'Shock Poll' Sinn Fein now on 35%

FrancieBrady

So many of the FG FF gene pool still very angry. Doesn't seem to be abating.

Jinglejangle69

RandomName2 wrote: »

Just learned the work brickbat. Maybe I really am as slow as you claim?



Other than my ideological opinion in relation to SF, nothing at all. However the group-think is strong with the Sinn Fein fanboys. Not a critical word of their beloved party will be stomached. Instead it will be attributed to FFG acolytes. This is hilariously

OUT OF TOUCH (as pjohnson would say)

when it comes to someone like me.

It is totally legitimate for someone to support FF or FG. They'd get shouted down here or elsewhere online. Because I'm clearly not a fan of FF or FG the Sinn Fein fanboys have to out with weak shi*e saying that a point I make is rambling, or (sigh) crying at the sky, or is a hissy fit. I've heard some more dramatic opponents of Sinn Fein claim that Sinn Fein propaganda is 'worthy of Goebbels'. It clearly, clearly ain't.

Just seen a SF supporter on breaking news.ie call Leo a sausage eating twat.

The online abuse is horrible nowadays.

Jinglejangle69

FrancieBrady wrote: »

So many of the FG FF gene pool still very angry. Doesn't seem to be abating.

Who's angry:)

FrancieBrady

RandomName2 wrote: »

It is totally legitimate for someone to support FF or FG. They'd get shouted down here or elsewhere online. Because I'm clearly not a fan of FF or FG the Sinn Fein fanboys have to come out with weak shi*e saying that a point I make is rambling, or (sigh) crying at the sky, or is a hissy fit. I've heard some more dramatic opponents of Sinn Fein claim that Sinn Fein propaganda is 'worthy of Goebbels'. It clearly, clearly ain't.

What the hell is that ramble about. Seriously, have an early night. You are making little to no sense in fairness.

Jinglejangle69

FrancieBrady wrote: »

What the hell is that ramble about. Seriously, have an early night. You are making little to no sense in fairness.

More mature debate.

dark crystal

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Just seen a SF supporter on breaking news.ie call Leo a sausage eating twat.

The online abuse is horrible nowadays.

Is Catherine Noone at it again??

Jinglejangle69

dark crystal wrote: »

Is Catherine Noone at it again??

Deflect deflect deflect.

What about, what about, what about.

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

dark crystal

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Deflect deflect deflect.

What about, what about, what about.

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

'Twas merely a joke, relax

Jinglejangle69

dark crystal wrote: »

'Twas merely a joke, relax

Ok:)

RandomName2

FrancieBrady wrote: »

So many of the FG FF gene pool still very angry. Doesn't seem to be abating.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

What the hell is that ramble about. Seriously, have an early night. You are making little to no sense in fairness.

Suckit

STB. wrote: »

Getting elected from buzzwords, and having the ability to have an active role in government are vastly different things. 25% is a minority. 75% is a majority. 75% did not buy into just a buzzword.

The Greens had a 500% increase in returned seats in the election. SF hoovered up the missing Labour Party's vote, the massive void that electorate struggled to fill since post 2011.

And just incase you think I have any political allegiance, I'd put them all on an unmanned boat and let it off to sea. The vast majority are self serving hustlers.

Sorry, are you counting FF and FG as one?
FF and FG individually got less than SF, so 75% did not buy into whatever either one of them were peddling either.
Either of those having an active role in government will likely be after agreeing to coalesce with each other.
But they claim to be different. Like it or not, this election has changed a lot of things already.
I don't assume anyone on here has any political allegiance, and don't make any reference unless they have stated otherwise.

Bishop of hope

FrancieBrady wrote: »

So many of the FG FF gene pool still very angry. Doesn't seem to be abating.

Everyone who isn't a SF supporter isn't angry, just bemused by the antics and uttering of some SF supporters.
I'm from a FF gene pool myself, not a supporter myself but was before.
However I'm proud of my gene pool, great people.
What's yours?

RandomName2

Suckit wrote: »

Sorry, are you counting FF and FG as one?

FF and FG individually got less than SF, so 75% did not buy into whatever either one of them were peddling either.

I don't think I have ever once seen a Sinn Fein supporter count FF or FG as one. Nope. Not once. Probably every single time that they post a comment.

Suckit wrote: »

I don't assume anyone on here has any political allegiance, and don't make any reference unless they have stated otherwise.

I think that if someone's political posting amounts to a 100% defense of a particular party, and they are actively hostile to anyone who criticizes that party, then they probably have a bit of a political allegiance.

FrancieBrady

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Everyone who isn't a SF supporter isn't angry, just bemused by the antics and uttering of some SF supporters.
I'm from a FF gene pool myself, not a supporter myself but was before.
However I'm proud of my gene pool, great people.
What's yours?

My family were FF, but I have given a first preference to nearly every party at different times. First time voting SF in a GE this time.

And I do get a sense of anger on here. It is very noticeable among some posters.
I gave a very reasonable answer and got leapt on as a SF Fanboy.

Suckit

RandomName2 wrote: »

I don't think I have ever once seen a Sinn Fein supporter count FF or FG as one. Nope. Not once. Probably every single time that they post a comment.

I wouldn't have thought he was a Sinn Fein supporter, but there you go. You never can tell.

RandomName2 wrote: »

I think that if someone's political posting amounts to a 100% defense of a particular party, and they are actively hostile to anyone who criticizes that party, then they probably have a bit of a political allegiance.

That's one way to look at things. But again, you never can tell.

dxhound2005

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The preference of a large number of people is not to have either in government but pragmatically that is not possible. So the alternative is to have one of them in government with a left party to temper their excesses and bad governance.

They would need to temper their arrogance. Presenting themselves as a force for good who will cancel out the bad on the other side is not very pragmatic.

Jinglejangle69

FrancieBrady wrote: »

My family were FF, but I have given a first preference to nearly every party at different times. First time voting SF in a GE this time.

And I do get a sense of anger on here. It is very noticeable among some posters.
I gave a very reasonable answer and got leapt on as a SF Fanboy.

Ah Francie look at your post history and number of posts supporting SF in the last 6 months!!

Look whatever you do with your time is up to you but don't get annoyed when you're called a SF fanboy:)

You literally never stop here, it's every minute of every day!!

Where do you get the time and the patient wife:)

STB.

Suckit wrote: »

Sorry, are you counting FF and FG as one?
FF and FG individually got less than SF, so 75% did not buy into whatever either one of them were peddling either.
Either of those having an active role in government will likely be after agreeing to coalesce with each other.
But they claim to be different. Like it or not, this election has changed a lot of things already.
I don't assume anyone on here has any political allegiance, and don't make any reference unless they have stated otherwise.

Suckit.

The way voting works in this country is proportional representation, nothing else. The largest party is the one that returns the most seats with any government formation requiring at least 80 seats for a majority.

The pecking order is FF 38. SF 37. FG 35.

37 seats out of 180 is not a majority. The largest single party is clearly FF, but not by much.

Am I saying that FF and FG are the one and the same ? It doesn't matter if I see them as Pepsi and Coke (best analogy I can come up with). What matters is that their policies are closer than anyone else they can (or are willing to) form a government with. Added together that amounts to 73 of the 80 seats required. As distinct from 37.

FrancieBrady

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Ah Francie look at your post history and number of posts supporting SF in the last 6 months!!

Look whatever you do with your time is up to you but don't get annoyed whem you're called a SF fanboy:)

You literally never stop here, it's every minute of every day!!

Where do you get the time and the patient wife:)

You need to catch up with technology Jingle.

As I have said umpteen times, my postings here take up very little of my day. And I am in front of a screen all day everyday and my wife is very happy with the revenue it brings in thanks very much all the same.

Have you anything of substance to contribute yourself? I'd hate to be wasting my time trying to troll threads with the latest FG buzz directives as you are.

Jinglejangle69

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You need to catch up with technology Jingle.

As I have said umpteen times, my postings here take up very little of my day. And I am in front of a screen all day everyday and my wife is very happy with the revenue it brings in thanks very much all the same.

Have you anything of substance to contribute yourself? I'd hate to be wasting my time trying to troll threads with the latest FG buzz directives as you are.

As I said Francie.

I applaud you:)

FrancieBrady

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

As I said Francie.

I applaud you:)

I'd prefer if you added some independent thought to the discussion...but clap away in the corner there if that's your thang.

Jinglejangle69

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I'd prefer if you added some independent thought to the discussion...but clap away in the corner there if that's your thang.

I will thanks!!

RandomName2

Suckit wrote: »

I wouldn't have thought he was a Sinn Fein supporter, but there you go. You never can tell.

Look, what I'm doing here is calling out Sinn Fein hypocrisy. It is entirely appropriate for a party and supporters who so often say contradictory things.

They use personal attacks all the time, but rear up as soon as it is reflected back on them. Claim FFFFFG is the same party if you want, but be prepared for the combined vote of FF and FG being almost double that of SF's. If the claim that FF and FG are the same party because they are left leaning republican parties with large machinery who are only interested in getting into power, then I'd say a look in the mirror is also required in that department.

Suckit wrote: »

That's one way to look at things. But again, you never can tell.

You can always tell. Most of these people here are entirely transparent in their allegiance. It is binary. Sinn Fein is always of the mind 'you are either with us or against us' but in truth this tends to be the case with online discussion anyway.

I actually want a political shakeup but I am concerned about Sinn Fein's ideological position, and general competence. They have long established that they tend to place ideology before pragmatism (not exclusively, but mostly). The Sinn Fein supporters here are not really interested in discussing Sinn Fein other than generating more noise for their party. At best they are sophists, or at worst just screeching at their opponents (calling them mad, loopy, west-brits, whatever). They are little more than meat puppets, and the paucity of their political position should be highlighted. The fact that Sinn Fein has had such a rough relationship with the truth merely adds to this.

Odhinn

RandomName2 wrote: »

.............

You can always tell. Most of these people here are entirely transparent in their allegiance. It is binary. Sinn Fein is always of the mind 'you are either with us or against us' but in truth this tends to be the case with online discussion anyway.

I actually want a political shakeup but I am concerned about Sinn Fein's ideological position, and general competence. They have long established that they tend to place ideology before pragmatism (not exclusively, but mostly). The Sinn Fein supporters here are not really interested in discussing Sinn Fein other than generating more noise for their party. At best they are sophists, or at worst just screeching at their opponents (calling them mad, loopy, west-brits, whatever). They are little more than meat puppets, and the paucity of their political position should be highlighted.

So they have principles and thats a problem?

dxhound2005

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

I will thanks!!

When you add your independent thoughts, be prepared for a barrage of what about the other side, look what they done. You won't get any acceptance that SF are ever in the wrong.

RandomName2

Odhinn wrote: »

So they have principles and thats a problem?

The substance of those principles is more the problem, but having a position that the ends justify the means is in itself typically immoral.

FrancieBrady

RandomName2 wrote: »

Look, what I'm doing here is calling out Sinn Fein hypocrisy. It is entirely appropriate for a party and supporters who so often say contradictory things.

They use personal attacks all the time, but rear up as soon as it is reflected back on them. Claim FFFFFG is the same party if you want, but be prepared for the combined vote of FF and FG being almost double that of SF's. If the claim that FF and FG are the same party because they are left leaning republican parties with large machinery who are only interested in getting into power, then I'd say a look in the mirror is also required in that department.



You can always tell. Most of these people here are entirely transparent in their allegiance. It is binary. Sinn Fein is always of the mind 'you are either with us or against us' but in truth this tends to be the case with online discussion anyway.

I actually want a political shakeup but I am concerned about Sinn Fein's ideological position, and general competence. They have long established that they tend to place ideology before pragmatism (not exclusively, but mostly). The Sinn Fein supporters here are not really interested in discussing Sinn Fein other than generating more noise for their party. At best they are sophists, or at worst just screeching at their opponents (calling them mad, loopy, west-brits, whatever). They are little more than meat puppets, and the paucity of their political position should be highlighted. The fact that Sinn Fein has had such a rough relationship with the truth merely adds to this.

This is just funny now.

Person calling Shinners out goes on to call them 'meat puppets'.

Not sure what a 'meat puppet' it is but I'd be fairly sure it's a 'screeching' insult.

RandomName2

FrancieBrady wrote: »

This is just funny now.

Person calling Shinners out goes on to call them 'meat puppets'.

Not sure what a 'meat puppet' it is but I'd be fairly sure it's a 'screeching' insult.

Have you anything of substance to contribute yourself? I'd hate to be wasting my time trying to troll threads with the latest SF buzz directives as you are.

Seathrun66

is_that_so wrote: »

PBP as well.

PBP voted for Mary Lou as Taoiseach.

The Social Democrats continue to talk to SF.

As do many independents.

growleaves

RandomName2 wrote: »

I actually want a political shakeup but I am concerned about Sinn Fein's ideological position, and general competence.

Well I'm concerned about FF and FG's ideological position which has never been entirely stable since the foundation of the state, but in the last decade especially has been going further into an Ayn Randian economic liberal direction. Selling off State assets, bemoaning people on welfare etc.

I used to be averse to SF because I thought they were Marxist extremists. But I dont think they are anymore.

Its now very easy for them to gobble up the left-centre ground since no one else wants it.

They may or may not be competent administrators.