Turkish troops killed by Russian airstrikes ( Syria)

tillyfilly

Thaddeus Bitter Beefsteak wrote: »

Forgot the DJIA just had its biggest day drop in eons (since 2008?), 10%circa wiped from most markets within last week, about $3.5tr global trade down the pan. But that's small fish to fry all the same.

The breakup of the EU, think the aul mystic BabaVanga or someone predicted that decades ago, and spot on for 2016. Another aul geezer, Nostradamus had a couple of plague poems up his sleeve, but much less reliable.

The Turk-Syr-Rus love triangle/divorce would be a messy affair indeed, and a huge chuck of the entire MidEast region.

we were born into interesting times

Removalist

The horde will help spread this virus around Europe. Interesting times indeed.

BanditLuke

Removalist wrote: »

The horde will help spread this virus around Europe. Interesting times indeed.

Feck off they are people not a horde. Let's hope you and your family are never caught in the awful situation they face

Hande hoche!

Will be curious as to whether the Turks start supplying even more kit to the rebels. Aside from the previously mentioned Manpads and ATGMs.
Recently saw in the papers that they started supplying Hawk air defence systems to their allies in Libya. Wouldn't put it past Erodgan to do similar in Northern Syria.

kooper

I wonder if Erdogan blocks Bosporus, what will russians do...

nthclare

BanditLuke wrote: »

Feck off they are people not a horde. Let's hope you and your family are never caught in the awful situation they face

You're absolutely right, imagine living in a quite valley in Greece or Bulgaria minding your own business.
Living a tranquil life in a setting that could match any picturesque place in Europe.

To have parades of people trampling by your garden, sh1ting outside your house, pissing down boreens.
Begging for food etc
Singing rebellious chants and obviously there's going to be dangerous people who's intent isn't exactly peaceful.

You highlighted it very well.

archer22

Europe needs to grow a pair and start protecting it's borders...not just sitting there looking helpless and pathetic every time Sultan Erdogan decides to blackmail them by opening the floodgates.

Removalist

BanditLuke wrote: »

Feck off they are people not a horde. Let's hope you and your family are never caught in the awful situation they face

Not sure what your issue is, horde = large group of people...

Gatling

kooper wrote: »

I wonder if Erdogan blocks Bosporus, what will russians do...

Not a lot they can do ,they threaten it a few years back when Turkey shot down a russian jet that crossed into turkey ,
Close the straits and Russia ships can't go anywhere and can't get back to Russia either ,

Russia still only has limited forces and numbers in Syria compared to what turkey can bring into Syria fairly quickly

TheValeyard

kooper wrote: »

I wonder if Erdogan blocks Bosporus, what will russians do...

Cant block Bosorus, if Russian already sieze Bosporus

archer22

archer22 wrote: »

Europe needs to grow a pair and start protecting it's borders...

And had we done so in 2015 the UK would likely not have voted for Brexit in 2016.

riffmongous

nthclare wrote: »

You're absolutely right, imagine living in a quite valley in Greece or Bulgaria minding your own business.
Living a tranquil life in a setting that could match any picturesque place in Europe.

To have parades of people trampling by your garden, sh1ting outside your house, pissing down boreens.
Begging for food etc
Singing rebellious chants and obviously there's going to be dangerous people who's intent isn't exactly peaceful.

You highlighted it very well.

**** off with your ****e, were you there were you? Heard them singing did you? Saw the look in their eyes?

I was, I lived in a country the 'horde' passed through, just ordinary people

one world order

Islam is more to do with conquest unfortunately. It's why those that control the world have already set the stage for WW3 between Islam and the west.

Gatling

one world order wrote: »

WW3 between Islam and the west.

I thought it was China

Varik

Gatling wrote: »

I thought it was China

They called in sick

Lord Fairlord

one world order wrote: »

Might create another chemical attack, blame it on the Syrian government and use the mass produced mainstream media to justify their attacks on innocent civilians.

Tangentially, real journalism is rare these days but Peter Hitchens has been doing good
work on highlighting the shenanigans regarding Douma and the OPCW.

BanditLuke

I suppose with the Covid19 story this isn't getting much traction with the media but it deserves to. A wicked situation for all involved.

tillyfilly

Sounds like the Turks will carry out a full onslaught after this weekend coming failed talks

BanditLuke

Me thinks they thinking this is a very good time to bury bad news.

Removalist

riffmongous wrote: »

**** off with your ****e, were you there were you? Heard them singing did you? Saw the look in their eyes?

I was, I lived in a country the 'horde' passed through, just ordinary people

What country would that be?

Gatling

If American forces wiping out 600 russians in Syria last year didn't cause ww3 - russian killing a few Turks won't cause ww3 either , along with the plausible deniability that it was the Syrians who did it while russia going around trying to be the peace maker in all of this

Montage of Feck

The rise of the far right in Greece combined with a war between Russia and Turkey could open a sectarian Pandora's box in the Balkans.

4068ac1elhodqr

Montage of Feck wrote: »

The rise of the far right in Greece combined with a war between Russia and Turkey could open a sectarian Pandora's box in the Balkans.

And as the Western Balkans 6 are set to join the EU in years to come, a EU26 problem. They already have a GDP-PP about 50% that of Germany. Maybe someone send a memo to Boris and ask them to rejoin with some of their monies.

Cheerful Spring2

tillyfilly wrote: »

Sounds like the Turks will carry out a full onslaught after this weekend coming failed talks

Turkey is striking the Syrian regime forces positions around Aleppo and Idlib hard. They’ve used F-16 fighter jets, cruise missiles and drones to wipe out Syrian tanks, anti-air systems, military convoys and some bases belonging to the Syrian regime. 

Turkey and Syria are at war, but so far Russia has not answered back since yesterday incident. If Turkey carries on at this pace, they may obliterate Assad forces in the North in a week.  Russia not giving Assad force air cover today and Turkey is getting its revenge for last 12 hours.

I have seen only one report a Turkish jet radar locked a Russian jet near Idlib, but nothing seems to have happened.

Gatling

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Turkey and Syria are at war, but so far Russia has not answered back since yesterday incident.

It's more than likely russian forces attacked the Turks and not the Syrians in the first place ,
Americans forces shot at recently by forces carrying russian flags ,
Then we had russian vehicles trying to over take an American military convoy which could have gotten more russians killed ,
Israel are still hitting Iranians and Syrians forces with impunity

Someone is playing silly beggars

nthclare

riffmongous wrote: »

**** off with your ****e, were you there were you? Heard them singing did you? Saw the look in their eyes?

I was, I lived in a country the 'horde' passed through, just ordinary people

Sounds about right coming out of someone who's supposed to be a moderator, you're reacting rather than responding.

Ordinary people, ordinary people live ordinary lives.

paleoperson

Gatling wrote: »

If American forces wiping out 600 russians in Syria last year didn't cause ww3 - russian killing a few Turks won't cause ww3 either , along with the plausible deniability that it was the Syrians who did it while russia going around trying to be the peace maker in all of this

Why would it cause ww3? Everyone hates Turkey now and are glad about this. The only reason Russia would distance themselves from it is to try to protect their relationship with Turkey.

Turns out threatening the western world with floods of innocent migrants, invading and threatening a sovereign country and trying to do ethnic cleansing not only in your own but another country is bad for international relations.

Cheerful Spring2

paleoperson wrote: »

Why would it cause ww3? Everyone hates Turkey now and are glad about this. The only reason Russia would distance themselves from it is to try to protect their relationship with Turkey.

Turns out threatening the western world with floods of innocent migrants, invading and threatening a sovereign country and trying to do ethnic cleansing not only in your own but another country is bad for international relations.

Americans did not kill 600 Russian soldiers, that's Gatling fantasy.  The number given by good sources was about 50 to 100. And they're not Russian infantry, they are mercenaries employed by a military contractor in Russia to go fight in Syria and Ukraine for payment.  US claims they phoned Russia to inquire did they have forces in the region; they said no, and convoy then got hit. Putin will deny this and not speak about it because they are not part of the Russian professional army.   

Beasty

nthclare wrote: »

Sounds about right coming out of someone who's supposed to be a moderator, you're reacting rather than responding.

Ordinary people, ordinary people live ordinary lives.

They are not a moderator of this forum.

Interesting how Turkey opens its borders to release migrants into Europe as a "punishment" or as a bargaining chip.

Europe scrambling to block said migrants (which now seem to be referred to as "irregular migrants").

Seems like only yesterday we were being bombarded with the message that controlling Europe's immigration was tantamount to racism and showed a lack of compassion. I just wish the likes of Merkel were held to account about exactly why the complete U-turn was made. Was she wrong in 2015 and she is right now? Was she wrong to say multi culturalism had failed or was she correct? Shame we will never get to see her grilled on the thought process for such seismic changes in approach.