Coronavirus Part III - 9 cases across the Island - 503 errors abound!! *read OP*

solidasarock

Deleted User wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/mar/01/coronavirus-latest-updates-coronavirus-live-updates-latest-news-china-wuhan-stock-markets-update-china-iran-us-australia-south-korea-japan

The Australian cronavirus travel restriction strategy

tuxy

Still on Australia, and on Sunday, the country’s Home Affairs minister, Peter Dutton, said it was not possible to extend travel bans to all countries affected by the coronavirus outbreak, but he defended Australia’s decision to restrict entry to people who had travelled from Iran, but not South Korea, which has many more cases.

It's an easy to restrict travel on a country with few economic ties to your own.
Restricted travel with South Korea could have serious negative consequences to Australian companies.
I assume they have weighted up the odd and are taking a chance on this working out best.

Ficheall

GooglePlus wrote: »

Could very well be but a runny nose is a symptom of covid-19, where are you getting this 4% figure?

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058056799

tuxy

Ficheall wrote: »

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058056799

Yes it's been make clear from that start that excessive mucus is not usually a symptom of this virus.

Graces7

tuxy wrote: »

Yes it's been make clear from that start that excessive mucus is not usually a symptom of this virus.

also although bad weather the hay fever season has started; various grass and tree pollens.

Beanybabog

Downlinz wrote: »

Anyone going to the supermarket tomorrow to stock up? Be honest.

There’s not a single delivery slot on Tesco app for Monday.

Kermit.de.frog

Thailand reports 1st death off 42 cases.

darjeeling

https://twitter.com/trvrb/status/1233970271318503426

The same rare mutation was shared by viral genomes isolated from a Wuhan returnee to Washington state on Jan 19 and yesterday's community transmission case from Seattle.

This means that covid19 has likely been circulating undetected in WA since that first case 6 weeks ago.

Tweet comes from a lead scientist behind the work & creator of nextstrain.org, where the phylogenetic tree of all covid19 sequences to date is viewable.

Reports of up to 50 symptomatic people in a nursing home there as the governor declares a state of emergency.
https://apnews.com/f175d89567a26d59cab27725c9e8a0d7

megabomberman

Could our moronic representatives now get together and form a national government to deal with this crisis. We will need to commit at least a billion into this right away to try and prevent thousands of preventable deaths.

Kermit.de.frog

Death in Thailand was 35 years old.

Ficheall

megabomberman wrote: »

We will need to commit at least a billion into this right away to try and prevent thousands of preventable deaths.

How much do you reckon it would cost to prevent the unpreventable ones?

Kermit.de.frog

https://twitter.com/trvrb/status/1233971005107785728

Quantum Erasure

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

UK will look like this within days

and ireland within a month, (probably reduced numbers, but same trajectory)

Quantum Erasure

Doctors room ghost wrote: »

There’s oxygen ports and tanks available on every bed and trolley in a and e and disposable nebs to administer medication with,so the 17 year old didn’t in fact die from an asthma attack.
Unless they had a drama queen like yourself looking after them that is.then they probably would die and would in fact be probably better off being dead.
The end.

sometimes i wonder why i keep coming back to Boards, and then I come across something like this, this is what keeps drawing me back, time after time....

ceadaoin.

darjeeling wrote: »

https://twitter.com/trvrb/status/1233970271318503426

The same rare mutation was shared by viral genomes isolated from a Wuhan returnee to Washington state on Jan 19 and yesterday's community transmission case from Seattle.

This means that covid19 has likely been circulating undetected in WA since that first case 6 weeks ago.

Tweet comes from a lead scientist behind the work & creator of nextstrain.org, where the phylogenetic tree of all covid19 sequences to date is viewable.

Reports of up to 50 symptomatic people in a nursing home there as the governor declares a state of emergency.
https://apnews.com/f175d89567a26d59cab27725c9e8a0d7

When I saw the locations of the new community acquired cases I immediately thought that they must stem from those first diagnoses weeks ago, they are all in the same areas. Said as much last night

ceadaoin. wrote: »

I noticed that the ones being diagnosed in the US now without any travel history are from the same areas/counties as some of the first cases linked to China weeks ago- Snohomish, santa clara, Sacramento, Oregon. Clearly they did infect people in the early days of their illness. The only good thing is they were quarantined immediately after diagnosis unlike the first cases in China. But what about the others who dont know they have it?

If it's gotten to the point where people are dying and severely ill, there must be hundreds if not thousands of undiagnosed infections. Hopefully that means that it is really is super mild for the vast majority and they just don't realise, otherwise it would have been noticed weeks ago that people were being hospitalized at a higher than usual rate

Graces7

ceadaoin. wrote: »

When I saw the locations of the new community acquired cases I immediately thought that they must stem from those first diagnoses weeks ago, they are all in the same areas. Said as much last night



If it's gotten to the point where people are dying and severely ill, there must be hundreds if not thousands of undiagnosed infections. Hopefully that means that it is really is super mild for the vast majority and they just don't realise, otherwise it would have been noticed weeks ago that people were being hospitalized at a higher than usual rate

or fobbed off like Runaways was. He was high risk.

https://twitter.com/AHITHFF/status/1233808457993613312

https://twitter.com/bhc3/status/1233811920190230528

https://twitter.com/thomtrance/status/1233602135247294466

darjeeling

ceadaoin. wrote: »

If it's gotten to the point where people are dying and severely ill, there must be hundreds if not thousands of undiagnosed infections. Hopefully that means that it is really is super mild for the vast majority and they just don't realise, otherwise it would have been noticed weeks ago that people were being hospitalized at a higher than usual rate

I still don't know what to make of it.

The WHO team in China said they didn't think that reported cases are just a small number of the overall number, but I don't know if that's really settled.

I'm hoping to see some results soon from serology testing in China to answer the question of just how many people really were infected without developing marked symptoms.

ceadaoin.

Graces7 wrote: »

or fobbed off like Runaways was. He was high risk.

They keep stats of hospitalizations for "influenza like illness". You can't fob off a person arriving at the hospital in severe condition, it definitely would show a spike in these cases if it was happening.

Monkeynut

ceadaoin. wrote: »

If it's gotten to the point where people are dying and severely ill, there must be hundreds if not thousands of undiagnosed infections. Hopefully that means that it is really is super mild for the vast majority and they just don't realise, otherwise it would have been noticed weeks ago that people were being hospitalized at a higher than usual rate

Would that would be better in your own opinion for our immune system? A lesser strain infected us. To shelter from a harsher strain

ceadaoin.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

https://twitter.com/AHITHFF/status/1233808457993613312

https://twitter.com/bhc3/status/1233811920190230528

https://twitter.com/thomtrance/status/1233602135247294466

I've been to costco several times over the past few weeks to stock up on things. Was last there on thursday and it was perfectly normal. The only thing I noticed was not as many disinfecting wipes on the shelves. Glad I got it done before all that chaos, I would not want to wait in those lines.

Kermit.de.frog

Samsung Electronics has closed one of its factories in South Korea, according to Yonhap news agency.

Follows Hyundai closing it's plant in the south of the country.

Serious supply chain problems.

If you’re over 60 years old or if you have an underlying condition like cardiovascular disease, a respiratory condition … you have a high risk of developing diseases. You may wish to take extra precautions to avoid crowded areas or places where you might interact with people who are sick.”

https://weather.com/health/news/2020-02-29-what-to-know-about-coronavirus-world-health-organization-covid19

Simple but effective advice

Del007

Just passing through Dublin airport and you have to look hard to find hand sanitisers. I thought they would be everywhere

Kermit.de.frog

Deleted User wrote: »

https://twitter.com/AHITHFF/status/1233808457993613312

https://twitter.com/bhc3/status/1233811920190230528

https://twitter.com/thomtrance/status/1233602135247294466

To be fair a major outbreak on the scale of Italy or bigger is likely and they know it.

What China has done ought to be enough to destroy it's economy and see it outcast in the international community.

It's amazing to me that they still enjoy friendly relations around the world.

That won't last after this. They lied, they tried to cover it up and they are involved now in a massive cover up on the numbers of infected and dead in their country in order to get their factories back up and running.

People instinctively know this. They also know how virulent the virus is and are not going to take chances.

It's no surprise to see panic buying. The fault is not with those people. It is with those responsible for this crisis.

Possible explanation to differences in severity from location to location, possibly good for us here (maybe until the next time it comes around or maybe that wont matter). Likely multiple factors such as Hubei being overwhelmed.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1286457920300344

Abstract
One of the most perplexing questions regarding the current COVID-19 coronavirus epidemic is the discrepancy between the severity of cases observed in the Hubei province of China and those occurring elsewhere in the world. One possible answer is antibody dependent enhancement (ADE) of SARS-CoV-2 due to prior exposure to other coronaviruses. ADE modulates the immune response and can elicit sustained inflammation, lymphopenia, and/or cytokine storm, one or all of which have been documented in severe cases and deaths. ADE also requires prior exposure to similar antigenic epitopes, presumably circulating in local viruses, making it a possible explanation for the observed geographic limitation of severe cases and deaths.

It also raises the question about reinfection and relapse. Only time will tell as we get more information on what this does to people long term (does the virus persist in the body like some other viruses do, how long does immunity last?, do you get an ADE effect if you actually do get it again etc?).

Kermit.de.frog

Japan reports second death

Reuters:

A man in his 70s died on Japan’s northernmost island of Hokkaido on Saturday night after testing positive for Covid-19, the disease caused by the coronavirus called SARS-CoV-2, local authorities said on Sunday.

Achernar

Interesting use of language in Thailand:

https://ddc.moph.go.th/viralpneumonia/eng/situation.php

‘Persons Under Investigation’ - not sure exactly what this means, but numbering >1000 cases.

tuxy

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

To be fair a major outbreak on the scale of Italy or bigger is likely and they know it.

What China has done ought to be enough to destroy it's economy and see it outcast in the international community.

It's amazing to me that they still enjoy friendly relations around the world.

That won't last after this. They lied, they tried to cover it up and they are involved now in a massive cover up on the numbers of infected and dead in their country in order to get their factories back up and running.

People instinctively know this. They also know how virulent the virus is and are not going to take chances.

It's no surprise to see panic buying. The fault is not with those people. It is with those responsible for this crisis.

I told you as soon as it was confirmed by the CIA that there was a bioweapons lab in the Wugan there would be serious trade sanctions imposed on China.

You can expect these sanctions to come into effect as soon as the US has secured alternative supply lines from other countries.

Quantum Erasure

so, what are the best things to stock? large bags of rice and pasta OK, how about a few 20 kg bags of spuds?
fill the freezer with cheap cuts of meat, stewing beef, what else?

should we be stocking up for a month right now, or for a four month lockdown in two months time?

tuxy

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

so, what are the best things to stock? large bags of rice and pasta OK, how about a few 20 kg bags of spuds?
fill the freezer with cheap cuts of meat, stewing beef, what else?

should we be stocking up for a month right now, or for a four month lockdown in two months time?

Panic buying will make the whole situation worse.

pc7

Graces7 wrote: »

Age used to be respected as a time of wisdom … Now being old is seen as? A burden? Invalid?

Graces that’s not what I meant and you’ve been on the threads long enough to see me call that out. At 83 he’s high risk, as are my grand parents and parents. This illness seems especially difficult for older people so far.

Lucy8080

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

so, what are the best things to stock? large bags of rice and pasta OK, how about a few 20 kg bags of spuds?
fill the freezer with cheap cuts of meat, stewing beef, what else?

should we be stocking up for a month right now, or for a four month lockdown in two months time?

Feck that. For the first time in decades i'll be beach body ready for the summer hols.Enforced diet due to circumstances (panic buyers emptying shelves).. Always look for the silver lining.

pc7

Look at the numbers ‘waiting’ for a hospital bed (doesn’t say if critical etc), but all along since day 1 that’s been my worry.

https://twitter.com/bbclbicker/status/1233954573061984257?s=21

tuxy

Lucy8080 wrote: »

Feck that. For the first time in decades i'll be beach body ready for the summer hols.Enforced diet due to circumstances. Always look for the silver lining.

I joked before about intermittent fasting. But this could be my chance to really give it a go and see if it's a good as some claim. No way of cheating if the shops are empty.

Unfortunately there won't be a breakdown of the food supply chain and any shortages will be from panic buying.
Oh well, maybe there will be some actual disaster at some point in time and I will get my chance.

Kermit.de.frog

In the Guardian regarding Indonesia...

An interesting report from Reuters, about Indonesia, which continues to say it has seen no cases, despite some infections around the world linked to travel to or through Bali:

Indonesia has the resources to cope with a coronavirus outbreak, the director of its leading infectious diseases hospital said, defending detection procedures in the Southeast Asian nation of more than 260 million, where no cases have been reported.

The world’s fourth most populous nation has tested 141 suspected cases, a small figure for its population, sparking concern among some medical professionals of a lack of vigilance and a risk of undetected cases.

Neighbouring Malaysia has reportedly run about 1,000 tests, and Britain more than 10,000.

“We can’t doubt our skills and the facts we gather,” said Muhammad Syahril, director of the Sulianti Saroso hospital in Jakarta, the capital, when asked why Indonesia had detected no cases.

“If we don’t have cases, we don’t have cases,” he said in an interview at the hospital on Friday. “Why would we cover it up?”

tuxy

pc7 wrote: »

Look at the numbers ‘waiting’ for a hospital bed (doesn’t say if critical etc), but all along since day 1 that’s been my worry.

https://twitter.com/bbclbicker/status/1233954573061984257?s=21

I don't think there is really much advantage to being in a hospital bed.
Unless you need oxygen, I really hope that many people are not waiting on oxygen

igCorcaigh

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

so, what are the best things to stock? large bags of rice and pasta OK, how about a few 20 kg bags of spuds?
fill the freezer with cheap cuts of meat, stewing beef, what else?

should we be stocking up for a month right now, or for a four month lockdown in two months time?

Are you really going to stay in your home for four months? If so, I'd consider how you can cope psychologically, in addition to the food supplies.

Lucy8080

bodhrandude wrote: »

Staff member at an infant school in Reading tests positive for Coronavirus. (The Telegraph)

The amount of grandparents who take kids after school these days,because both parents are working, is something to think about. Children in general seem to be quite safe, from the worst effects, statistically. Passing it onto older folks would be the worry.

For some the idea of stocking up on food and groceries to prepare for a coronavirus outbreak in Australia is Risk Management 101, for others it’s alarmism akin to preparing for the Zombie Apocalypse.

Either way, a large number of households are already doing it. Supermarkets were busier than usual late last week, while Woolworths revealed there had been a rush on non-perishable food and grocery items.

"We’ve seen a sharp increase in demand for long life pantry items and household staples in recent days, which has led to partial stock shortages across some of our stores," a Woolworths spokesman said.

https://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/health-and-wellness/i-do-feel-a-bit-crazy-australians-stockpiling-food-to-prepare-for-coronavirus-20200229-p545kh.html

Quantum Erasure

Lucy8080 wrote: »

Feck that. For the first time in decades i'll be beach body ready for the summer hols.Enforced diet due to circumstances (panic buyers emptying shelves).. Always look for the silver lining.

thats what Im hoping aswell, but i think my parents have gone overboard, peaked too soon...
we had a half turkey in the freezer from last christmas, its thawing on the drainingboard right now,... usually we'd keep it till easter at least.

igCorcaigh

Lucy8080 wrote: »

The amount of grandparents who take kids after school these days,because both parents are working, is something to think about. Children in general seem to be quite safe, from the worst effects, statistically. Passing it onto older folks would be the worry.

Absolutely. I feel that this thing will put our "modern" living to a test, in lots of ways.

pc7

tuxy wrote: »

I don't think there is really much advantage to being in a hospital bed.
Unless you need oxygen, I really hope that many people are not waiting on oxygen

It’s also if you have just a general need to go and can’t get in. Really hope we can get on top of this thing.

YFlyer

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

so, what are the best things to stock? large bags of rice and pasta OK, how about a few 20 kg bags of spuds?
fill the freezer with cheap cuts of meat, stewing beef, what else?

should we be stocking up for a month right now, or for a four month lockdown in two months time?

Spuds wouldn't last long.

Kermit.de.frog

This is China folks next time you quote their bs figures

From the Guardian

An alarming story from our Beijing correspondent, Lily Kuo, on citizen journalist Li Zehua who is missing, presumed detained.

He’s one of many for whom the coronavirus crisis has led to a political awakening and a demand for free speech.

“I don’t want to remain silent, or shut my eyes and ears. It’s not that I can’t have a nice life, with a wife and kids. I can. I’m doing this because I hope more young people can, like me, stand up,” he says. The live stream, posted on Weibo, where it was later deleted, and on YouTube, shows two men in plain clothes entering the apartment and then cuts out.

Quantum Erasure

igCorcaigh wrote: »

Are you really going to stay in your home for four months? If so, I'd consider how you can cope psychologically,

that's a struggle at any time of the year... we have plenty of board games to keep us going at least,
TBH theres no way anyone is going into total isolation for any length of time, there'll always be visitors,

Quantum Erasure

YFlyer wrote: »

Spuds wouldn't last long.

weight for weight versus rice you're probably right, but still, a few large bags wouldn't go amiss

Kermit.de.frog

It's just the flu...

https://twitter.com/aliostad/status/1233668766124400640

darjeeling

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4g7Qpvhh5m4

This is a good overview from Neil Ferguson of the current state of the epidemics in various countries and the measures that can be taken to slow spread when case numbers remain small or grow larger.

YFlyer

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

weight for weight versus rice you're probably right, but still, a few large bags wouldn't go amiss

I meant staying fresh.