Covid-19; Impact on the aviation industry

EchoIndia

Impetus wrote: »

The tap water in Dublin airport is often 'too hot to handle' ie not comfortable, which is a waste of energy, an does not promote through hand washing - ie 30 seconds with soap, as opposed to a quick rinse. And it is a waste of energy. Probably because the so called 'civil servants' who mis-manage most Irish airports appear to be only focused on their pension, rather than providing good/clean customer service.

https://interaktiv.tagesspiegel.de/lab/karte-sars-cov-2-in-deutschland-landkreise/

The statistics in the Die Coronavirus-Kurven im Vergleich – live of this German website show how Ireland is a basket case.

It would be hard to invent a more dysfunctional society than Ireland, especially in the viaral spread front. (Perhaps aside from Dumb Trumpland and Dumb Boris land).

OT here I think, but I presume that before making such a sweeping statement you have satisfied yourself that the comparator countries are counting their deaths in the same way as Ireland. Such comparisons are notoriously difficult to make, even for those well-qualified in the field of epidemiology.
https://www.thejournal.ie/how-are-covid-19-probable-deaths-counted-5102540-May2020/

HTCOne

EchoIndia wrote: »

OT here I think, but I presume that before making such a sweeping statement you have satisfied yourself that the comparator countries are counting their deaths in the same way as Ireland. Such comparisons are notoriously difficult to make, even for those well-qualified in the field of epidemiology.
https://www.thejournal.ie/how-are-covid-19-probable-deaths-counted-5102540-May2020/

Also, those German graphs show we are doing a better job than them even with Germany incorrectly reporting Covid deaths.

IngazZagni

spot on. In Germany for example if someone is admitted to hospital for Cancer but they die early of Covid then it is not counted as a Covid death. That would be counted as a Covid death in Ireland.
It's impossible to compare stats right now so don't even bother.

For aviation you'll just have to decide if you want to risk it. Not everyone will at first but eventually it'll return to nornal I hope.

billy few mates

IngazZagni wrote: »

Anyway Ryanair have already said they do not intend to follow all Easa guidelines. For example they confirmed they will not clean aircraft between flights. Only at nighttime which is contrary to EASA advice.

Where have they said that...?

IngazZagni

billy few mates wrote: »

Where have they said that...?

MOL said it at an investor call. He said the facilities don't exist to clean planes on turnarounds.

Apologies but this requires a sub to read fully.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/ireland/ryanair-to-wing-it-with-daily-clean-of-planes-2fdv0vnpg

RocketRaccoon

IngazZagni wrote: »

MOL said it at an investor call. He said the facilities don't exist to clean planes on turnarounds.

Apologies but this requires a sub to read fully.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/ireland/ryanair-to-wing-it-with-daily-clean-of-planes-2fdv0vnpg

This is why they need to get rid of the 25 minute turnaround for the foreseeable future. Of course, he won't do that though.

Sheep Shagger

CEO of Ryanair DAC (which is not MOL) saying the airline has 20 to 25 million refunds to process, estimated to be worth a billion euro.

Given it's not automated that could take months or years...

WishUWereHere

RocketRaccoon wrote: »

This is why they need to get rid of the 25 minute turnaround for the foreseeable future. Of course, he won't do that though.

He probably won't have that option though. Who knows whats ahead?

L1011

Impetus wrote: »

It would be hard to invent a more dysfunctional society than Ireland, especially in the viaral spread front. (Perhaps aside from Dumb Trumpland and Dumb Boris land).

You were told to stop this crap before - this is your last warning.

Go start a blog if you wish to rant about how bad Ireland is and how great Switzerland is; or UV-C for that matter

Deatr

An interesting read

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/cityjet-examinership-does-a-job-on-workers-n20rqvfll?shareToken=1c64a03d9978738353a705b96f9685bc

trellheim

I read the EASA guidelines which are worded as "mandatory" ... do guidelines have any legal force here ?

AnRothar

trellheim wrote: »

I read the EASA guidelines which are worded as "mandatory" ... do guidelines have any legal force here ?

If issued in the form of an EU regulation then yes.
Can you post a link to what you read?

billy few mates

WishUWereHere wrote: »

He probably won't have that option though. Who knows whats ahead?

The turnround time should be adjusted to allow for proper sanitisation and disinfection between flights not the other way round. Besides with the massive reduction in air travel they won't be needing the twenty five minute turnround for the foreseeable future.

trellheim

link as requested https://www.easa.europa.eu/sites/default/files/dfu/EASA-ECDC_COVID-19_Operational%20guidelines%20for%20management%20of%20passengers_final.pdf

Petrol Head_Pilot

Considering Covid-19, would any of you have any hesitations in joining a flight school for ATPL Training?

Lots of Airlines are laying off staff yet I am still being contacted by Flight Schools for ATPL Training!

IngazZagni

billy few mates wrote: »

The turnround time should be adjusted to allow for proper sanitisation and disinfection between flights not the other way round. Besides with the massive reduction in air travel they won't be needing the twenty five minute turnround for the foreseeable future.

Its clearly being done because it'll cost them money. If Ryanair actually wanted to disenfect their airplanes at outstations they could absolutely make that happen but they won't.

AlekSmart

billy few mates wrote: »

The turnround time should be adjusted to allow for proper sanitisation and disinfection between flights not the other way round. Besides with the massive reduction in air travel they won't be needing the twenty five minute turnround for the foreseeable future.

Perhaps yes,however I believe that the return will be somewhat quicker than most forecasts to date.

We now see the emergence of a tussle between those carriers who have a very finely tuned sense of their customer base snd National Governments,not all of whom can claim to be as well tuned.

Spain currently now looks to be taking significant steps to re-open from the 1st July,a move which may well stimulate or force the hand of other EU States.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/05/25/travel-updates-greece-restarts-ferries-tries-salvage-tourism/

"The worst is behind us," Foreign Minister Arancha Gonzalez Laya tweeted with emojis of a bikini, sunglasses and a suitcase.

"In July we will gradually open Spain to international tourists, lift the quarantine, [and] ensure the highest standards of health safety. We look forward to welcoming you!"

Tourism will continue to be a major part of many economies,including Ireland's and the Spanish approach reflects their recognition of this.

With the destination open,and welcoming,and the Airports offering sweet deals to carriers feeding into them,expect to see plenty of juicy offers prompting a significant increase in pressure on other States to slacken off the chains....:)

Up,Up and....Awaaaaaay

AnRothar

trellheim wrote: »

link as requested https://www.easa.europa.eu/sites/default/files/dfu/EASA-ECDC_COVID-19_Operational%20guidelines%20for%20management%20of%20passengers_final.pdf

Its guidance material.
Suggested "best practice".
Use of the word "should" not "shall".

BZ

LATAM Airlines has filed for chapter 11 bankruptcy overnight. There will be a queue of airlines at the bankruptcy courthouse in the coming weeks the way things are going.

trellheim

for example the sentence in the above that got me

The wearing of medical face masks (hereinafter “face masks”) should be recommended for all passengers
and persons within the airport and aircraft, from the moment they enter the terminal building at the
departure airport until they exit the terminal building at the destination airport. Exemption to the obligation to wear face masks can be made for instances where otherwise specified, such as during security checks or
border control. C

crushproof

Interesting trip taken by a Eurowings jet with a total of two passengers.

"Flight EW9844 set off on the 730-mile (1,170km) flight to Sardinia's Olbia Airport on the morning of May 23, but was in Sardinian airspace before being informed by air traffic control that it wasn't open to commercial traffic."

https://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/eurowings-dusseldorf-olbia/index.html

Inquitus

crushproof wrote: »

Interesting trip taken by a Eurowings jet with a total of two passengers.

"Flight EW9844 set off on the 730-mile (1,170km) flight to Sardinia's Olbia Airport on the morning of May 23, but was in Sardinian airspace before being informed by air traffic control that it wasn't open to commercial traffic."

https://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/eurowings-dusseldorf-olbia/index.html

Interesting a 4hr round trip from Dusseldorf to Sardinia via Cagliari back to Dusseldorf!

MJohnston

Not good news if you're expecting air travel to pick up here, I would imagine:

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1265645134789644288

Blut2

MJohnston wrote: »

Not good news if you're expecting air travel to pick up here, I would imagine:

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1265645134789644288

I wouldn't put too much faith in that. Leo last week also said the 2metre distancing advice was staying, but it now looks likely to be revised down to 1m shortly. He seems to be erring massively on the side of caution with any public statements.

If the rest of Europe is fully open to arrivals from July 1st or earlier (as the announced dates so far indicate), and the EU is pushing for opening up travel on the continent from June 15th, there will be huge pressure on Ireland to follow suit. Both externally from our EU partners, and internally from our own populace and transport/tourism industries.

Charles Babbage

Sheep Shagger wrote: »

CEO of Ryanair DAC (which is not MOL) saying the airline has 20 to 25 million refunds to process, estimated to be worth a billion euro.

Given it's not automated that could take months or years...

It could be completely automated, the flights didn't fly, the people paid with a card, just send them back their money.

Inquitus

Charles Babbage wrote: »

It could be completely automated, the flights didn't fly, the people paid with a card, just send them back their money.

It could be automated, but its probably a 6-9 month project to deliver that automation, its not something that could be done overnight.

LXFlyer

Charles Babbage wrote: »

It could be completely automated, the flights didn't fly, the people paid with a card, just send them back their money.

Refunds to credit cards cannot be automated for very good credit card security reasons. This is a restriction imposed by the card companies themselves.

Every individual refund has to be done manually, one by one, which clearly needs close control as well.

MJohnston

Another data point against leisure flights happening in Ireland any time soon:

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1265691069464948738?s=21

Tenger

Have FR actually specified the routes restarting in July.
They could scale up intra-EU flights first.

Calina

I guess I won't be getting home any time soon. Luxair restarts flights to 5 destinations on Friday and we expect border controls to lift internally for most of Schengen on 15 June. But the 14 day isolation in Ireland rules things out unless the CTA is dumped

What is the latest on the EI redundancy story? Seems to have gone quiet although I might just have missed news.