, with full vaccination due by June, the less their travel restrictions will matter.

Meanwhile in Ireland we won’t even have half the population vaccinated by then

Dr. Em

faceman wrote: »

The government is pushing the U.K. for a two island approach. However the more the U.K. vaccinates it’s population, with full vaccination due by June, the less their travel restrictions will matter.

Meanwhile in Ireland we won’t even have half the population vaccinated by then

Full vaccination is due in the UK by June? What? Where did you see that? Everything I have seen says autumn.

hotmail.com

UK government now far ahead in terms of quarantine.

normanoffside

This pretty much sums it up


https://twitter.com/sarahcareyIRL/status/1359175036737880066

Father Hernandez

normanoffside wrote: »

This pretty much sums it up


https://twitter.com/sarahcareyIRL/status/1359175036737880066

Travel is a convenient distraction from the shítshow that is seen (or not being seen) elsewhere.

hotmail.com

It will be awful for a lot of people if they can't travel abroad again this year.

faceman

faceman wrote: »

The government is pushing the U.K. for a two island approach. However the more the U.K. vaccinates it’s population, with full vaccination due by June, the less their travel restrictions will matter.

Meanwhile in Ireland we won’t even have half the population vaccinated by then

I think it’s the other way round. The UK want Ireland to get its act together and stop flights from Dubai, or put into quarantine without allowing airside transfer to a flight to London

Level 42

leo just said we aint going nowhere this year

Level 42

normanoffside wrote: »

This pretty much sums it up


https://twitter.com/sarahcareyIRL/status/1359175036737880066

sums it up what the fcuk are ya talking abt

Hellrazer

Level 42 wrote: »

leo just said we aint going nowhere this year

Leo also said theyre working on a "Living with Covid 2.0" - Since most sequels are worse than the original I think we`re rightly ****ed.

Now that is unless they can pull off a Godfather 2 and make a better one.

Highly doubt it though.

RobitTV

Varadkar:

While he hoped there could be some normality in the spring or summer, he said areas like aviation, tourism, entertainment and events “may not reopen for a very long time” and therefore will require more support packages.

Meanwhile Boris Johnson (for all his major blunders) will have UK tourists on European beaches by June and vaccinated!

The UK will be miles ahead in returning to normality with much less restrictions by the summer.