What went wrong with places like Ballymun, Jobstown, Darndale etc.

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JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Nobody cares, you absolute fruit and nut bar.

This, exactly this. Every interesting fúcking thread hijacked by this Vibes one with her stream of shíte.

olestoepoke

Adelaide Unkempt Blood wrote: »

This, exactly this. Every interesting fúcking thread hijacked by this Vibes one with her stream of shíte.

Yep, reads a post and flies off the handle inventing statements.

NIMAN

NIMAN wrote: »

Drugs
Personal responsibility
Lack of ambition to better yourself
Unemployment
etc etc

OK, I'm from a council estate on Cork's northside. Let's take a look at my peers.

1. Trades and Army
2. Plumber
3. One labourer and one alcoholic
4. Teacher and Flight Attendant
5. IT professional and Office Manager
6. Ibiza DJ, trade, retail, housewife
7. Don't know but zero trouble
8. Trade
9. Retail
10. Unsure but degree
11. 3 x Trades (sparks)
12. 1 waster and 1 trade
13. Tiler
14. Media degree
15. Science degree
16. Owns industrial electricians business, plumber, 2xhousewives
17. DRUGS (entire building of scum)
18. Teacher and retail
19. Successful Electrician contractor business

Skipped houses with no kids or much younger/older, as I don't know their situation.
All of us have left the area but parents remain.

Almost all of us experienced parental unemployment.

Yet we all seemed to have plenty of ambition to "improve", driven by parents.
All old enough that we were able to go to 3rd level when it was actually free.


Only one family deals in drugs but entire estate tarnished by amount of attention they bring.


The real issue is the complete inability of councils to evict the scum. Evict to homelessness? I don't give a ****, they should not be allowed destroy an area.

Also courts allowing the junior scumbags to wander free with 100 previous convictions.

And yes, everyone of their kids should have been taken off them

Raconteuse

Adelaide Unkempt Blood wrote: »

This, exactly this. Every interesting fúcking thread hijacked by this Vibes one with her stream of shíte.

And that member's posts can be quite nasty too - and extremely dishonest - despite "No drama please, just fun!" :rolleyes:

Dyr

CrankyHaus wrote: »

Id actually argue that a lot went right with Ireland's 20th century social housing developments.

For every Ballymun there was a Raheny, for every Jobstown an Artane. Visit the Council built estate in Donnybrook or Howth and try to tell me it's worse than many of the newer "private" apartment developments with majority Council and Housing Trust tenancies that are quickly turning into slums.

In any case all of these Council developments, even the worst were a significant improvement on the crowded, damp, disease ridden tenements of the inner city that they replaced.

All those estates were built before the 60s when the powers that be decided they would build the towns of the future. Social engineering is a hell of a drug.

Deebles McBeebles

BanditLuke wrote: »

What free houses?

Ah Luke. New lines needed. Maybe on your next rereg. This has been explained to you already.

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Are these kids just genetically dumb ? Working class families just statistically have more genetically dumb kids you say? Or are genetically lazy??

That's it they are just genetically dumb and genetically lazy according to you.
lol

I believe the technical term is laziness leading to mongification.

BanditLuke

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

Ah Luke. New lines needed. Maybe on your next rereg. This has been explained to you already.



I believe the technical term is laziness leading to mongification.

So no answer to my question. Fair enough but thought this was a deabte forum.

I'm also not a rereg as you say if you have any proof of that take it to the moderators thanks.

Deebles McBeebles

BanditLuke wrote: »

So no answer to my question. Fair enough but thought this was a deabte forum.

Yet to see you debate. Your question was answered in another thread and you know it.

BanditLuke wrote: »

I'm also not a rereg as you say if you have any proof of that take it to the moderators thanks.

Why would I do that? Its not an offence to rereg. Best of luck.

Jinglejangle69

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Started off been spoiled by getting a free house.

Then it rolls from there.

Lot of decent people lived in them but some people are just scumbags basically and want things for free and blame everyone else when they don't get them.

It actually seems a uniquely Irish thing.

Most people in the world realise the concept of if you want something earn it.

In Ireland there seems to be a growing attitude and cohert that the government must provide you and no questions asked.

Its Baffling.

What a load of bollocks, seriously.


My parents paid more, per month, than the equivalent mortgage but they did not qualify for one.

Raconteuse

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

True.

Small suggestion: instead of spamming "true" or "I agree", just thank the post.

KungPao

In the likes of Jober, mass evictions are needed. No leaving, not working, and Criminal convictions? Useless waste of space? Out on the street you go, you don’t deserve your practically free accommodation.

Then have the houses upgraded to modern standards and sold privately.

But Paul Murphy would be out with his megaphone talking ****e again.

KungPao

KungPao wrote: »

Then have the houses upgraded to modern standards and sold privately.

Right, because the private market is really fulfilling the needs of this county :rolleyes:
Evict the trouble makers and maybe, you know do the social housing thing, and move low income families in?


Stop paying fvcking HAP to landlords, which just creates a false bottom in rents, and move the social requirement tenants into the now vacated houses and charge them a correct rent, based on income levels

Mad_maxx

Grab All Association wrote: »

To rephrase a quote by LBJ If you can convince the lowest middle class man he's better than the best working class man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you.

If child benefit was capped to a maximum of two children within a 4 year period and paid in vouchers redeemable for clothing and education and council housing priority reverted back to those longest on the list there’d be less of these types of scumbags in 20 years. Jobseeker’s Allowance isn’t the problem, it’s lone parent. Make it illegal for a child to leave school without attaining the leaving cert applied. Sanctions of adult benefits if a child misses school without good reason or is a disruption/suspended in school.

Psychiatric drug treatment for repeat offenders. Lobotomies etc

Zero chance of any sort of policy change which deters lone parenting

Single mothers are a sacred cow of the left, no politician would risk going near this area, the nuclear family has long been downgraded and the state is now seen as being just as good a daddy

BanditLuke

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

Yet to see you debate. Your question was answered in another thread and you know it.



Why would I do that? Its not an offence to rereg. Best of luck.

My question was never answered. Social housing is not free end of story.

Mad_maxx

AllForIt wrote: »

There is no policy, public discussion, debate, on how to deal/cope/manage with certain sectors of society who quite frankly are complexity incapable. It's the whole 'don't you dare look down on ppl' idea. This I feel is very much a Catholic notion that the country is still influenced by.

Giving ppl money to survive and leaving them to their own devices thereafter is a recipe for disaster. Low level intimidation, petty crime, are the pass-times of those who have absolutely no direction in their lives. Noting to concentrate on, no self-improvement, nothing to aim for, nothing - all day every day.

It's not just Ballymun, city suburbs, it's in pockets of towns across the country is less well known areas. There is a mini Ballymun in every town in the country.

My point is, is that there is a long standing embargo about talking about this problem rationally. Given that, there is no hope to sort this problem out. Socialist will say it's all about spreading the wealth but what is evident spreading wealth does not fix the nature of the people in question or the problems they create.

We had a fraction of the welfare state fifty years ago yet nothing like the culture of delinquency which exists today

Liberals have been horribly wrong for decades yet are so arrogant, they demand they be listened to with the same policy plans

gormdubhgorm

They are tremendous grooming ground for Sinn Féin.
The world is against them. they can claim all the problems are the cause of someone else and not thier own. Generations of families who do not go on to third level. Lots of single mothers who had immaculate conceptions.
Rinse and repeat and it continues.

It is a cultural thing and it hard for people within that cultural mindset to break free from it.

Ulysses Gaze

Mad_maxx wrote: »

We had a fraction of the welfare state fifty years ago yet nothing like the culture of delinquency which exists today

Liberals have been horribly wrong for decades yet are so arrogant, they demand they be listened to with the same policy plans

Someone has been watching too many Turning Point USA videos.

We have never really had a "Liberal" Government of Ireland. Centrist Parties have dominated.

The Bradshaw report that was posted earlier sums up what the problems were.

mariaalice

Something that is interesting.

A charity that works with young people, not at-risk young people but they are not likely to be support many middle-class teenagers either, was having workshops to help the young people apply for the ESB apprenticeships.

Two things about that, its a public policy response that is trying to replicate the support that a lot of parents give their children i.e paying for prep courses and the second point why is there is an assumption that working-class kids that do not gell with the school are going to be saved by doing an apprenticeships instead of asking the question why they view school as a hassle?.

The public policy responses in today's society is providing wrap-around support from infancy on. A huge amount of organisations proving intervention between the individual and civic society, yet no one askes why families are not supported to do it for themselves and why they need support in the first palce.

gormdubhgorm

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

They are tremendous grooming ground for Sinn Féin.
The world is against them. they can claim all the problems are the cause of someone else and not thier own. Generations of families who do not go on to third level. Lots of single mothers who had immaculate conceptions.
Rinse and repeat and it continues.

It is a cultural thing and it hard for people within that cultural mindset to break free from it.

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mariaalice

Deleted User wrote: »

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The vast majority do absolutely fine but that is not what this thread is about.

Maewyn Succat

BanditLuke wrote: »

My question was never answered. Social housing is not free end of story.

But some people in social housing get free money to pay for their housing which amounts to the same thing.

Mad_maxx

Deleted User wrote: »

Right, because the private market is really fulfilling the needs of this county :rolleyes:
Evict the trouble makers and maybe, you know do the social housing thing, and move low income families in?


Stop paying fvcking HAP to landlords, which just creates a false bottom in rents, and move the social requirement tenants into the now vacated houses and charge them a correct rent, based on income levels

What happens when the local authority tenants stop paying the rent?

suicide_circus

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

They are tremendous grooming ground for Sinn F.
The world is against them. they can claim all the problems are the cause of someone else and not thier own. Generations of families who do not go on to third level. Lots of single mothers who had immaculate conceptions.
Rinse and repeat and it continues.

It is a cultural thing and it hard for people within that cultural mindset to break free from it.

you'll never lose votes by telling people their problems are caused by others.

Mad_maxx

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Someone has been watching too many Turning Point USA videos.

We have never really had a "Liberal" Government of Ireland. Centrist Parties have dominated.

The Bradshaw report that was posted earlier sums up what the problems were.

It matters not which parties the ministers who sign off come from, those who influence policy are unelected

NuttyMcNutty

I grew up in Ballymun since I was 7 years old, 47 now. I finished school, failed LC, done course, got a good job and guess where I bought my house, yes Ballymun. Feel safer there than I would anywhere else. Bad eggs everywhere, not just council estates.

Feisar

Deleted User wrote: »

Right, because the private market is really fulfilling the needs of this county :rolleyes:
Evict the trouble makers and maybe, you know do the social housing thing, and move low income families in?


Stop paying fvcking HAP to landlords, which just creates a false bottom in rents, and move the social requirement tenants into the now vacated houses and charge them a correct rent, based on income levels

These two things are not linked in the way you seem to think they are. The price of goods and services is not based on one's ability to pay.

suicide_circus

Mad_maxx wrote: »

We had a fraction of the welfare state fifty years ago yet nothing like the culture of delinquency which exists today

while the welfare states helps people it also facilitates the breakdown of the family unit.

the more the bureaucracy breaks down the family unit, the more reliant people become on the bureaucracy, the bigger the bureaucracy becomes.

Mad_maxx

suicide_circus wrote: »

while the welfare states helps people it also facilitates the breakdown of the family unit.

the more the bureaucracy breaks down the family unit, the more reliant people become on the bureaucracy, the bigger the bureaucracy becomes.

Which is the goal of the left, dependence on government is their lifeblood

FixitFelix

piplip87 wrote: »

Putting a bunch of permanent jobseekers in large numbers into one area breeds crime. You get fellas growing up with a parent who does not work so cannot provide for them, then they see the local scumbags driving good cars, plenty of money etc so they decide to follow suit. Unfortunately some who try to follow will like drugs too much and will take instead of sell.

Now I am not bashing council estates, I am only bashing the small minority in these places who cause trouble.

If councils and TULSA did their jobs and identify scumbag parents quicker these areas would not have such chronic amounts of crime

TUSLA is going to be the next be scandal in Ireland.

gormdubhgorm

NuttyMcNutty wrote: »

I grew up in Ballymun since I was 7 years old, 47 now. I finished school, failed LC, done course, got a good job and guess where I bought my house, yes Ballymun. Feel safer there than I would anywhere else. Bad eggs everywhere, not just council estates.

I was just about to say most people from the 'rough' areas would move first chance they got. There is a reason many in Ballymun put down Santry/Glasnevin on thier address.
Maybe you are the exception?

The problem with the bad eggs is that they are everywhere and many of them come from council estates. Giving the decent people a bad name.