Coronavirus Part III - 9 cases across the Island - 503 errors abound!! *read OP*

MarkY91

Just had a look in adverts.

People selling masks for €10 etc. Absolutely disgraceful that people are profiting from mass hysteria.

pc7

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

fair enough cancelling paddy's day parades, dublin especially, maybe even uni / colleges. where student can stay in accommodation, ... but schools, where one parent will have to look after the kid...???/

Listen I get you, I have two smallies myself. But it’s the bigger picture and mind shift time, we need to slow the spread (no stopping it), it will be difficult, hard and you’ll have those that will just ignore it. But if it gets hold and overwhelms the health system we’ll have a lot more things to worry about. Again I’ve said before I truly hope I’m wrong.

s_carnage

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

Flights should be stopped from Italy now. Yes they can come in other ways but it reduces the risk

How? If someone wants to come to Ireland and all flights are stopped they'll only get a train to a border country and fly here. That or even fly from Italy to Belfast and get a train or bus down. Its not as simple as just stopping flights from one country.

Living Off The Splash

Gentleman Off The Pitch wrote: »

Ireland will not lead, only follow, when it comes to taking drastic measures, by then it will be too late

Sure the HSE have raised their own alert level to

Very High Risk with Knobs on.

Graces7

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

I would always have a 5kg bag of rice and some large bottles of water. Bags of extra chickpeas and lentils. Not much but if i can't get to the shops for a couple of weeks i won't starve.

Would recommend rice and oats. Some tinned tuna. If you don't need them you can eat anyway.

And don't forget eg chocolate, and whatever treats you enjoy. They will mean a lot. Biscuits etc. Crackers. Cheese keeps well. Dried milk; tea, coffee. Salt. Pasta. wish I could get the instant noodles here. . Eggs will keep a couple of weeks. Long life milk ; Lidl have it... some fruit...

silverharp

put your Blue Peter skills to good use

https://twitter.com/d_bangis/status/1233737319884218368

regedit

Gentleman Off The Pitch wrote: »

Ireland will not lead, only follow, when it comes to taking drastic measures, by then it will be too late

Agreed. It should be a concerted effort of the EU

jam_mac_jam

s_carnage wrote: »

How? If someone wants to come to Ireland and all flights are stopped they'll only get a train to a border country and fly here. That or even fly from Italy to Belfast and get a train or bus down. Its not as simple as just stopping flights from one country.

Because it will reduce the risk. Not eliminate it.

igCorcaigh

DrumSteve wrote: »

Pinch of salt...

There are currently more closed cases than active cases...

Yes, closed case cfr at a stubborn 7pc, i expect it to fall. Recent uptick in deaths unfortunately, but numbers yeah, pinch of salt.

Graces7

Lucy8080 wrote: »

Fair play. I looked at the video from San Francisco earlier on thread,and I would hate to think of an old infirm pensioner ,on a limited budget ,trying to get through that madness. That's all I mean by "panic buying". Prudence tends not to panic.

Love that! As soon as I heard all the news my mind was in active mode. thinking ahead to what I needed to do and order. lol... A young American visitor asked me way back . seeing my then remote house. what I would do if I ran out of coffee. Do without, was my reply. Same now.

igCorcaigh

MarkY91 wrote: »

Just had a look in adverts.

People selling masks for €10 etc. Absolutely disgraceful that people are profiting from mass hysteria.

At least in some countries such profiteering is illegal.

Bob24

Gentleman Off The Pitch wrote: »

Ireland will not lead, only follow, when it comes to taking drastic measures, by then it will be too late

Agree, but you can say the same about most European counties I think.

There is too much political correctness holding back political decisions, so you will see politicians saying one week that a given measure is not useful (which is more a way for them to justify that they don’t dare pushing for it), and the following week when reality hits hard they’ll say the complete opposite.

Watch the French officials who said early this week travel restrictions were useless and there was no need to cancel large public events ... which lead to packing thousands of people from the most affected areas in Italy in planes/trains/buses so that they are in the best scenario to contaminate each other, on their way to Lyon to attend a soccer match and go to the restaurants/pubs and make sure they are in contact with the local population.

I think the same officials will be changing their tune next week (it has already changed on public events), and it is not hard to predict a new cluster in Lyon which was avoidable.

Fr_Dougal

The infectious disease specialist: «A tsunami for the health system. The serious clinical pictures do not suggest that the infection is recent. The virus was already circulating before January »

https://www.corriere.it/cronache/20_marzo_01/galli-il-coronavirus-italia-settimane-tsunami-il-sistema-sanitario-a153160c-5b3d-11ea-8b1a-b76251361796.shtml

If that’s true it’s pointless closing borders.

DrumSteve

igCorcaigh wrote: »

Yes, closed case cfr at a stubborn 7pc, i expect it to fall. Recent uptick in deaths unfortunately, but numbers yeah, pinch of salt.

If you dig into it it's actually dropped the last couple of days, it's actually about 6.57 at the moment.

regedit

Interesting thing is that the logarithmic growth of the COVID-19 had slowed down (while there was a linear increase) but as of the last 2 days, even this graph is no longer levelling out! See graphs
People can walk around, have social interactions for weeks before they become symptomatic and during tht time shed the viral
load all over the place (such as the 38-year guy in Lombardy who seem to have created a havoc)

https://nucleuswealth.com/articles/updated-coronavirus-statistics-cases-deaths-mortality-rate/



overwhelmed Hubei:


If Chinese figures are true and their lockdown was quick enough:



more graphs here https://nucleuswealth.com/articles/updated-coronavirus-statistics-cases-deaths-mortality-rate/

Tootsie_1

GooglePlus wrote: »

The pope cancelling meetings because of an illness after greeting crowds of people in a region where the virus is spreading rapidly.

I don't understand how it isn't acceptable to discuss that this may very well be coronavirus, is he immune to it due to his holy title?

He's an old man and just as prone as everyone else who has contracted the virus in the region.

I seen this yesterday

'During the audience, Francis made a point to shake hands with the faithful in the front row, kissed a baby during his popemobile spin through St. Peter’s Square and greeted visiting bishops at the end. The prelates, however, appeared to be refraining from kissing his ring or embracing him, as they normally would do.'

https://time.com/5791543/pope-francis-cancels-slight-illness/

jam_mac_jam

Tootsie_1 wrote: »

I seen this yesterday

'During the audience, Francis made a point to shake hands with the faithful in the front row, kissed a baby during his popemobile spin through St. Peter’s Square and greeted visiting bishops at the end. The prelates, however, appeared to be refraining from kissing his ring or embracing him, as they normally would do.'

https://time.com/5791543/pope-francis-cancels-slight-illness/

Nobody should be shaking hands or kissing babies if they are sick in Italy. Even the pope.

SortingYouOut

Wife working at the crisis centre has just informed me that there is big potential for government building and school closures next week, they are going to make a call today.

They are currently monitoring a number of potential cases, fearing that the rate of spread in Dublin is fairly substantial.

Hope everything will be ok.

Tootsie_1

SortingYouOut wrote: »

Wife working at the crisis centre has just informed me that there is big potential for government building and school closures next week, they are going to make a call today.

They are currently monitoring a number of potential cases, fearing that the rate of spread in Dublin is fairly substantial.

Hope everything will be ok.

It would be the response that is needed I think to try keep this under control I haven't faith that they will do it though.

Gynoid

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

https://www.corriere.it/cronache/20_marzo_01/galli-il-coronavirus-italia-settimane-tsunami-il-sistema-sanitario-a153160c-5b3d-11ea-8b1a-b76251361796.shtml

If that’s true it’s pointless closing borders.

Concerning article.

I know influenza has a yearly death rate etc but does it have a comparable level of assisted breathing requirements in treatment? Is that particular to corona?

regedit

shedding from Italy!
some 30 countries have reported their first cases all originating from Italy

grindle

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

https://www.corriere.it/cronache/20_marzo_01/galli-il-coronavirus-italia-settimane-tsunami-il-sistema-sanitario-a153160c-5b3d-11ea-8b1a-b76251361796.shtml

If that’s true it’s pointless closing borders.

This is the thing. It's taking a week or two for the virus to be recognised as more than a cold or common flu. We can bank on the weak and old to be hardest hit, but if (big IF) a decent amount of the population carry it (lets say 5-10%, they don't even have to get sick from it, just carry it) - what happens next flu season when it modifies? It'll become worse or better at what it does.

Bob24

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

https://www.corriere.it/cronache/20_marzo_01/galli-il-coronavirus-italia-settimane-tsunami-il-sistema-sanitario-a153160c-5b3d-11ea-8b1a-b76251361796.shtml

If that’s true it’s pointless closing borders.

Closing is a strong word, but significant travel restrictions (particularly from the most affected areas/countries but not only) certainly slows down propagation in a country (it is clear from new cases this week that Italy is now acting as a contamination hub in Europe).

And it is not just the fact that people are have been to a known cluster - when you are travelling you also tend to be confined with others in small spaces for hours (planes/trains) and to come across a lot more different people the in daily life (in airports, stations, restaurants, tourist sights, etc), increasing chances of contamination.

Tootsie_1

Gynoid wrote: »

Concerning article.

I know influenza has a yearly death rate etc but does it have a comparable level of assisted breathing requirements in treatment? Is that particular to corona?

'Too Many to assist' - Thats it in a nutshell

Hurrache

Tootsie_1 wrote: »

It would be the response that is needed I think to try keep this under control I haven't faith that they will do it though.

There's no confirmed cases, yet, in Dublin, so I doubt they're planning to make that decision today. Maybe planning for it, but not implementing it.

And by closing down the schools they'll be causing a massive headache for parents and companies as there's little alternative childcare this time of year.

Like I said, there'll be such plans, but nothing like that will be put into affect tomorrow.

laurah591

SortingYouOut wrote: »

Wife working at the crisis centre has just informed me that there is big potential for government building and school closures next week, they are going to make a call today.

They are currently monitoring a number of potential cases, fearing that the rate of spread in Dublin is fairly substantial.

Hope everything will be ok.

I really hope this is fake news

lawred2

SortingYouOut wrote: »

Wife working at the crisis centre has just informed me that there is big potential for government building and school closures next week, they are going to make a call today.

They are currently monitoring a number of potential cases, fearing that the rate of spread in Dublin is fairly substantial.

Hope everything will be ok.

If this is bull. I hope you get banned.

If true, doubt your wife would appreciate you sharing what is quite clearly sensitive information that could easily lead to people losing the run of themselves.

Quantum Erasure

regedit wrote: »

as of the last 2 days, even this graph is no longer levelling out! See graphs
People can walk around, have social interactions for weeks before they become symptomatic and during that time shed the viral
load all over the place

we need to flatten the curve (whatever that means)

circadian

SortingYouOut wrote: »

Wife working at the crisis centre has just informed me that there is big potential for government building and school closures next week, they are going to make a call today.

They are currently monitoring a number of potential cases, fearing that the rate of spread in Dublin is fairly substantial.

Hope everything will be ok.

I'm sure she's delighted in any potential breach of NDA or similar on a public forum.

babybuilder

s_carnage wrote: »

How? If someone wants to come to Ireland and all flights are stopped they'll only get a train to a border country and fly here. That or even fly from Italy to Belfast and get a train or bus down. Its not as simple as just stopping flights from one country.

Desperate Italians circumvent flight ban to Ireland. Take train to Cherbourg and catch ferry in order to spread deadly pathogen in the emerald Isle

Phoebas

SortingYouOut wrote: »

Wife working at the crisis centre has just informed me that there is big potential for government building and school closures next week, they are going to make a call today.

They are currently monitoring a number of potential cases, fearing that the rate of spread in Dublin is fairly substantial.

Hope everything will be ok.

Shouldn't your wife be refraining from spreading hearsay?

SortingYouOut

laurah591 wrote: »

I really hope this is fake news

I wish it was.

We'll know more later but let's hope they don't shut down, I don't think it'll help matters.

https://bmcpublichealth.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1471-2458-9-56

Healthcare workers' attitudes to working during pandemic influenza


Perceived barriers to the ability to work included being ill oneself, transport difficulties, and childcare responsibilities. Perceived barriers to the willingness to work included: prioritising the wellbeing of family members; a lack of trust in, and goodwill towards, the NHS; a lack of information about the risks and what is expected of them during the crisis; fear of litigation; and the feeling that employers do not take the needs of staff seriously. Barriers to ability and barriers to willingness, however, are difficult to separate out.

Conclusion
Although our participants tended to feel a general obligation to work during an influenza pandemic, there are barriers to working, which, if generalisable, may significantly reduce the NHS workforce during a pandemic. The barriers identified are both barriers to willingness and to ability. This suggests that pandemic planning needs to take into account the possibility that staff may be absent for reasons beyond those currently anticipated in UK planning documents. In particular, staff who are physically able to attend work may nonetheless be unwilling to do so. Although there are some barriers that cannot be mitigated by employers (such as illness, transport infrastructure etc.), there are a number of remedial steps that can be taken to lesson the impact of others (providing accommodation, building reciprocity, provision of information and guidance etc). We suggest that barriers to working lie along an ability/willingness continuum, and that absenteeism may be reduced by taking steps to prevent barriers to willingness becoming perceived barriers to ability.

morale and good leadership go hand in hand

lawred2

circadian wrote: »

I'm sure she's delighted in any potential breach of NDA or similar on a public forum.

The NDA breach would be the missus herself. But I'm sure she would have expected to be able to trust her husband.

SortingYouOut

SortingYouOut wrote: »

I wish it was.

We'll know more later but let's hope they don't shut down, I don't think it'll help matters.

Why? Wouldnt it be better if they shut down.Healthier even

pc7

laurah591 wrote: »

I really hope this is fake news

Maybe not this week but have you not seen what other countries are doing?

MarkY91

laurah591 wrote: »

I really hope this is fake news

You hope it's fake news that the government are considering drastic measures that will protect children?

SortingYouOut

circadian wrote: »

I'm sure she's delighted in any potential breach of NDA or similar on a public forum.

I'm just sharing, I've been following these threads and thought people might like to know.

I think we've a right to transparency as well.

Anyway, it might not even come to light but no harm in being aware.

Tootsie_1

Wonder how long it will take the supermarket shelfs to clear out ... It's going to happen people will panic and stock up look at the hand gel face mask situation already.

BanditLuke

Deleted User wrote: »

I actually an involved in management plans for the Corona virus so I would suspect I would know more than you. If I didn't, I would definitely not deserve my salary.

:pac: and here you are in the middle of a crisis posting on Boards at all hours of the morning.

SortingYouOut

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Why? Wouldnt it be better if they shut down.Healthier even

I'm just being selfish, I just can't handle anymore hair loss!

lawred2

Tootsie_1 wrote: »

Wonder how long it will take the supermarket shelfs to clear out ... It's going to happen people will panic and stock up look at the hand gel face mask situation already.

It's inevitable. Most of which will end up in the bin.

Phoebas

SortingYouOut wrote: »

I'm just sharing, I've been following these threads and thought people might like to know.

I think we've a right to transparency as well.

Anyway, it might not even come to light but no harm in being aware.

Post up her details so and we can start to verify these claims.

Reati

SortingYouOut wrote: »

Wife working at the crisis centre has just informed me that there is big potential for government building and school closures next week, they are going to make a call today.

They are currently monitoring a number of potential cases, fearing that the rate of spread in Dublin is fairly substantial.

Hope everything will be ok.

Given what is viewed on thread as massive inaction by the government over last week, it'd be quite the turnaround to shut up the whole shop over 1 confirmed case.

Hurrache

pc7 wrote: »

Maybe not this week but have you not seen what other countries are doing?

But that's not what the poster implied.

je551e

A case of COVID-19 has now been identified in the Rep of Ireland. The person is receiving treatment in hospital, with appropriate infection prevention measures. The risk to the general public is still low. This risk may change. People may continue to go to work, school, as usual.

HSE on Twitter

Away With The Fairies

Couldn't find hand sanitizer anywhere in the shops. Have an awful habit of buying travel sized hand sanitizers and never using it. Found a few bottles of them with 62% alcohol. Should this help me if I'm using public transport, after touching door handles in public places and anytime I can't wash my hands?

jam_mac_jam

They are not going to close down for one case. More heresay.

SortingYouOut

Reati wrote: »

Given what is viewed on thread as massive inaction by the government over last week, it'd be quite the turnaround to shut up the whole shop over 1 confirmed case.

I think it's the unconfirmed cases being monitored that has raised concerns.

It'll be an interesting week ahead anyway, regardless of what they do.