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China. A (not) great bunch of lads.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,787 ✭✭✭beejee


    Um... still waiting for an actual argument...

    It's rather amusing actually. It's like the US movies with the gangsta teenagers on the basketball court, with their hip-hop gestures/moves, throwing slang and fancy sentences at each other.. (Yes, I'm feeling my age).. but actually saying nothing of value..

    You haven't provided a counter argument. No facts. No links. Nothing. Just a rinse and repeat dismissal of other posters opinions. Care to actually contribute rather than continuing to rant?

    A counter argument to what?

    Try to put your thoughts, such as they are, into a coherent point.

    Into one sentence, clearly, pose your "argument".

    Then I'll obliterate it. Go.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,016 ✭✭✭skallywag


    beejee wrote: »
    You assume uncorrectly

    :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,787 ✭✭✭beejee


    skallywag wrote: »
    :pac:

    You tipped your toe into the trap, good non-committal answer with the smiley face :p


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    beejee wrote: »
    Then I'll obliterate it. Go.

    Nah. Wrote enough with extremely little return on value.. I'll wait for an actual post that's not a rant...


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,078 ✭✭✭IAMAMORON


    beejee wrote: »
    You tipped your toe into the trap, good non-committal answer with the smiley face :p

    So what specific community did spread the HIV virus?

    You really are dodging the answer on this one, especially considering your considerable knowledge about everything?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,787 ✭✭✭beejee


    Nah. Wrote enough with extremely little return on value.. I'll wait for an actual post that's not a rant...

    Oh man!

    China, whether it's culture, people, government or what have you, presents a serious health problem to the world, demonstrated by a decades long run of producing one disease after another, therefore "china" should by all reason be the target of international intervention.

    There, easy. One coherent, if lengthy, sentence.

    Do you disagree? Do you have a point, or, daresay, a counter-point?

    "Ive said enough" when asked to make a point is the opposite of making a point. A point. An apex. A summation. Do you have one?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,787 ✭✭✭beejee


    IAMAMORON wrote: »
    So what specific community did spread the HIV virus?

    You really are dodging the answer on this one, especially considering your considerable knowledge about everything?

    I don't need to dodge anything so weak as the argument you're dying to make. Your bait simply breaks across my iron chest of infallibility head-on like a fart attempting to topple a mountain.

    I know what you're going to say, I know how I'll destroy it, I know how you'll talk paragraphs of obscurity and it's already over before it begins. I'm not interested.


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    beejee wrote: »
    Oh man!

    China, whether it's culture, people, government or what have you, presents a serious health problem to the world, demonstrated by a decades long run of producing one disease after another, therefore "china" should by all reason be the target of international intervention.

    There, easy. One coherent, if lengthy, sentence.

    Do you disagree? Do you have a point, or, daresay, a counter-point?

    "Ive said enough" when asked to make a point is the opposite of making a point. A point. An apex. A summation. Do you have one?

    Ahh well, I wrote reams of points prior to this post, so you have some catching up to do. Especially since you're essentially just repeating the OPs post.

    What realistic result would you expect from targeting China with international intervention? (I'm assuming you mean economic/political sanctions rather than actual military action against a nuclear power, and one of the largest armies in the world)

    Do you genuinely believe that such intervention would provide anything of value for either China or the rest of the world? Some specifics would be nice, backed up with logic.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,078 ✭✭✭IAMAMORON


    beejee wrote: »
    I don't need to dodge anything so weak as the argument you're dying to make. Your bait simply breaks across my iron chest of infallibility head-on like a fart attempting to topple a mountain.

    I know what you're going to say, I know how I'll destroy it, I know how you'll talk paragraphs of obscurity and it's already over before it begins. I'm not interested.

    Ok, I doubt you actually know what you are talking about.

    Conversation over. But I think you are pretty full of it.

    Self praise is no praise.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,787 ✭✭✭beejee


    Ahh well, I wrote reams of points prior to this post, so you have some catching up to do. Especially since you're essentially just repeating the OPs post.

    What realistic result would you expect from targeting China with international intervention? (I'm assuming you mean economic/political sanctions rather than actual military action against a nuclear power, and one of the largest armies in the world)

    Do you genuinely believe that such intervention would provide anything of value for either China or the rest of the world? Some specifics would be nice, backed up with logic.

    "reams of points" "is, again, quite contrary to" making a point".

    Now you're attempting to dodge out of the corner I've placed you in, with great ease, I might add, and moving the goal posts to something different.

    I realise you mightnt understand that, so I'll elaborate.

    You failed to summarise your "argument" against my position as to WHY China should be a target. Now, having lost your way, you are trying to create a new argument about WHAT should be done.

    Weak.

    But to fully answer, I am not going to debate the specifics of a problem when the other person refuses to acknowledge the problem in the first place. It's a nonsensical position from which to go forward.

    Or... Maybe you'll be able to condense your "reams of points" into something intelligible.

    This is great craic :)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,787 ✭✭✭beejee


    IAMAMORON wrote: »
    Ok, I doubt you actually know what you are talking about.

    Conversation over. But I think you are pretty full of it.

    Self praise is no praise.

    I am full of it, hence the beat downs happening here. "it" is just not what you hope it to be.

    And self-praise is no praise? Correct. However, Mike tyson doesn't need to punch the head off a 10 year old to prove he can. It is self evident.

    Look at this other bloke above, he can't form a single point because there's too many, apparently :p it's a boxing lesson you can observe from outside the ring. Be happy :p


  • Registered Users Posts: 336 ✭✭Captcha


    Nobody is trying to paint China as a wonderful place. It's a feckin police state with a totalitarian attitude to politics and zero tolerance for internal disruption.

    You really think anyone here really needed to see that list? We all know that stuff. Oh.. we should be outraged?

    Err... nah. I don't buy it. I find, as I get older, that I'm becoming very skeptical at the supposed outrage that internet posters have about atrocities or breaches of human rights. It was different when the Internet was a new medium. Sure, people will discuss atrocities online... but where is their investment beyond that? Have you bought your tickets to act as a volunteer to help these minorities? And you could... you can go over, and perhaps share a tiny part of their problems for a while...

    Or simply stay at home and rant. :D

    I've stopped buying products / brands associated with human rights issues. I've stopped buying Chinese products as much as possible (this is harder than you might think)... While in China, I did visit a couple Muslim restaurants to support them and they are afraid, even though they are there now, they are walking on eggshells.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,078 ✭✭✭IAMAMORON


    beejee wrote: »
    I am full of it, hence the beat downs happening here. "it" is just not what you hope it to be.

    And self-praise is no praise? Correct. However, Mike tyson doesn't need to punch the head off a 10 year old to prove he can. It is self evident.

    Look at this other bloke above, he can't form a single point because there's too many, apparently :p it's a boxing lesson you can observe from outside the ring. Be happy :p

    You're rambling, never a good sign I find incoherence off putting. As I said this convo is now over, I am actually devastated it ever started. I feel mired, I mean that sincerely.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,787 ✭✭✭beejee


    IAMAMORON wrote: »
    You're rambling, never a good sign I find incoherence off putting. As I said this convo is now over, I am actually devastated it ever started. I feel mired, I mean that sincerely.

    No.

    I am concise and straight to the point. That's why I am able to summarise my position succinctly against the other bloke, while he talks in circles about his previous circles.

    If analogies confuse you, I wouldn't be surprised. But I'd obliterate your piss-poor position with even greater ease, make no mistake. One fatality today is enough to satisfy.

    You're just feeling sad because you didn't get to make your losing argument. Too bad. :p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,787 ✭✭✭beejee


    IAMAMORON wrote: »
    So what specific community did spread the HIV virus?

    You really are dodging the answer on this one, especially considering your considerable knowledge about everything?

    It's a lazy day, but I spent a bit of time refreshing my understanding of HIV, thanks to you.

    So, refreshed, I'll state what you were dying for me to state. The homosexual community was, by far, the most impactful vector of HIV across the world.

    So, to draw the comparison (that another posted initiated), if more had been done, or done differently, by targeting that specific group primarily, it wouldn't have spread to the level it has now reached.

    For China, I say the same. If a disease is manifesting itself in one specific area/group, do something about it while you can, before it spreads everywhere. Where the comparison fails, as I already stated, is that it isn't one specific disease with regard China, it is producing novel pathogens on the regular.

    Hardly controversial, but there's bound to be some contrarians.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,078 ✭✭✭IAMAMORON


    beejee wrote: »
    It's a lazy day, but I spent a bit of time refreshing my understanding of HIV, thanks to you.

    So, refreshed, I'll state what you were dying for me to state. The homosexual community was, by far, the most impactful vector of HIV across the world.

    So, to draw the comparison (that another posted initiated), if more had been done, or done differently, by targeting that specific group primarily, it wouldn't have spread to the level it has now reached.

    For China, I say the same. If a disease is manifesting itself in one specific area/group, do something about it while you can, before it spreads everywhere. Where the comparison fails, as I already stated, is that it isn't one specific disease with regard China, it is producing novel pathogens on the regular.

    Hardly controversial, but there's bound to be some contrarians.

    So you are saying Phil Lynott was gay ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,787 ✭✭✭beejee


    IAMAMORON wrote: »
    So you are saying Phil Lynott was gay ?

    Precisely. In fact, not only would I say Phil lynott was gay, he was also a bag of onions.

    I hope you're joking, and that you aren't making a serious point because that would be game over :)


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,078 ✭✭✭IAMAMORON


    beejee wrote: »
    Precisely. In fact, not only would I say Phil lynott was gay, he was also a bag of onions.

    I hope you're joking, and that you aren't making a serious point because that would be game over :)

    So what are you saying exactly, you don't make any sense really?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,787 ✭✭✭beejee


    IAMAMORON wrote: »
    So what are you saying exactly, you don't make any sense really?

    Wow, you ARE serious!

    "The homosexual community was, by far, the most impactful vector of HIV across the world"

    There. Right there, that's what I said, one single post above your reply.

    Too complicated? Getting confused already?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 586 ✭✭✭Redneck Reject71


    In the defense of eating opossum, my uncle hand raises them for eating. And they do make a nice stew. As for the wild Variety, no because a lot of times they are rabid,heh.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,078 ✭✭✭IAMAMORON


    beejee wrote: »
    Wow, you ARE serious!

    "The homosexual community was, by far, the most impactful vector of HIV across the world"

    There. Right there, that's what I said, one single post above your reply.

    Too complicated? Getting confused already?

    Where did you read that?

    Have you a link to substantiate this?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,787 ✭✭✭beejee


    IAMAMORON wrote: »
    Where did you read that?

    Have you a link to substantiate this?

    Man you better be joking, because you're making me feel pity for you here.

    "do you have a link?"

    ??


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,078 ✭✭✭IAMAMORON


    beejee wrote: »
    Man you better be joking, because you're making me feel pity for you here.

    "do you have a link?"

    ??

    So what are you basing your crap on?

    I mean what are you talking about for starters?

    Are you actually saying that the homosexuals are responsible for the spread of the Covid virus?

    Are you being serious ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,787 ✭✭✭beejee


    IAMAMORON wrote: »
    So what are you basing your crap on?

    I mean what are you talking about for starters?

    Are you actually saying that the homosexuals are responsible for the spread of the Covid virus?

    Are you being serious ?

    This is disgraceful. There are certain argumentative elements to sexual diseases, but this is an embarrassing display right here.

    Yes. The homosexual community was the greatest vector of HIV worldwide.

    Even today, the gay community, as reported by all the usual suspects like CDC, UNAIDS, WHO, world bank etc, have transmission rates of HIV orders of magnitude above heterosexual transmission.

    And that's today. Look up the history of HIV, and I dare you to come back and tell me my position is incorrect.

    Or... You can keep getting confused, whatever you like.

    Or, or... Finish this sentence for me "I, IAMAMORON, don't believe your position because..."

    Look at that sentence :p


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,078 ✭✭✭IAMAMORON


    beejee wrote: »
    This is disgraceful. There are certain argumentative elements to sexual diseases, but this is an embarrassing display right here.

    Yes. The homosexual community was the greatest vector of HIV worldwide.

    Even today, the gay community, as reported by all the usual suspects like CDC, UNAIDS, WHO, world bank etc, have transmission rates of HIV orders of magnitude above heterosexual transmission.

    And that's today. Look up the history of HIV, and I dare you to come back and tell me my position is incorrect.

    Or... You can keep getting confused, whatever you like.

    Or, or... Finish this sentence for me "I, IAMAMORON, don't believe your position because..."

    Look at that sentence :p

    Thanks for clarifying.

    Do you hate homosexuals as much as you hate Chinese people?

    Or do you just hate people in general?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 409 ✭✭Titclamp


    IAMAMORON wrote: »
    Which community was that? Exactly?

    Are you dumb?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,787 ✭✭✭beejee


    IAMAMORON wrote: »
    Thanks for clarifying.

    Do you hate homosexuals as much as you hate Chinese people?

    Or do you just hate people in general?

    You're a joke. I genuinely hope you don't spread that ignorance to anyone.

    Put up an argument, if you can.

    I'll help you out cos I'm a great person, "I don't believe the homosexual community was the most impactful vector of HIV across the world BECAUSE...."

    Finish that sentence, go for it. At least the other guy struggled to do something, you've collapsed after putting on the boxing gloves :p

    Let's hear it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 586 ✭✭✭Redneck Reject71


    I. Myself don't understand how the Covid 19 virus has ended up discussing the Aids virus of the 1970 s to now. The scaremongering is beyond ridiculous at this stage.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,787 ✭✭✭beejee


    I. Myself don't understand how the Covid 19 virus has ended up discussing the Aids virus of the 1970 s to now. The scaremongering is beyond ridiculous at this stage.

    It came up because I complained about China, then some other poster stated "what about AIDS? herp a derp"

    As if it was some kind of a retort :p

    I rightly demolished it, yet here we are. To be clear, AIDS has nothing to with covid19 except in some ethereal manner


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    beejee wrote: »
    "reams of points" "is, again, quite contrary to" making a point".

    Multiple points, many of which addressed a number of your previous wild claims.
    Now you're attempting to dodge out of the corner I've placed you in, with great ease, I might add, and moving the goal posts to something different.

    I'm not dodging at all. You set the scenario and I asked the value of that scenario. Simple logic. What are the benefits of your scenario?
    You failed to summarise your "argument" against my position as to WHY China should be a target. Now, having lost your way, you are trying to create a new argument about WHAT should be done.

    Weak.

    You're arguing like a child. I've never argued against the reasons why people think China should be criticized. I have pointed out the rather strong bias since they've shown no similar concern for disease or problems coming from other nations... I've also pointed out the silliness in claiming that China should simply be better, because, well... no reasons. they just should be! :rolleyes:

    And I've asked a number of times now, about the actual practical/realistic value of these demands for action.
    But to fully answer, I am not going to debate the specifics of a problem when the other person refuses to acknowledge the problem in the first place. It's a nonsensical position from which to go forward.

    Or... Maybe you'll be able to condense your "reams of points" into something intelligible.

    This is great craic :)

    Your idea of answering is rather.... limited. It might be great craic, but it's boring. You're unwilling to engage in a proper discussion about the subject, except as a giggling child. I've given you numerous chances to debate/discuss your points... and nothing beyond words scrambled together.

    Enough.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,787 ✭✭✭beejee


    Multiple points, many of which addressed a number of your previous wild claims.



    I'm not dodging at all. You set the scenario and I asked the value of that scenario. Simple logic. What are the benefits of your scenario?



    You're arguing like a child. I've never argued against the reasons why people think China should be criticized. I have pointed out the rather strong bias since they've shown no similar concern for disease or problems coming from other nations... I've also pointed out the silliness in claiming that China should simply be better, because, well... no reasons. they just should be! :rolleyes:

    And I've asked a number of times now, about the actual practical/realistic value of these demands for action.



    Your idea of answering is rather.... limited. It might be great craic, but it's boring. You're unwilling to engage in a proper discussion about the subject, except as a giggling child. I've given you numerous chances to debate/discuss your points... and nothing beyond words scrambled together.

    Enough.

    You again :)

    Talking shoite about your "multiple points but can't make a point" again.

    Here's another shot for you, state your argument against mine.

    You asked me what my point was, I stated it in one single, clear sentence.

    I asked you to do the same. You couldn't.

    Give it another go. You know my argument. Make yours.


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    Captcha wrote: »
    I've stopped buying products / brands associated with human rights issues. I've stopped buying Chinese products as much as possible (this is harder than you might think)... While in China, I did visit a couple Muslim restaurants to support them and they are afraid, even though they are there now, they are walking on eggshells.

    Where were you in China? You speak Mandarin then? It's interesting that they would relax enough to tell a stranger how afraid they were.

    I have Muslim friends in Xi'an. A rather sizable Muslim community exists there and has for centuries. They're rather famous actually, and while they do face some discrimination, it's not worse than before. Unless you were visiting Muslim restaurants in Xinjiang? Which would be interesting since I have students from Xinjiang studying in Xi'an, and few of them are walking on eggshells... but then they're not stupid enough to antagonize the Chinese authorities.
    I. Myself don't understand how the Covid 19 virus has ended up discussing the Aids virus of the 1970 s to now. The scaremongering is beyond ridiculous at this stage.

    Well.. you could read the thread. :D

    But I'll make it easy for you. One of the likely origins of AIDS was bushmeat in Africa. So the link is due to the category of meat butchered/eaten.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,078 ✭✭✭IAMAMORON


    beejee wrote: »
    You're a joke. I genuinely hope you don't spread that ignorance to anyone.

    Put up an argument, if you can.

    I'll help you out cos I'm a great person, "I don't believe the homosexual community was the most impactful vector of HIV across the world BECAUSE...."

    Finish that sentence, go for it. At least the other guy struggled to do something, you've collapsed after putting on the boxing gloves :p

    Let's hear it.

    You sound like someone I was talking with last night.

    You couldn't be are you?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,787 ✭✭✭beejee


    IAMAMORON wrote: »
    You sound like someone I was talking with last night.

    You couldn't be are you?

    Not only is it improbable, it is impossible. I don't associate with people who's idea of an argument boils down to "so Phil lynott was gay?"

    :p


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    beejee wrote: »
    You again :)

    I thought about posting up a decent answer.. but what's the point? :rolleyes:


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,078 ✭✭✭IAMAMORON


    beejee wrote: »
    Not only is it improbable, it is impossible. I don't associate with people who's idea of an argument boils down to "so Phil lynott was gay?"

    :p

    How many names do you have?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,787 ✭✭✭beejee


    I thought about posting up a decent answer.. but what's the point? :rolleyes:

    So you admit your answer was not decent.

    I'll add to that. It was insufficient, imprecise, and had the same resemblance of an "answer" as a pebble-dashed toilet to a tap dancing rhinoceros. Not much, in other words :p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,787 ✭✭✭beejee


    IAMAMORON wrote: »
    How many names do you have?

    On my planet, all beings are assigned an individual,
    unpronounceable number.

    But I have come to earth to educate you, out of the warmth of my double hearts


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,178 ✭✭✭killbillvol2


    You're arguing like a child.



    Your idea of answering is rather.... limited. It might be great craic, but it's boring. You're unwilling to engage in a proper discussion about the subject, except as a giggling child. I've given you numerous chances to debate/discuss your points... and nothing beyond words scrambled together.

    Enough.

    I think the first sentence above gets to the heart of the matter.

    You're trying to argue with a child (and I think the poster is actually a child, not behaving childishly) using logic. A waste of time unfortunately.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,787 ✭✭✭beejee


    I think the first sentence above gets to the heart of the matter.

    You're trying to argue with a child (and I think the poster is actually a child, not behaving childishly) using logic. A waste of time unfortunately.

    What is this, a village idiots convention?

    Maybe you can use your adult powers to make an argument.

    Or are you going to dissipate like an odourless fart as well?

    Make an argument, if you think you can :)


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,078 ✭✭✭IAMAMORON


    beejee wrote: »
    On my planet, all beings are assigned an individual,
    unpronounceable number.

    But I have come to earth to educate you, out of the warmth of my double hearts

    Enjoy your lucidity , it rarely lasts.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,787 ✭✭✭beejee


    IAMAMORON wrote: »
    Enjoy your lucidity , it rarely lasts.

    Not only has my lucidity increased by every second of life, it has sharpened into an intellectual rapier of such precision that I can peel atoms off your shrinking brain at will. :p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,806 ✭✭✭An Ciarraioch


    A new report has found that China is forcing sterilisations and abortions on the population of Xinjiang in order to lower the Uighur birth rate, and increase Han dominance over the region:

    https://apnews.com/269b3de1af34e17c1941a514f78d764c


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    A new report has found that China is forcing sterilisations and abortions on the population of Xinjiang in order to lower the Uighur birth rate, and increase Han dominance over the region:
    https://apnews.com/269b3de1af34e17c1941a514f78d764c

    Ethnic cleansing, but sure you don't hear anything much about #ULM in the West. Non stop face scanning and flashing of QRCodes to get past every door.

    A similar but more subtle program has been rolled out in Irn:
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/02/01/iran-uses-national-card-fresh-discrimination-against-bahai/
    Iranian authorities have removed the Baha'i faith from the list of recognised religions on the new national ID card, which lists only Islam, Christianity, Judaism and Zoroastrianism as options.
    A core tenet of the Baha'i faith is upholding the truth, which would prevent followers from lying on the form about their religion.

    These ID cards have to be produced very often, daily: even for casual shopping, and naturally as part of any more formal job interview process. Safe to say ticking anything except for Isl, and you likely won't be getting that job, house, car, loan, sale, lease, grant, business nor opportunity.


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