Covid-19; Impact on the aviation industry

Ireland will probably have access to vaccine early if it becomes available.
https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/ireland-lucky-to-have-access-to-covid-vaccines-says-irish-gp-1012306.html

gral6

Deleted User wrote: »

Ireland will probably have access to vaccine early if it becomes available.
https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/ireland-lucky-to-have-access-to-covid-vaccines-says-irish-gp-1012306.html

If there is any .
They have to save Irish aviation now. They don't have to hope that there is a vaccine on the way. Might never be. Do something now, what a useless coalition in government.

gral6

gral6 wrote: »

If there is any .
They have to save Irish aviation now. They don't have to hope that there is a vaccine on the way. Might never be. Do something now, what a useless coalition in government.

Would you prefer Paul Murphy to be in power who didn't even know that WW was a qualified AL pilot and wants to abuse the pandemic to nationalise Aer Lingus.

gral6

Deleted User wrote: »

Would you prefer Paul Murphy to be in power who didn't even know that WW was a qualified AL pilot and wants to abuse the pandemic to nationalise Aer Lingus.

You need to read properly, I did not say that.

You don't like the current coalition which is composed of practically everyone except the hard left and SF. So what exactly are you saying. It seems to me you are just looking for an excuse to score points and if it were not this thread in this sub-forum you'd be scouring boards for another thread on which to criticise them.

gral6

Deleted User wrote: »

You don't like the current coalition which is composed of practically everyone except the hard left and SF. So what exactly are you saying. It seems to me you are just looking for an excuse to score points and if it were not this thread in this sub-forum you'd be scouring boards for another thread on which to criticise them.

You can go somewhere else and troll there.

gral6

gral6 wrote: »

You can go somewhere else and troll there.

When you refer to them as a "useless Coalition" you make it political and drag the discussion off-topic. Bring solutions to the discussion or at the very least problem definition. Insulting a rainbow coalition brings nothing. It isn't the first thread you've insulted them on. You've done the same on general lockdown threads too.

LXFlyer

howiya wrote: »

Have aer lingus announced when flights to Jersey (JER) will resume?

It’s actually Aer Lingus Regional.

I don’t see it returning until summer 2021. Given its summer only status, the focus I would imagine is on restoring the all year round routes first.

They’ve only resumed commercial flights in the last fortnight.

Irish Steve

This is NOT a political forum, and we've allowed some leeway as there are political activities happening at the moment, but if you want to have a go at the coalition, or discuss other political issues that are not directly aviation related, take it to the Politics forum, or take the consequences here

howiya

LXFlyer wrote: »

It’s actually Aer Lingus Regional.

I don’t see it returning until summer 2021. Given its summer only status, the focus I would imagine is on restoring the all year round routes first.

They’ve only resumed commercial flights in the last fortnight.

Thanks for the reply.

Have a booking for flights in September, would it be safe to assume its not happening?

Haven't heard anything from airline yet.

Avoation1091

howiya wrote: »

Thanks for the reply.

Have a booking for flights in September, would it be safe to assume its not happening?

Haven't heard anything from airline yet.

The DUB-JER flights are marked as Sold Out on the website for Sept. They wont be happening.

Im sure EI will be in touch over next few weeks re official Cancellation

LXFlyer

howiya wrote: »

Thanks for the reply.

Have a booking for flights in September, would it be safe to assume its not happening?

Haven't heard anything from airline yet.

I would imagine that it is unlikely I’m afraid. But I don’t have any inside info.

They’re restarting their commercial routes in phases over a six week period and I didn’t see Jersey in the list they published in June.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/business/arid-31004385.html?type=amp

A shame as Jersey has reopened for tourism business provided visitors take a Covid test on arrival (or self-isolate for 14 days).

Acosta

Avoation1091 wrote: »

The DUB-JER flights are marked as Sold Out on the website for Sept. They wont be happening.

Im sure EI will be in touch over next few weeks re official Cancellation

It's going to a hellish winter for aviation. Probably only a matter of time before Ryanair, Aer Lingus and others cancel a load of routes for the winter.

donkey balls

Acosta wrote: »

It's going to a hellish winter for aviation. Probably only a matter of time before Ryanair, Aer Lingus and others cancel a load of routes for the winter.

Neighbours flight to TFE was cancelled the other day, This should have been her 3rd holiday this year she is praying that the holiday at Xmas goes ahead.
I'm booked for a winter break but have a feeling it be cancelled at some stage.
Was talking to a lad in work he said his mate was on a flight to ACE and their was about 50/60 pax on board, Whatever about a sector to one of the UK airports with that load factor, But a 4/5 hour flight or maybe the flight was booked out with pax choosing not to fly?

Avoation1091

Acosta wrote: »

It's going to a hellish winter for aviation. Probably only a matter of time before Ryanair, Aer Lingus and others cancel a load of routes for the winter.

The way are Govt are going with restrictions probably. Hoping we hear of some help from Govt re help for Aer Lingus and Ryanair.

gral6

By the look of things, by 2021 Ireland would have no Irish aviation left. A lot of people would be happy though. No american tourists, no brazilian tourists.

tricky D

^^^ Hyperbole and obviously not true.

Widdensushi

gral6 wrote: »

By the look of things, by 2021 Ireland would have no Irish aviation left. A lot of people would be happy though. No american tourists, no brazilian tourists.

And we will have kevin Costner delivering the post

gral6

tricky D wrote: »

^^^ Hyperbole and obviously not true.

Sad but true with stupid current travel restriction. Aviation is not a charity

The Legend of Liscannor

Boeing making 19 out of 24 licensed aircraft engineers redundant in Dublin at the end of August . With the 737 MAX hopefully returning to our skies in the not too distant future it's hard to reconcile the fact that there is no use for what are essentially the most experienced MAX engineers in Europe during the RTS programme. Bean counters pulling rank over common sense?

To be an unemployed engineer in Ireland now will be a lonely road, everyone is downsizing and no one is hiring. Stobart letting all their recent hires go too.

IngazZagni

IAG have just posted a massive €1.365 Billion operating loss for the second quarter.
Aer Lingus recorded one of the biggest hits in percentage terms of the group with a €316 Million loss compared to a €78 Million operating profit this time last year.

Not entirely unexpected but now we know for sure how bad the airlines are hurting.

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2020/0731/1156607-iag-quarterly-results/

Jack1985

Aer Lingus undertaking review of continued operational viability of its Cork and Shannon bases and signalling intent of mass layoffs.

Captain_Crash

IngazZagni wrote: »

IAG have just posted a massive €1.365 Billion operating loss for the second quarter.
Aer Lingus recorded one of the biggest hits in percentage terms of the group with a €316 Million loss compared to a €78 Million operating profit this time last year.

Not entirely unexpected but now we know for sure how bad the airlines are hurting.

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2020/0731/1156607-iag-quarterly-results/

Just posted in the EI fleet thread, despite this.... they’ve seen less of a reduction in staffing and fleet numbers than the rest of the group! This tells me they have always been the most lean of the IAG group and best positioned to quickly bounce back

Jack1985

Jack1985 wrote: »

Aer Lingus undertaking review of continued operational viability of its Cork and Shannon bases and signalling intent of mass layoffs.

If not now, then when. A perfect opportunity for Management to slim down. Hopefully Management know the difference between fat and flesh but Management in modern Aer Lingus seem to be more sensible than in some other airlines.

smurfjed

Ouch

IAG, the owner of British Airways and Iberia, sank to a 3.8 billion euro ($4.5 billion) net loss in the first half as coronavirus ravaged global travel demand, it said Friday.

The London-listed airline conglomerate also unveiled plans for a capital increase of up to 2.75 billion euros in its results statement, as it seeks to navigate the "devastating impact" of COVID-19.

IQO

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2020/0731/1156608-klm-job-cuts/

"KLM, the Dutch arm of Air France-KLM, said today it would cut 1,500 additional jobs as part of a restructuring in which it needs to cut emissions by 50% by 2030 as well as prepare for recovering traffic after the coronavirus crisis.

Parent company Air France-KLM this week reported a €1.55 billion operating loss for the second quarter, with traffic down 95% from a year earlier.

KLM said the new cuts would mean its workforce, which was 33,000 before the pandemic, would be reduced by 20% in all by 2022. It did not rule out further cuts. "

Lapmo_Dancer

IngazZagni wrote: »

IAG have just posted a massive €1.365 Billion operating loss for the second quarter.
Aer Lingus recorded one of the biggest hits in percentage terms of the group with a €316 Million loss compared to a €78 Million operating profit this time last year.

Not entirely unexpected but now we know for sure how bad the airlines are hurting.

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2020/0731/1156607-iag-quarterly-results/

Q2 Operating Margins:
EI: -137.1%
BA: -197%
IB: -99.3%
VY: -2801.1% (not a typo)

based on load factors of:
EI: 9.2%
BA: 27.6%
IB: 49.3%
VY: 45.3%

IngazZagni

Lapmo_Dancer wrote: »

Q2 Operating Margins:
EI: -137.1%
BA: -197%
IB: -99.3%
VY: -2801.1% (not a typo)

based on load factors of:
EI: 9.2%
BA: 27.6%
IB: 49.3%
VY: 45.3%

Shocking numbers indeed. Revenue down nearly two thirds at Aer Lingus.

The Legend of Liscannor

The Legend of Liscannor wrote: »

Boeing making 19 out of 24 licensed aircraft engineers redundant in Dublin at the end of August . With the 737 MAX hopefully returning to our skies in the not too distant future it's hard to reconcile the fact that there is no use for what are essentially the most experienced MAX engineers in Europe during the RTS programme. Bean counters pulling rank over common sense?

To be an unemployed engineer in Ireland now will be a lonely road, everyone is downsizing and no one is hiring. Stobart letting all their recent hires go too.

To be going from 60-100k salaries to 208 euro a week is really tough to take bearing in mind the industry was in rude health up until covid and these careers have been arbitrarily stripped away at the stroke of a pen. The aer lingus engineers only got their pay fixed last year after a long time fighting for it.

Times like these make me think the dole should be indexed to your salary . People have bought cars , houses and started families commensurate to what they were earning at the time. To be given 208 a week after working years of night shifts and traditional holidays such as Christmas and bank holidays is a paltry social support.

This isn't a case of people over stretching themselves by living lavishly .This is a whole career and the industry in which the career exists being rendered null and void.

kona

The Legend of Liscannor wrote: »

To be going from 60-100k salaries to 208 euro a week is really tough to take bearing in mind the industry was in rude health up until covid and these careers have been arbitrarily stripped away at the stroke of a pen. The aer lingus engineers only got their pay fixed last year after a long time fighting for it.

Times like these make me think the dole should be indexed to your salary . People have bought cars , houses and started families commensurate to what they were earning at the time. To be given 208 a week after working years of night shifts and traditional holidays such as Christmas and bank holidays is a paltry social support.

This isn't a case of people over stretching themselves by living lavishly .This is a whole career and the industry in which the career exists being rendered null and void.

100% and from a public point of view 19 well paid skilled jobs fown the toilet, factor in the tax loss to the exchequer which could be up to a million.

I hope anybody who finds themselves in trouble is given all the support that can be given.