Turkish troops killed by Russian airstrikes ( Syria)

archer22

Erdogan is a terrorism sponsor and a migrant trafficker who constantly threatens Europe

The European Union should sanction the sh1t out of Turkey immediately,if they were willing to do that to Iran who posed no threat to Europe then they should have no barriers in doing it to Turkey who poses a very real and imminent danger.

Blueshoe

archer22 wrote: »

Erdogan is a terrorism sponsor and a migrant trafficker who constantly threatens Europe

The European Union should sanction the sh1t out of Turkey immediately,if they were willing to do that to Iran who posed no threat to Europe then they should have no barriers in doing it to Turkey who poses a very real and imminent danger.

Turkey releasing prisoners and busing people to the border telling them that the path is open. They then shut the gate behind them and left the people stuck in the middle.
Sneaky Turks

Montage of Feck

The Cubans did the same thing with the Mariel boatlift.

nacho libre

Gatling wrote: »

Nothing new there russian military are the police and they patrol Syrians towns and villages ,

They had not been deployed there the first time Assad's forces took it. Their presence now in the city means another battle for it is likely over as Turkey won't risk killing Russians.

nacho libre

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

I’m not denying there still resistance in the south, still what i read, it's just a small group carrying out limited attacks.

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A deal has been reached for the FSA cells in Daraa to relocate to Northern Syria.

zom

Removalist wrote: »

nor am I too young to remember her "multiculturalism has failed" comments.

She actually said that in 2010 which makes her invitations from 2015 even more surprising. And to be clear I am the last to judge those poor people trying to sneak into Europe after some incompetent political idiots planted the idea in their minds. Someone should paid for what was done and Merkel is first on the list.

Cheerful Spring2

nacho libre wrote: »

They had not been deployed there the first time Assad's forces took it. Their presence now in the city means another battle for it is likely over as Turkey won't risk killing Russians.

Russian MP force moved out today. The fighting was too rough for them to continue in the area. They’ll continue fighting for it both sides.  Eyes on Tomo when Putin and Erdogan meet to determine the next move. Break down of talks likely means an increase in Turkish attacks. It is bad already, but Turkey has not yet send in its large army to change the status quo.  Turks are using artillery, warplanes and attack air drones to take out Syrian advancing forces. The jihadist backed Turkish fighters are mostly fighting the SAA (regime forces on the outskirts of Southern Idlib) The Turkish military is massing to the north of Idlib, away from the heaviest of the fighting. 

Hande hoche!

Talk of another ceasefire in Idlib. Curious as to whether in takes weeks or months for it to collapse?
Imagine the Syrians might actually welcome it to an extent, gives them a chance to recover after the Turkish strikes.
Would be very dubious as to the ability of the Turks to hold back their supported proxies.

Gatling

Hande hoche! wrote: »

Talk of another ceasefire in Idlib. Curious as to whether in takes weeks or months for it to collapse?
Imagine the Syrians might actually welcome it to an extent, gives them a chance to recover after the Turkish strikes.
Would be very dubious as to the ability of the Turks to hold back their supported proxies.

Reports suggest Iran has had to send a lot of re-enforcements from themselves and hizbolla to hold ground the Syrians can't ,

Makes you wonder how much longer Russia and iran are willing to stay in Syria ,the assad regime are a dead horse at this stage ,they won't see the end of this conflict as long as the regime is still hanging on ,
The kurds want there cut
The Turks want to stop the Kurds
Iran and hizbolla want bases in Syria but Israel are bombing them on a near daily basis
Turks want Assad gone
Putin has no end game just sitting there trying to be bank robber and cop at the same time.
And somewhere in all of this an unstable trump

jackboy

Gatling wrote: »

Makes you wonder how much longer Russia and iran are willing to stay in Syria ,the assad regime are a dead horse at this stage ,they won't see the end of this conflict as long as the regime is still hanging on ,
The kurds want there cut
The Turks want to stop the Kurds
Iran and hizbolla want bases in Syria but Israel are bombing them on a near daily basis
Turks want Assad gone
Putin has no end game just sitting there trying to be bank robber and cop at the same time.
And somewhere in all of this an unstable trump

What a mess. Maybe trump was right to get out and leave them at it.

Gatling

jackboy wrote: »

What a mess. Maybe trump was right to get out and leave them at it.

It has been since the start ,we get posters celebrating that Putin is putting it up to America , never mind the tens of thousands of innocent civilians being bombarded by Russians and the Assad regime with no real clue as to whats going on on the ground as long as it's America did this and America did that but let's not mention putin and Assad who are both personally responsible for war crimes against the Syrian population (despite what several others think there not actually terrorists) they have several foreign groups forcing power on them most of whom are not Syrian.

If anything we need a really strong United west who can say enough is enough iran , Russia ,Assad turkey need to get out of Syria and a international force under the UN take control until a unified government can be formed and peace brought to the country

Outlaw Pete

jackboy wrote: »

What a mess. Maybe trump was right to get out and leave them at it.

To add to the mess Hezbollah have accused Mustafa Al-Kazemi of working with the US to take out Soleimani.

Gatling

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

To add to the mess Hezbollah have accused Mustafa Al-Kazemi of working with the US to take out Soleimani.

Seen that , unfortunately trump didn't need anyone's help outside of his own people ,
Hizbolla are just trying to stoke the fire , remember soleimani getting reduced to a smoking hand was supposed to be the catalyst for ww3 ,
All in the end was a shot down civilian airliner and more dead Iranians

jackboy

Gatling wrote: »

If anything we need a really strong United west who can say enough is enough iran , Russia ,Assad turkey need to get out of Syria and a international force under the UN take control until a unified government can be formed and peace brought to the country

Can’t see trump getting involved again. If sanders or Biden win the next election then we will have an extremely weak president, who will also stay out of it. The EU is weak and getting weaker. The euro army is likely to be nothing more than an attempt to set up a European police force to stamp out EU dissent (if that is not too close to being a conspiracy theory).

So basically the west of the future will be less united.

Outlaw Pete

Gatling wrote: »

Seen that , unfortunately trump didn't need anyone's help outside of his own people

Big change from the Obama administration having his back and tipping him off that he was about to be taken out:

https://pjmedia.com/trending/obama-administration-stopped-israel-from-assassinating-soleimani-in-2015-report-says/

Not the only big change between the administrations of course. They have a more fiscal issues now too:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-12-31/iran-s-rouhani-says-u-s-sanctions-cost-country-200-billion

Lord Fairlord

Gatling wrote: »

It has been since the start ,we get posters celebrating that Putin is putting it up to America , never mind the tens of thousands of innocent civilians being bombarded by Russians and the Assad regime with no real clue as to whats going on on the ground as long as it's America did this and America did that but let's not mention putin and Assad who are both personally responsible for war crimes against the Syrian population (despite what several others think there not actually terrorists) they have several foreign groups forcing power on them most of whom are not Syrian.

If anything we need a really strong United west who can say enough is enough iran , Russia ,Assad turkey need to get out of Syria and a international force under the UN take control until a unified government can be formed and peace brought to the country

Because overthrowing the Governments of Iraq and Libya went so well...
Btw, plenty of innocent civilians were bombarded in the USA's airstrikes against ISIS in Iraq.

As a general note, for people want information from a journalist who has been on the ground in Syria they should look up Vanessa Beeley.

Gatling

Lord Fairlord wrote: »

Because overthrowing the Governments of Iraq and Libya went so well

As it stands there is no legitimate government in Syria .

So yeah the difference between casualties in iraq fighting Isis and the war crimes committed by assad and putin who were solely targeting and attacking the civilian population and civilian infrastructure such as schools , hospitals and markets and civilian aid convoys using dumb weapons to chemical weapons

Vanessa is an RT shill and assad supporter (glad I never have high hopes for new regs accounts)

one world order

It was the Americans that created ISIS in Syria and Iraq to overthrow an elected government. They used the mass produced mainstream media to pretend they were bringing democracy to the country, while their true intentions were to get their guys in control so the gas pipeline from Qatar to Turkey would proceed. Millions of innocent people displaced or dead is an added bonus to the controller's of the American war machine.

Lord Fairlord

Gatling wrote: »

As it stands there is no legitimate government in Syria .

So yeah the difference between casualties in iraq fighting Isis and the war crimes committed by assad and putin who were solely targeting and attacking the civilian population and civilian infrastructure such as schools , hospitals and markets and civilian aid convoys using dumb weapons to chemical weapons

Vanessa is an RT shill and assad supporter (glad I never have high hopes for new regs accounts)

Where is your proof that Assad and Putin have a policy of deliberately targeting civilians?
The terrorists that the Syrian state is fighting have placed themselves in amongst the civilian population - just like ISIS had and yet that didn't stop the Americans from bombing them.
If you want a journalist who is mainstream and not a fan of Assad, read Peter Hitchens. He makes an excellent case against Western military intervention in Syria.

Gatling

Lord Fairlord wrote: »

Where is your proof that Assad and Putin have a policy of deliberately targeting civilians

Yes the assputin regime are deliberately targeting civilian populations and civilian infrastructures such as schools , civilian hospitals ,food markets ,


All well documented comrade


Peter Hitchens: Why I stand up for Russia, women should stay in the kitchen , homosexualities are wrong people will read any nonsense

Fritzbox

Lord Fairlord wrote: »

Where is your proof that Assad and Putin have a policy of deliberately targeting civilians?

There may be no proof that the Syrians and Russians had a policy of deliberately targeting civilians - however, there is plenty of proof that they didn't give a sh1t about the lives of of civilians when bombing targets.

Lord Fairlord

Gatling wrote: »

Yes the assputin regime are deliberately targeting civilian populations and civilian infrastructures such as schools , civilian hospitals ,food markets ,

All documented comrade

Are Islamists using or not using schools, hospitals etc. as bases for themselves?

Gatling

Fritzbox wrote: »

There may be no proof that the Syrians and Russians had a policy of deliberately targeting civilians

There is plenty from of proof

Gatling

Lord Fairlord wrote: »

Are Islamists using or not using schools, hospitals etc. as bases for themselves?

No have russian forces found any Islamists operating in hospital base's

Odd that plenty of dead sick children but no terrorists odd no .

No explanation no

Lord Fairlord

Fritzbox wrote: »

There may be no proof that the Syrians and Russians had a policy of deliberately targeting civilians - however, there is plenty of proof that they didn't give a sh1t about the lives of of civilians when bombing targets.

I abhor the loss of civilian lives. It's pertinent to point out however that many many civilians have died in American bombing of ISIS targets in Iraq - it sadly seems that loss of civilian life comes with such bombing campaigns.

Gatling

Lord Fairlord wrote: »

I abhor the loss of civilian lives. .

What about

What about

What about

Yeah no

Fritzbox

Lord Fairlord wrote: »

I abhor the loss of civilian lives. It's pertinent to point out however that many many civilians have died in American bombing of ISIS targets in Iraq - it sadly seems that loss of civilian life comes with such bombing campaigns.

I though we were discussing the war in Syria - especially on Syrian and Russian use of airpower?
I don't the Americans are bombing anybody in Iraq at the moment - isn't that war over?

Lord Fairlord

Gatling wrote: »

No have russian forces found any Islamists operating in hospital base's

Odd that plenty of dead sick children but no terrorists odd no .

No explanation no

Islamists have been using civilians as human shields in Syria. Their bases are in civilian areas. It's quite clear that they are present around civilian infrastructure.
Again the onus is on the person making the claim to provide proof that Assad and/or Putin have a deliberate policy of attacking civilians.

Lord Fairlord

Fritzbox wrote: »

I though we were discussing the war in Syria - especially on Syrian and Russian use of airpower?
I don't the Americans are bombing anybody in Iraq at the moment - isn't that war over?

They were until quite recently. The point that I was making is that large bombing campaigns seem to result in many civilian casualties. Also ISIS operated their "caliphate" over both Iraq and Syria so it's pertinent.

Gatling

Lord Fairlord wrote: »

Islamists have been using civilians as human shields in Syria.

So that's a definite no .


Thought so .