End of Afghanistan war

Gatling

Looks like we have officially seen the end of the war in Afghanistan today with joint agreements between the US , Afghanistan and the Taliban today ending American and NATOs involvement.
All US and NATO troops to withdraw completely in the next 14 months.
The deal agrees the complete withdrawal of US and Nato troops within 14 months and the US undertakes to refrain from the use of force against Afghanistan or intervening in domestic affairs.

Seems it was win /win for the Taliban and all loss for Afghanistan and it's people


https://news.sky.com/story/us-and-taliban-sign-historic-peace-agreement-hailed-as-momentous-day-11946209

Hande hoche!

After close to twenty years can understand the Americans wanting to withdraw.

BanditLuke

Yeah well Trump did say he wanted out so i guess this is it. For me it looks like a defeat and the abandonment of the Afgan people.

Remember an interview years ago with a Taliban commander in which the interviewer asked him what's there strategy to defeat the Americans, he went on to simply say "They have the clock and we have forever".

Montage of Feck

What an absolute waste for it to come to this with the Taliban back in control of Afghanistan! To think it only took some intelligence and a single seal team to eventually get Ben Laden in Pakistan.

Muahahaha

So whats the deal? Sounds like the Taliban get to continue on supplying the global heroin trade and the Americans get to avoid more dead soldiers. Pretty much sums it up, its been a complete foreign policy misadventure by the Americans from the offing.

TheValeyard

Muahahaha wrote: »

So whats the deal? Sounds like the Taliban get to continue on supplying the global heroin trade and the Americans get to avoid more dead soldiers. Pretty much sums it up, its been a complete foreign policy misadventure by the Americans from the offing.

Didn't the Taliban originally completely stamp out the heroin trade?

ceadaoin.

It's just like homeland. That show really gets it spot on sometimes

jam_mac_jam

Well what a complete waste of time, money and lives that was.

tillyfilly

18 years , it proves NATO is more durable than Russia and that's about it

RichardoKhan

I'm sure the Women in Afghanistan are delighted!

gbo1967

They should’ve gone in after the World Trade Center, took out the Taliban government and used intelligence to find Bin Laden and then leave.

This all could’ve been finished by 2003 but no.

gw80

RichardoKhan wrote: »

I'm sure the Women in Afghanistan are delighted!

You can't impose change on a nation or country by force, it has to come from within.
Afghanistan being a prime example.

SEPT 23 1989

History will be very kind to Trump

TheValeyard

ceadaoin. wrote: »

It's just like homeland. That show really gets it spot on sometimes

Yeah, scarily close to the show.

Call Me Jimmy

BanditLuke wrote: »

Yeah well Trump did say he wanted out so i guess this is it. For me it looks like a defeat and the abandonment of the Afgan people.

Remember an interview years ago with a Taliban commander in which the interviewer asked him what's there strategy to defeat the Americans, he went on to simply say "They have the clock and we have forever".

And the Americans couldn't stay there forever.

the_syco

I wonder will the Americans stop going there, or will operations that happen there just not be done officially?

Homelander

It's genuinely almost scary how close Homeland is to all of this in the current season (and would've been filmed a fair period of time ago), though it's still playing out so we don't know where it'll end up.

Zico

9th Company

Muahahaha

TheValeyard wrote: »

Didn't the Taliban originally completely stamp out the heroin trade?

Dont think it was ever stamped out despite both the Taliban and the Americians claiming it was at various stages. It went from Taliban control to war lord control and then back to Taliban control when they needed it to fund the war against the US. Over 80% of the worlds heroin supply is coming from there these days and many top government officials are actually drug traffickers. Its a mess.

Montage of Feck

tillyfilly wrote: »

18 years , it proves NATO is more durable than Russia and that's about it

Ivan was doing a decent job before Rambo arrived with stinger missiles.

Jinglejangle69

This will last a few weeks and normal service resumed.

jmreire

Montage of Feck wrote: »

Ivan was doing a decent job before Rambo arrived with stinger missiles.

The biggest strategic mistake that the US ever made, was exactly that.... supplying stinger ( and other) missiles to the then Mujahideen, which enabled them to get the Russians out of Afghanistan.

skooterblue2

Muahahaha wrote: »

Over 80% of the worlds heroin supply is coming from there these days and many top government officials are actually drug traffickers. Its a mess.

All that matters is the Sacklers get their Opium. Dont worry the Chinese will be there a few weeks after the Americans leave.

jmreire

skooterblue2 wrote: »

All that matters is the Sacklers get their Opium. Dont worry the Chinese will be there a few weeks after the Americans leave.

They are already there,,,and have been for years, since 2013 officially, but much earlier than that. They have bought up more than an estimated $1 trillion worth of unexploited minerals and exploration rights there. Some of these sites contain priceless artifacts, dating from much earlier in history, and now under the control of the Chinese. Be interesting to see what the Taliban think of that arrangement ,,,,,,

skooterblue2

jmreire wrote: »

They have bought up more than an estimated $1 trillion worth of unexploited minerals and exploration rights there. Some of these sites contain priceless artifacts, dating from much earlier in history, and now under the control of the Chinese. Be interesting to see what the Taliban think of that arrangement ,,,,,,

Who says its priceless? Everyone has their price. Even the Taliban have a number its just a matter of negotiating it.

Victor

Hande hoche! wrote: »

After close to twenty years can understand the Americans wanting to withdraw.

Notably, there has been war in Afghanistan since at least 1978. Less that 17% of Afghans were born before then.

Montage of Feck wrote: »

Ivan was doing a decent job before Rambo arrived with stinger missiles.

There has been recent concern that Soviet casualties were much higher than published. Not to mention the 1 million Afghans that were killed in the 1980s.

jmreire

Muahahaha wrote: »

Dont think it was ever stamped out despite both the Taliban and the Americians claiming it was at various stages. It went from Taliban control to war lord control and then back to Taliban control when they needed it to fund the war against the US. Over 80% of the worlds heroin supply is coming from there these days and many top government officials are actually drug traffickers. Its a mess.

At one point, Mullah Omar forbade it..and his word was Law (even after his death) He considered it to be "Un-Islamic". But I'm pretty sure that after him, it was pretty much business as usual...

skooterblue2

jmreire wrote: »

At one point, Mullah Omar forbade it..and his word was Law (even after his death) He considered it to be "Un-Islamic". But I'm pretty sure that after him, it was pretty much business as usual...

Once again, some guy turns up with a suitcase of cash flanked by private contractor, you are going to be fairly amenable to talking and setting up supply lines.

jmreire

Muahahaha wrote: »

So whats the deal? Sounds like the Taliban get to continue on supplying the global heroin trade and the Americans get to avoid more dead soldiers. Pretty much sums it up, its been a complete foreign policy misadventure by the Americans from the offing.

The Taliban were asked to give up OBL, and they refused, so the Americans went in to capture him. Bear in mind, that after the twin tower's destruction, straight logical thinking went straight out the window, unless it concerned the capture and punishment of the "Mastermind" behind it. There were no other objective's in sight at that time.

jmreire

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Who says its priceless? Everyone has their price. Even the Taliban have a number its just a matter of negotiating it.

Maybe, but I would not consider the Taliban to be your ordinary business men...they will weight any deal according to their own criteria...and I would not take any bets that they will honor any deal's that they personally have not endorsed...and especially if any of these sites have Islamic significance. The previous Govt might have ( and most likely were ) been as corrupt as hell. But these guys are something else.

Gatling

jmreire wrote: »

The Taliban were asked to give up OBL, and they refused, so the Americans went in to capture him. Bear in mind, that after the twin tower's destruction, straight logical thinking went straight out the window, unless it concerned the capture and punishment of the "Mastermind" behind it. There were no other objective's in sight at that time.

One of their biggest mistakes we go in and a few weeks later we will wipe out ALQ and bin Laden and we go home victorious ,
18 years later fighting the Taliban , Pakistani intelligence services (who are American allies ) oh we will rebuild Afghanistan but can only control Kabul to a degree and little outside ,
Now they will withdraw and allow the Taliban and likely a new branch of isis to go to war again .

This won't end well at all