Should Ireland and the rest of Europe take in more migrants based in Turkey?

alastair

Harmonics wrote: »

Yeah sure open the borders to thousands of fighting age men from places like Afghanistan. What can possibly go wrong...

Asylum responsibility doesn’t exclude young men. In any case only half of refugees coming to the E.U. are in that age group, and a third of those are women.

str8talkingguy

alastair wrote: »

Asylum responsibility doesn’t exclude young men. In any case only half of refugees coming to the E.U. are in that age group, and a third of those are women.

You are on every thread pushing a leftist establishment agenda alastair.You should really be getting paid for your work on boards.

You obviously are doing well and are happy with the status quo and don't want anything to change,try seeing others point of view sometimes.

For some of the less well off aren't happy,they have little and some have nothing,and they can't afford to share with half the world,we are only a small country with little infrastructure.

alastair

Harmonics wrote: »

Europe took in a million 'refugees' and got sexual violence and terrorism as a thank you. We've done enough.

Doubt you’ve done anything tbh.

alastair

str8talkingguy wrote: »

You are on every thread pushing a leftist establishment agenda alastair.You should really be getting paid for your work on boards.

You obviously are doing well and are happy with the status quo and don't want anything to change,try seeing others point of view sometimes.

For some of the less well off aren't happy,they have little and some have nothing,and they can't afford to share with half the world,we are only a small country with little infrastructure.

‘Leftist establishment’ ��

There’s more refugees in Lebanon and Jordan alone than the entirety of the EU. And they are far poorer than the E.U. So I suspect your perspective is a bit off.

alastair

Harmonics wrote: »

No because I don't want Europe flooded with 'refugees'.

🎻

Blueshoe

McGiver wrote: »

Yes, and it's happening.


We're not doing it. Do you have evidence we do?

Also - define unskilled. For example social care workers, nurses are all labelled as low skilled but hell they're important especially if you don't (and won't) have a local supply.

All is well so. Thanks McTaker

Lefty Bicek

McGiver wrote: »

That would need a bit more elaboration I guess. Something is missing? You're on a discussion forum not sending texts to pals.

I made it very clear that to which I am referring, so no elaboration is required.

Jamie2k9

48% - to many asylum seekers
10% - should take none

Plus most think they are a drain on resources...

https://www.businesspost.ie/ireland/half-of-people-say-too-many-asylum-seekers-here-4507bb40

alastair

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

48% - to many asylum seekers
10% - should take none

Plus most think they are a drain on resources...

https://www.businesspost.ie/ireland/half-of-people-say-too-many-asylum-seekers-here-4507bb40

Paywalled, but that would be a majority don’t believe there’s too many asylum seekers, and also:

Irish public also believe that immigrants have a positive impact on culture and the economy, according to new survey

Clearly asylum provision is a ‘drain on resources’ - it’s a service after all.

Jamie2k9

alastair wrote: »

Paywalled, but that would be a majority don’t believe there’s too many asylum seekers, and also:



Clearly asylum provision is a ‘drain on resources’ - it’s a service after all.

58%...

alastair

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

58%...

Nope - you’re combining two different questions to create a false majority. The header makes clear that less than half of those polled felt there were too many asylum seekers. That’s a minority.

10000maniacs

alastair wrote: »

‘Leftist establishment’ ��

There’s more refugees in Lebanon and Jordan alone than the entirety of the EU. And they are far poorer than the E.U. So I suspect your perspective is a bit off.

Two wrongs don't make a right Alastair. Jordan and the Lebanon were geographically unlucky as were Greece, Italy and Turkey. If the EU can stop this, they should. It's sad on a humaniterian level, but it's is not the EU's responsibility. On what basis can it be?
There is some bleeding heart gob****e on RTE Radio 1 now saying Ireland carries some responsibility for the crisis and should do more. Breaking news, we don't and we should not.

Jamie2k9

alastair wrote: »

Nope - you’re combining two different questions to create a false majority. The header makes clear that less than half of those polled felt there were too many asylum seekers. That’s a minority.

They were clearly asked one question and given choices, its safe to assume the 10% who don't want any think there are to many.

alastair

10000maniacs wrote: »

Two wrongs don't make a right Alastair. Jordan and the Lebanon were geographically unlucky as were Greece, Italy and Turkey. If the EU can stop this, they should. It's sad on a humaniterian level, but it's is not the EU's responsibility. On what basis can it be?
There is some bleeding heart gob****e on RTE Radio 1 now saying Ireland carries some responsibility for the crisis and should do more. Breaking news, we don't and we should not.

What exactly is wrong about Jordan and Lebanon hosting refugees? It’s certainly every states legal responsibility to offer asylum to legitimate refugees.

alastair

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

They were clearly asked one question and given choices, its safe to assume the 10% who don't want any think there are to many.

No it’s not. The headline makes clear that it was less than half - so it’s definitely not 58%. You’re combining two different questions.

vriesmays

Clarence Boddiker wrote: »

They don't seem to be able to make that connection, just like those complaining about the housing/ accommodation crisis whilst supporting open borders can't seem to make the (very obvious) connection either

Brainwashed by women teachers in school and not clever enough to think with their minds.

alastair

vriesmays wrote: »

Brainwashed by women teachers in school and not clever enough to think with their minds.

Odhinn

vriesmays wrote: »

Brainwashed by women teachers in school and not clever enough to think with their minds.

You might elaborate on that....?

10000maniacs

alastair wrote: »

What exactly is wrong about Jordan and Lebanon hosting refugees? It’s certainly every states legal responsibility to offer asylum to legitimate refugees.

Not much if that floats their boat, but you keep suggesting that if they can do it, everyone else should do it. However, the minute they leave a safe country like Turkey, Jordan or Lebanon, they cease to be refugees and are now mere migrants. So comparing the EU to Turkey, Jordan or Lebanon is like comparing apples to oranges.

alastair

10000maniacs wrote: »

Not much if that floats their boat, but you keep suggesting that if they can do it, everyone else should do it. However, the minute they leave a safe country like Turkey, Jordan or Lebanon, they cease to be refugees and are now mere migrants. So comparing the EU to Turkey, Jordan or Lebanon is like comparing apples to oranges.

There’s absolutely nothing to stop refugees travelling through any number of safe countries to make a claim of asylum. Perhaps it’s escaped your notice that pretty much everyone granted asylum in Ireland has done so?

10000maniacs

alastair wrote: »

There’s absolutely nothing to stop refugees travelling through any number of safe countries to make a claim of asylum. Perhaps it’s escaped your notice that pretty much everyone granted asylum in a Ireland has done so?

If they have come from a safe country to Ireland and have somehow been given asylum, then the core rules of the Dublin Regulation are being flouted by officials.

alastair

10000maniacs wrote: »

If they have come from a safe country to Ireland and have somehow been given asylum, then the core rules of the Dublin Regulation are being flouted by officials.

Nope; they’re not. The Dublin Regulations require an asylum claimant at the first EU state of registration. If there’s no registration applied, then the claimant can travel onwards and make their claim in any other EU country. Anyone registered in another EU country is identified via the EU-wide database, and their claim is transferred to that country.

Again - there’s nothing to stop an asylum seeker travelling through multiple safe countries before making a successful claim.

10000maniacs

alastair wrote: »

Nope; they’re not. The Dublin Regulations require an asylum claimant at the first EU state of registration. If there’s no registration applied, then the claimant can travel onwards and make their claim in any other EU country. Anyone registered in another EU country is identified via the EU-wide database, and their claim is transferred to that country.

Again - there’s nothing to stop an asylum seeker travelling through multiple safe countries before making a successful claim.

Greece, Spain and Italy fingerprint all migrants that are aprehended, and that fingerprint acts as registration under Dublin rules.

alastair

10000maniacs wrote: »

Greece, Spain and Italy fingerprint all migrants that are aprehended, and that fingerprint acts as registration under Dublin rules.

Yes. But that assumes that the people are fingerprinted - which is generally not the case with Italy, and even if they are, and those fingerprints show up when an application is made in another EU country, the request for a take-back to the first country would have to be agreed by that country. Greece only accepted about 2% of German take-back requests in recent years.

10000maniacs

alastair wrote: »

Yes. But that assumes that the people are fingerprinted - which is generally not the case with Italy, and even if they are, and those fingerprints show up when an application is made in another EU country, the request for a take-back to the first country would have to be agreed by that country. Greece only accepted about 2% of German take-back requests in recent years.

So you are arguing the case for fraudulent claims? Asylum tourism?
Dublin rules apply to asylum seekers too. Not just the authorities. Binning your papers should be no defence.

alastair

10000maniacs wrote: »

So you are arguing the case for fraudulent claims? Asylum tourism?
Dublin rules apply to asylum seekers too. Not just the authorities. Binning your papers should be no defence.

There’s nothing fraudulent about making a claim in any EU country. The Dublin Regulations are an internal EU arrangement and don’t make any claim an illegal one - it’s merely an agreement to decide the State that administers the claim. The claimant can legally make their claim in any EU country - there’s no onus on them to pay any attention to the Dublin Regulations. If their claim is subsequently transferred, that’s a different matter - but it doesn’t make their claim fraudulent or illegal.

4068ac1elhodqr

All the folks interviewed on the BBC special report over there from a couple of days ago, never once mentioned they're seeking refuge.

All the interviewed (young men), all claimed without pause that they were seeking 'a better life'.
Economic Migration.

Very very few were even from Syria, as one would assume.
Also very, very, very few were females.

LaFuton

no

McGiver

Lefty Bicek wrote:

I made it very clear that to which I am referring, so no elaboration is required.

No you didn't. You're on a discussion forum not in a pub. Shouting 3 word silly slogans won't work here.

Eric Cartman

Abraham Happy Oaf wrote: »

All the folks interviewed on the BBC special report over there from a couple of days ago, never once mentioned they're seeking refuge.

All the interviewed (young men), all claimed without pause that they were seeking 'a better life'.
Economic Migration.

Very very few were even from Syria, as one would assume.
Also very, very, very few were females.

so not women and children who are all doctors and engineers fleeing a terrible war like the guardian would have you believe ?