Will you travel? [Mod Note in Post #1 - Travel Discussion Only! Megathread]

pc7

Just on the poster a few pages back saying people aren’t using sanitizer walking into shops. I use my own in the car as I walk into lidl. The one I have doesn’t dry my hands, I prefer it. I’d say many others do same. Again I use it as soon as back to car, then wash hands once home. I see lots in cars seemingly doing the same.

JP Liz V1

moritz1234 wrote: »

Keeping the stats for 3 countries for the 14 days analysis 6th - 20th July for the Green List decision.

4 days rolling day analysis

Republic of Ireland 0.91 cases per 100,000 people
UK 3.25 cases per 100,000 people
Spain 3.59 cases per 100,000 people

Spain's cases are on the rise again

bladespin

Stopped into services on the way back from Cork, mental, people literally walking on each other, 1 lady masking, I did not like it in there and for me to say that is a thing!

stephenjmcd

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Spain's cases are on the rise again

Spain also report anti body tests but sure you know this from the main thread

SimonTemplar

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Spain also report anti body tests but sure you know this from the main thread

What does this mean and how does it affect the numbers of daily cases?

stephenjmcd

SimonTemplar wrote: »

What does this mean and how does it affect the numbers of daily cases?

Anti body testing, someone who tests postivie for anti bodies so they probably had it a while ago. No longer an active case

tom1ie

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Anti body testing, someone who tests postivie for anti bodies so they probably had it a while ago. No longer an active case

Maybe I’m misunderstanding but is the confirmed cases number rising in Spain no? What has the antibody test numbers got to do with the confirmed cases rising?

freak scence

normanoffside wrote: »

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1281580267157815297


Mater Hospital Infectious Diseases specialist, Dr Jack Lambert said there are countries that are safer than Ireland. He said he would prefer to travel to those places on holiday, instead of travelling within Ireland. He said Ireland needs to individualise countries,based on risk.

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JP Liz V1

tom1ie wrote: »

Maybe I’m misunderstanding but is the confirmed cases number rising in Spain no? What has the antibody test numbers got to do with the confirmed cases rising?

Yes cases rising, some parts back in lockdown

Plumbthedepths

freak scence wrote: »

massive shares in ryanair

I heard Aerlingus. He's still talking sense though.

stephenjmcd

tom1ie wrote: »

Maybe I’m misunderstanding but is the confirmed cases number rising in Spain no? What has the antibody test numbers got to do with the confirmed cases rising?

Spains daily figures also include all the postive anti body tests. They're all counted as new cases for that day even if no longer active.

Yes some areas are seeing clusters and localised restrictions.

Merry_Hell

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Spains daily figures also include all the postive anti body tests. They're all counted as new cases for that day even if no longer active.

Yes some areas are seeing clusters and localised restrictions.

Ireland's antibody testing is up and running. Any indication we might be doing this too?

NIMAN

A couple of weeks ago I would have answered YES to the thread title, despite the OH not agreeing with me.

Over the last week I'd have to say NO now myself too.

2021 is time enough. Its just a little too early. And some bad news coming out of places we'd venture to for sun.

stephenjmcd

Merry_Hell wrote: »

Ireland's antibody testing is up and running. Any indication we might be doing this too?

Nope they said they'll report that in a few weeks. Not sure how much will be found from that to be honest. 5000 isn't a very big sample set

Merry_Hell

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Nope they said they'll report that in a few weeks. Not sure how much will be found from that to be honest. 5000 isn't a very big sample set

The results of the research will be published in a few weeks but as it is ongoing, they will be getting a certain number of positive results each day. Each positive result represents a confirmed covid case of someone in ireland that had previously been unreported. Would be good statistical practice to include it in the new diagnosed cases count? Regardless of how/why it was diagnosed.

On top of that the study is being done in Dublin and sligo and both have seen their cases rise the last few weeks.

Given that the partial info released in general seems chosen to keep us cautious ( scared). I've a feeling our antibody tests are being included without any acknowledgment of same. Can't find any info to confirm or rule it out.

yoshimitsu

Children who go abroad must self-isolate for 14 days before return to school in September
Department of Education to publish guidelines on schools reopening by end of July

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/children-who-go-abroad-must-self-isolate-for-14-days-before-return-to-school-in-september-1.4301643?mode=amp

Another one-of-a-kind policy for Ireland from a European perspective.

So they’ll tell us at the end of the month if we can travel and we have to be back on the 12th of August to get kids into school on the 27th.
Another sign that they’re doing everything to make travel impossible bar banning travel, which would entitle people to refunds
Speechless

freak scence

aer arann is now the word in the dame court area , i sold my shares based on this news

freak scence

yoshimitsu wrote: »

Children who go abroad must self-isolate for 14 days before return to school in September
Department of Education to publish guidelines on schools reopening by end of July

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/children-who-go-abroad-must-self-isolate-for-14-days-before-return-to-school-in-september-1.4301643?mode=amp

Another one-of-a-kind policy for Ireland from a European perspective.

So they’ll tell us at the end of the month if we can travel and we have to be back on the 12th of August to get kids into school on the 27th.
Another sign that they’re doing everything to make travel impossible bar banning travel, which would entitle people to refunds
Speechless

stop moaning everyone and do what's right .

Plumbthedepths

freak scence wrote: »

stop moaning everyone and do what's right .

Do what's right? Can you elaborate?

freak scence

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Do what's right? Can you elaborate?

wasn't answering your question

wheresmybeaver

freak scence wrote: »

stop moaning everyone and do what's right .

Yours would be fair enough advice if it was indeed the 'right' thing, but why are we the only Europeans doing this? I thought quarantine was not to be necessary when visiting countries in proposed green lists, so why the arbitrary additional quarantine for students?

So much of this feels disorganised and slap-dash. I would have generally thought that looking to what our European neighbours are doing, based on expert recommendations, would be the way to go.

moritz1234

moritz1234 wrote: »

Keeping the stats for 3 countries for the 14 days analysis 6th - 20th July for the Green List decision.

4 days rolling day analysis

Republic of Ireland 0.91 cases per 100,000 people
UK 3.25 cases per 100,000 people
Spain 3.59 cases per 100,000 people

Five day analysis

Rep of Ireland 1.39
UK 4.00
Spain 5.42

Plumbthedepths

freak scence wrote: »

wasn't answering your question

It's a discussion forum so I'm just wondering what do you mean by 'do what's right' ?

josip

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

It's a discussion forum so I'm just wondering what do you mean by 'do what's right' ?

Usually they mean, "do what I think is right."
They were out with placards in the 80s before the internet made it easier for them.

bladespin

freak scence wrote: »

stop moaning everyone and do what's right .

Think they mean just go.

Muscles Schultz

Spain won’t be on any green list.

The Spanish Health Ministry reported 852 more COVID-19 infections on Friday – the highest daily jump since the lockdown ended last month.

The number of weekly infections diagnosed in the last week – 2,944 – also hit the highest number since May 29.

JP Liz V1

tom1ie wrote: »

Maybe I’m misunderstanding but is the confirmed cases number rising in Spain no? What has the antibody test numbers got to do with the confirmed cases rising?

https://thehill.com/policy/international/europe/491500-deaths-confirmed-coronavirus-cases-rise-in-spain-after-dip

Spain on Tuesday reported a renewed rise in COVID-19 cases and deaths, after several days of declines, as its backlog of weekend tests and fatalities related to the disease were finally confirmed.

The country's health ministry reported 743 deaths in the past 24 hours, dozens more than the numbers reported on Sunday and Monday combined, The Associated Press reports.

Almost 5,500 new cases were also reported on Tuesday, over 1,000 more than on Monday.

As of Tuesday morning, Spain has the second highest number of confirmed cases of the virus, behind the United States, with over 140,000, according to Johns Hopkins University data.

The European nation has suffered more than 13,700 deaths from the disease.

Plumbthedepths

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

https://thehill.com/policy/international/europe/491500-deaths-confirmed-coronavirus-cases-rise-in-spain-after-dip

The article you linked is from April 7th, how do you think Spain is doing now?

scrips

yoshimitsu wrote: »

Children who go abroad must self-isolate for 14 days before return to school in September
Department of Education to publish guidelines on schools reopening by end of July

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/children-who-go-abroad-must-self-isolate-for-14-days-before-return-to-school-in-september-1.4301643?mode=amp

Another one-of-a-kind policy for Ireland from a European perspective.

So they’ll tell us at the end of the month if we can travel and we have to be back on the 12th of August to get kids into school on the 27th.
Another sign that they’re doing everything to make travel impossible bar banning travel, which would entitle people to refunds
Speechless

First the article says we 'must' self-isolate children who are abroad and then it says parents are 'urged' to self-isolate their children for 14 days. Which is it, I wonder. More wishy-washy directions?

So you could stay in a hostel or hotel in Ireland, go to the pub nightly, and attend gatherings in friends' houses with no repercussions, but if you set foot in another country albeit with a similar R rate, isolate your family in self-catering accommodation, do fairly solitary outdoor pursuits and adhere to all the social distancing and mask-wearing restrictions in your EU destination, your children could be denied their right to a few days of their schooling. It's starting to look both slapdash and coercive - 'here's another measure we can throw in, just to be sure to be sure that people will stick around and pump their hard-earned cash into the Irish economy over the summer'.

I predict anyway that more parents will take their kids out of school for term time holidays if they are told they effectively can't travel before then.

JP Liz V1

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

The article you linked is from April 7th, how do you think Spain is doing now?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-06/coronavirus-update-australia-covid19/12424350#spain

The north-western Spanish region of Galicia has imposed restrictions on about 70,000 people following an outbreak, a day after Catalonia also introduced a local lockdown to curb the spread of the coronavirus.

People living in A Marina along Spain's northern coast in the region of Lugo will now not be able to leave the area until this Friday.

Regional authorities said people will be allowed to move around A Marina but only those who need to travel for work will be allowed to leave or enter the area.

The biggest outbreaks have been linked to bars in the area.

Capacity in bars and restaurants will be reduced to 50 per cent and people will have to wear a face mask, even if outdoors on beaches or at swimming pools.

Spain has registered 205,545 coronavirus cases and 28,385 deaths according to health ministry data, making it one of Europe's worst-affected countries.

On Saturday, Catalonian officials locked down more than 200,000 people after more than 350 cases of coronavirus were detected in the area.

The largest city in the area, Lleida, has been struggling with a surge in coronavirus cases in recent days.

The city's hospital has seen a tripling of COVID-19 patients in the past 10 days.

https://twitter.com/covid_spain/status/1281547413833089025

https://twitter.com/covid_spain/status/1281547812023476224