Will you travel? [Mod Note in Post #1 - Travel Discussion Only! Megathread]

Spanish Eyes

Essential travel to me means seeing family, and perhaps checking on a holiday home. Other than that I reckon most people could just cope and stay home.

This is coming from someone who travels extensively, but will not do so this year outside of Ireland, getting with the program! Ah no I just couldn't be arased with the hassle of it all and potentially bringing it back home or infecting ourselves. It is just us and our risk assessment. I hope that's OK with everyone!

BUT... I am not very happy with the idea that flights and tourists/visitors are allowed in willy nilly without any Quarantine restrictions either. That's a disgrace for sure. But it is FF, afraid of their own shadow or upsetting anyone home or abroad. LOL. Mixed message there, stay home, but everyone is welcome here from hotspots. Honestly.

gral6

deckie66 wrote: »

So looking at the amount of Covid cases per day in other EU countries and the general upward or downward trend I would guess that we will have the following on the Green list

Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Finland, Greece, Italy, Hungary, Germany, Belgium, Netherlands, Czech Rep, Slovakia, Slovenia, Malta, Cyprus, Denmark, Austria

Doubtful - Spain, Poland, France, Luxembourg

Not a hope -Sweden, Romania, Bulgaria, Portugal, Croatia

MM andd the rest of them can shove it up this green list their asses.
I am flying through Belfast, let's support their aviation industry if irish does not need to be supported accordingly to idiots in gov !

Limpy

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Essential travel to me means seeing family, and perhaps checking on a holiday home. Other than that I reckon most people could just cope and stay home.

This is coming from someone who travels extensively, but will not do so this year outside of Ireland, getting with the program! Ah no I just couldn't be arased with the hassle of it all and potentially bringing it back home or infecting ourselves. It is just us and our risk assessment. I hope that's OK with everyone!

BUT... I am not very happy with the idea that flights and tourists/visitors are allowed in willy nilly without any Quarantine restrictions either. That's a disgrace for sure. But it is FF, afraid of their own shadow or upsetting anyone home or abroad. LOL. Mixed message there, stay home, but everyone is welcome here from hotspots. Honestly.

They FF know they can't control the North, so they can't really admit or it makes them look weak.

The only solution is Ireland and the UK agree on a Policy.

scrips

lcstress2012 wrote: »

I know this, but I work in the airport so can’t really go back after 5 days and give the virus(if I have it) to my colleagues, that wouldn’t be fair! So if the restrictions aren’t lifted then I wouldn’t go.

That's very gallant of you, as you work in an airport and so presumably, directly or indirectly, are yourself enabling and assisting other people to travel abroad. Perhaps even your own job depends on people using airlines. In which case there would be a certain irony in not allowing yourself to go (unless you were planning going to a high risk country).

Spanish Eyes

Limpy wrote: »

They FF know they can't control the North, so they can't really admit or it makes them look weak.

The only solution is Ireland and the UK agree on a Policy.

The previous Admin did the same thing. Now we have Arlene and Johnson dictating our terms. I am not one bit impressed.

scrips

facehugger99 wrote: »

It will only be advice. It is completely unenforceable. The article talsk about 'guidelines' - so it's a load of bollox.

The schools doesn't have any right to know your holiday plans and I won't be telling them.

I wouldn't be either, but my kids might! Anyway surely a school cannot deny access to children based on their parents' actions.

TheDriver

scrips wrote: »

I wouldn't be either, but my kids might! Anyway surely a school cannot deny access to children based on their parents' actions.

Based on health and safety due to public health guidelines, then yes.

freak scence

gral6 wrote: »

MM andd the rest of them can shove it up this green list their asses.
I am flying through Belfast, let's support their aviation industry if irish does not need to be supported accordingly to idiots in gov !

goodman hope you clap yourself on the back and give your own post the thumbs up

wheresmybeaver

scrips wrote: »

I wouldn't be either, but my kids might! Anyway surely a school cannot deny access to children based on their parents' actions.

Can't trust kids to keep that quiet for more than 5 minutes. I don't think a school can realistically prevent a child from starting in September if their parents had brought them abroad. However the 'shame' of foreign travel is more likely to convince parents to keep kids at home for a while. Rationally, unless a family visited a foreign location with an outbreak or higher R number, they don't pose any additional risk compared to any other classmate who was holidaying nationally in the week before school.

I think the real hot topic for next year will be a Covid vaccine and if schools will require all students to have the vaccine before attending (with the usual exemptions for legit medical reasons). Presumably there are still a lot of antivax out there.

Wallander

deckie66 wrote: »

So looking at the amount of Covid cases per day in other EU countries and the general upward or downward trend I would guess that we will have the following on the Green list

Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Finland, Greece, Italy, Hungary, Germany, Belgium, Netherlands, Czech Rep, Slovakia, Slovenia, Malta, Cyprus, Denmark, Austria

Doubtful - Spain, Poland, France, Luxembourg

Not a hope -Sweden, Romania, Bulgaria, Portugal, Croatia

There'll be a few baffling points whatever is decided. To take your doubtful ones-


Spain: Should the Canary and Balearic Islands (isolated from mainland Spain with much lower Covid rates) be treated separately?


France: Someone wrote here that many French cases these days are from Guyana, an overseas territory in South America counted as part of France. Should cases in South America stop Irish people travelling to Paris?


Luxembourg: Recently begun testing their entire population for Covid, and I presume have a higher rate than Ireland as a result. Should they be punished for that?

spockety

deckie66 wrote: »

So looking at the amount of Covid cases per day in other EU countries and the general upward or downward trend I would guess that we will have the following on the Green list

Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Finland, Greece, Italy, Hungary, Germany, Belgium, Netherlands, Czech Rep, Slovakia, Slovenia, Malta, Cyprus, Denmark, Austria

Doubtful - Spain, Poland, France, Luxembourg

Not a hope -Sweden, Romania, Bulgaria, Portugal, Croatia

France includes French Guiana in their overall numbers, even though it's in South America. Huge portion of the French numbers are from that. Do you account for that in the numbers you have run? What's your per 100k number for France out of interest?

josip

wheresmybeaver wrote: »

I think the real hot topic for next year will be a Covid vaccine and if schools will require all students to have the vaccine before attending (with the usual exemptions for legit medical reasons). Presumably there are still a lot of antivax out there.

Ended up not traveling this summer, not our decision in the end, things just went teats up where we were headed.
If the choice for attending school is to be in the first wave getting a vaccine or 6 more months of home schooling I know what we'll be doing.

bladespin

wheresmybeaver wrote: »

I think the real hot topic for next year will be a Covid vaccine and if schools will require all students to have the vaccine before attending (with the usual exemptions for legit medical reasons). Presumably there are still a lot of antivax out there.

Think we’ll have a couple of years to ponder that one, personally (pro vaccine), I’d hold off a while at least, just to see.

I agree about the kids and the shaming, funny though, it didn’t bother too many of the parents when many among them ignored the distancing and unnecessary travel guidances at the start

faceman

Slice of life from Spain. Social distancing on the beach and the police keeping order. Beaches are more pleasant now

https://imgur.com/gallery/I1I1nse

SimonTemplar

As we are now approaching 14 days since airlines have resumed service, it would be interesting to find out how many (if any) flight attendants have become infected within the last two weeks. If none, it would certainly be a strong case for the safety of plane travel with masks.

MickeyLeari

faceman wrote: »

Slice of life from Spain. Social distancing on the beach and the police keeping order. Beaches are more pleasant now

https://imgur.com/gallery/I1I1nse

Where in Spain are you? Seriously tempted to take an Air BnB there for the next 6 weeks and home work.

acequion

I'm now in Spain having travelled over on Friday 10th. So here's my experience:

I travelled from a surreally deserted Kerry airport to an equally sureally deserted Alicante. I exaggerate a bit but it was very surreal to see so few people travelling in high summer. Absolutely no problem distancing in either terminal as the few passengers were basically rattling around miles apart. Everyone masked, everyone carefully observing the distance. There were 25-30 of us on the plane and passengers were allowed change their allocated seating so the distancing was excellent. No bus to terminal in Alicante,we went through an air bridge,again excellent distancing and a smooth efficient procedure on arrival. Ryanair had sent on the Spanish passenger locator form which I had printed out and filled in and just had to hand it in. No temperature check so maybe that's random. Constant alerts at Alicante airport that all passengers must be masked and that masks must cover nose and mouth, police were also on hand to check. I had private transport both to the airport in Kerry and from the airport in Alicante. I had my own sanitiser in my bag and I sanitised myself to within an inch of my life, so guys if I caught Covid during that experience I really would be flabbergasted and no exaggeration there! :eek:

Here in Spain I'm staying at my own appartment, I won't use the communal pool but may go to the beach if I consider it safe. I'm here alone but will meet up with one friend a few times, barbecues at each other's house, maybe a meal out.That will be the extent of my socialising. No Yanks here and Brits will get a wide berth. Here everybody wears a mask in the shops, good sanitiser everywhere and there is a nice relaxed sense of getting on with the new normal and making the best of it. I feel very safe here, a lot safer than I would in Kerry from what I hear about shenanigans there.

Are they still as hysterical as ever at home? Are they still targetting travellers as the bad guys? Based on my own experience so far I really recommend that people make their own decisions as that blanket no non essential travel advisory is nuts. I feel very sorry for people who obeyed the Govt advice, lost money and may well be staycationing in much riskier situations back home.

MickeyLeari

acequion wrote: »

Are they still as hysterical as ever at home? Are they still targetting travellers as the bad guys? Based on my own experience so far I really recommend that people make their own decisions as that blanket no non essential travel advisory is nuts. I feel very sorry for people who obeyed the Govt advice, lost money and may well be staycationing in much riskier situations back home.

staycationing with a bunch of yanks and drunk dubs.

Have a great break.

JP Liz V1

Greece could reintroduce some lockdown measures, after the country has seen a spike in Covid-19 cases following the return of tourism.

There are now more active infections in Greece than at any other point during the pandemic – 2,205 people in Greece are known to have the virus right now.

On Friday, 60 people were confirmed to have contracted the virus, the highest daily number since April 21. More than 100 new cases reported in the last 10 days have been among incoming tourists.

British holidaymakers are due to return to Greece from July 15, with UK flights resuming on that date. However, Greek authorities are now considering introducing stricter lockdown measures, potentially from as early as tomorrow (July 13).

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/travel-news-greece-considers-second-084836950.html

DebDynamite

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Greece could reintroduce some lockdown measures, after the country has seen a spike in Covid-19 cases following the return of tourism.

There are now more active infections in Greece than at any other point during the pandemic – 2,205 people in Greece are known to have the virus right now.

On Friday, 60 people were confirmed to have contracted the virus, the highest daily number since April 21. More than 100 new cases reported in the last 10 days have been among incoming tourists.

British holidaymakers are due to return to Greece from July 15, with UK flights resuming on that date. However, Greek authorities are now considering introducing stricter lockdown measures, potentially from as early as tomorrow (July 13).

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/travel-news-greece-considers-second-084836950.html

Wow, so a sharp increase in confirmed cases in Greece and the Brits haven’t even started arriving yet. Very worrying.

smurfjed

As we are now approaching 14 days since airlines have resumed service, it would be interesting to find out how many (if any) flight attendants have become infected within the last two weeks. If none, it would certainly be a strong case for the safety of plane travel with masks.

It would be interesting to see results from Qatar Airways as they never stopped flying throughout this whole pandemic. Although Qatar has the highest rate of infection per population, we are not hearing calls for the airline to be banned from certain countries which is a good indication that the disease isn’t spreading rampantly onboard aircraft, although that doesn’t mean that infected people aren’t going from A-B.

Tazz T

Greece banned Qatar after nine people tested positive coming off a plane.

Dave0301

Any idea on when Ireland will be publishing its green list of countries?

Tazz T

DebDynamite wrote: »

Wow, so a sharp increase in confirmed cases in Greece and the Brits haven’t even started arriving yet. Very worrying.

The vast majority of these were at the land border with Bulgaria You now need a negative test 72 hrs before arriving at the border and no non-essential travel.

https://www.ekathimerini.com/254610/article/ekathimerini/news/spike-in-covid-cases-brings-restrictions

deckie66

Dave0301 wrote: »

Any idea on when Ireland will be publishing its green list of countries?

next monday apparently but will be decided by cabinet this weekly so will probably leak out

Zonda999

deckie66 wrote: »

next monday apparently but will be decided by cabinet this weekly so will probably leak out

Is there any more information about whether it will apply immediately from next Monday or will they push it out?

In my mind it makes no sense publishing that list to come into effect on a future date and then having to amend it before that date should it be needed.

Micky 32

Zonda999 wrote: »

Is there any more information about whether it will apply immediately from next Monday or will they push it out?

In my mind it makes no sense publishing that list to come into effect on a future date and then having to amend it before that date should it be needed.

My prediction is it won’t be in effect until well into August, that’s if they do a green list this year at all. They don’t want families travelling before going back to school.

faceman

Further fueling the theory the Irish government wants to keep mobey in Ireland this year

Speaking to my dentist here in Spain this morning who is Norwegian. She said Norway had a travel ban for its citizens until August 15th. They brought the date forward to July 15th. Norwegians, mad to get out of Norway booked holidays em masse. Bookings up 300% on previous year for foreign holidays.

dundalkfc10

Micky 32 wrote: »

My prediction is it won’t be in effect until well into August, that’s if they do a green list this year at all. They don’t want families travelling before going back to school.

Fly back to Belfast, Problem solved for familys

scrips

Micky 32 wrote: »

My prediction is it won’t be in effect until well into August, that’s if they do a green list this year at all. They don’t want families travelling before going back to school.

Whole point of a green list is that those countries are as safe to travel to as Ireland, is it not? But the 'your children are not going back to school if you've been abroad' stick is a very convenient one to beat people with.

Looking out at our fourth day of rain in seven days, from our shoebox of a house in the west of Ireland. The mood is very low in our family. Had thankfully fine sunny day on Saturday, went to a local popular tourist site and the lack of social distancing in the queue was remarkable, a properly distanced queueing system hadn't been set up at all. At least it was outdoors.