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Covid-19; Impact on the aviation industry

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    #452
    Sexual Chocolate
    Registered Users Posts: 2,060 ✭✭✭Sexual Chocolate


    Wonder what aircraft BA will use to repatriate the Irish and British people stick in Peru. Guessing a 787 would be too small as theres is supposedly 135 Irish people alone. 777 or 747 ?


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    #453
    goingnowhere
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    A350 or 777ER


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    #454
    Gael23
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    Emirates appear to have changed their mind


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    #455
    scooby77
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    Gael23 wrote: »
    Emirates appear to have changed their mind
    How so?


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    #456
    JohnC.
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    scooby77 wrote: »
    How so?

    https://twitter.com/emirates/status/1241755723031248897


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    #457
    Sheep Shagger
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 6,340 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sheep Shagger


    Think it's utterly bizarre Emirates would so such a U turn.


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    #458
    easypazz
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    Sheep Shagger wrote: »
    Think it's utterly bizarre Emirates would so such a U turn.

    You would have thought they would have done a bit of research before announcing anything.


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    #459
    JohnC.
    Registered Users Posts: 3,424 ✭✭✭JohnC.


    Looking at the tweets, I don't think there was a u-turn.

    The one announcing services being suspended was the first tweet in a 5 tweet thread. The ones I posted were 2 and 3 in the same thread, posted at the same time. Looks to me like people read the first one only and assumed everything was cancelled, but reading the rest would have shown there were some limited services going on.


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    #460
    Thargor
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    Strange time for Turkish Airlines to start a tv campaign.


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    #461
    scooby77
    Registered Users Posts: 396 ✭✭scooby77


    JohnC. wrote: »
    Looking at the tweets, I don't think there was a u-turn.

    The one announcing services being suspended was the first tweet in a 5 tweet thread. The ones I posted were 2 and 3 in the same thread, posted at the same time. Looks to me like people read the first one only and assumed everything was cancelled, but reading the rest would have shown there were some limited services going on.

    The letter to all staff said all passenger services cancelled, and outlined pay cuts.
    At the moment there all incoming crew are tested and pending a non positive test must self isolate for 14 days- cant fly. Test results running at 48+ hours. So logistically staffing these flights could be difficult. Sounds like a political decision, which has could create operational difficulties!


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    #462
    john boye
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    JohnC. wrote: »
    Looking at the tweets, I don't think there was a u-turn.

    The one announcing services being suspended was the first tweet in a 5 tweet thread. The ones I posted were 2 and 3 in the same thread, posted at the same time. Looks to me like people read the first one only and assumed everything was cancelled, but reading the rest would have shown there were some limited services going on.

    The original tweet (with all pax flights cancelled) was deleted when they posted the update.


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    #463
    JohnC.
    Registered Users Posts: 3,424 ✭✭✭JohnC.


    john boye wrote: »
    The original tweet (with all pax flights cancelled) was deleted when they posted the update.

    And it looks like full passenger cancellation is now back on.
    Last updated: 23 March 2020, 08:30 Dubai (GMT+4)
    As per the UAE government’s directive, Emirates will temporarily suspend all passenger services for two weeks starting from 25 March 2020. We are very sorry for any inconvenience caused to our customers and travellers. These measures are in place to contain the spread of COVID-19, and we hope to resume services as soon as feasible.


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    #464
    Jude13
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    scooby77 wrote: »
    Fair play to Emirates they keeping all staff on books with cuts to salary on a scale ranging from 100% cut for senior execs, to none for low paid. Of course everyone loses flight pay and per diem, but rent allowances etc are maintained.

    50% cut for the pilots kept on, though they have their accommodation and schooling paid by the firm for a year.*

    *Allegedly due to location of posting


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    #465
    Sexual Chocolate
    Registered Users Posts: 2,060 ✭✭✭Sexual Chocolate


    Lots of Irish and Brits stuck in Oz relying on the either of the ME3 to get them home. Wonder will we see any repatriation flights to there ?


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    #466
    L1011
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    Sexual Chocolate wrote: »
    Lots of Irish and Brits stuck in Oz relying on the either of the ME3 to get them home. Wonder will we see any repatriation flights to there ?

    State/DFA is already considering one to PER due to a substantial number of Irish registered medics looking to return.


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    #467
    Gael23
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    There are lots of Irish in Australia worried their visas will run out before they can leave


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    #468
    Sexual Chocolate
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    Gael23 wrote: »
    There are lots of Irish in Australia worried their visas will run out before they can leave

    Think the government over there are going to extend visas but like here work has dried up big time so people are running out of funds.


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    #469
    easypazz
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    Sexual Chocolate wrote: »
    Lots of Irish and Brits stuck in Oz relying on the either of the ME3 to get them home. Wonder will we see any repatriation flights to there ?

    Once there are scheduled flights I don't see an issue. You can get back for €370 at the moment.

    Major cities and hubs will continue to connect with each other once things settle down.


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    #470
    Sexual Chocolate
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    easypazz wrote: »
    Once there are scheduled flights I don't see an issue. You can get back for €370 at the moment.

    Major cities and hubs will continue to connect with each other once things settle down.

    Emirates and Etihad are finishing up on Wednesday so a lot of people are beginning to panic going by the "Irish Around xxxx" groups Facebook.


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    #471
    Nijmegen
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    To be honest I think repatriation flights will continue and would be surprised if airlines like Emirates didn't continue to play a part in them given they're typically arranged by governments who have reason to keep playing ball with one another. Or for example the Aussies might get Qantas to do the run so they can offload people they'll otherwise need to support/hospitalise. It's the general unconstrained movement of people they need to control for and stop. I wonder are government still bothering with quarantine in special facilities, though?


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    #472
    Jack1985
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    CEO of BA Alex Cruz has now indicated he will not take a salary for the next two months. Hinting job cuts are now being examined at BA.


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    #473
    Tenger
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    Jack1985 wrote: »
    CEO of BA Alex Cruz has now indicated he will not take a salary for the next two months. Hinting job cuts are now being examined at BA.

    He has a neck on him. EI CEO taking 50% cut in salary (to be honest bonuses for CEOs are usually the largest amount of renumeration)

    Qantas CEO taking no salary this year (granted in got 26M last year!!!)
    Delta and United Execs are also forfeiting salaries.


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    #474
    easypazz
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    Nijmegen wrote: »
    To be honest I think repatriation flights will continue and would be surprised if airlines like Emirates didn't continue to play a part in them given they're typically arranged by governments who have reason to keep playing ball with one another. Or for example the Aussies might get Qantas to do the run so they can offload people they'll otherwise need to support/hospitalise. It's the general unconstrained movement of people they need to control for and stop. I wonder are government still bothering with quarantine in special facilities, though?

    AFAIK if you want to go into China you get quarantine.

    Its probably too early to do it anywhere else until all citizens who want to be repatriated can get home first.


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    #475
    Tenger
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    easypazz wrote: »
    AFAIK if you want to go into China you get quarantine.

    Its probably too early to do it anywhere else until all citizens who want to be repatriated can get home first.

    Hong Kong introduced 14 days quarantine for Europeans about 10 days ago. My sister was planning to travel to visit a sick relative. Her trip was only going to be 12 days. Obviously not travelling BTW!!


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    #476
    easypazz
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    Tenger wrote: »
    Hong Kong introduced 14 days quarantine for Europeans about 10 days ago. My sister was planning to travel to visit a sick relative. Her trip was only going to be 12 days. Obviously not travelling BTW!!

    Looks like for the next while anybody travelling to another country will only do it if they are planning on staying there.

    After a while different countries / regions will become "clean" and people probably allowed travel freely between them.


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    #477
    Storm 10
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    How bad will this be for Knock Airport

    https://www.con-telegraph.ie/news/roundup/articles/2020/03/23/4187705-ireland-west-airport-to-temporarily-suspend-operations/


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    #478
    Nijmegen
    Registered Users Posts: 3,086 ✭✭✭Nijmegen


    Storm 10 wrote: »
    How bad will this be for Knock Airport

    https://www.con-telegraph.ie/news/roundup/articles/2020/03/23/4187705-ireland-west-airport-to-temporarily-suspend-operations/

    Sure they’ll have all those A380s to scrap shortly!


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    #479
    Storm 10
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    Nijmegen wrote: »
    Sure they’ll have all those A380s to scrap shortly!

    Private Company running that business.


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    #480
    Nijmegen
    Registered Users Posts: 3,086 ✭✭✭Nijmegen


    Storm 10 wrote: »
    Private Company running that business.

    Very much tongue in cheek!


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    #481
    sparrowcar
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    Nijmegen wrote: »
    Very much tongue in cheek!

    Aviation "experts" singing a new song the last few days. Read last night that this could relaunch wide body business and the likes A380 and 747 will be in demand. For health screening reasons hub to hub flights will become popular and safer and hub to spoke or spoke to spoke will die out. Meaning the death of the max and 321LR etc.

    Hub to hub with few slots means.... big planes.
    All pure speculation but makes sense.


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