Sinn Fein - just where is the money coming from?

blanch152

partyguinness wrote: »

If you want to debate as an adult please write like an adult.

partyguinness wrote: »

The bitterness and bile is strong in this one.

I see, do what I say, not what I do. It could almost be a Sinn Fein mantra.

maccored

blanch152 wrote: »

I see, do what I say, not what I do. It could almost be a Sinn Fein mantra.

your sentence and those quotes bear no relevance. as long as you can slip in an anti shinner insult though, yes? thats alls thats important. like a 7 year old pretending to hate their crush

Randy Archer

partyguinness wrote: »

The bitterness and bile is strong in this one.

Ah boo hoo, your feelings are hurt are they ? Fully well founded and well placed too

Ya, have big issues with personnel still with the party who

(A) stood with and supported criminals who ,even by IRA standards , went against their own rules and shot and killed a member of my extended family while he was Serving in the Gardai trying to provide security for a post office ..

became self appointed anti vigilantes but keeping the drugs for themselves ,and totally forgetting how the drug gangs of today got their first stash of automatics

C) attacking people simply because of their religion and to be seen to be doing something as revenge for an attack of one of their own the night before

(D) oh and the laughable “do you know who I am” ya hear from barstoolers , bouncers and taxi drivers around the 9 counties, Louth and laughably Leitrim (who sat on their hole during the tan war) ...funny how it was put to them whether their “superior” would not take kindly to hear that they, being a secret group, were known to be mouthing off in public - alas , no wonder the Brits got to them during the ceasefire ..shame it was not before Robert McCartney got confronted eh


Hilarious listening to any Shinner talk utter confidential ****e or complain about bile and bitterness and those scumbags have been dishing it out for 40 years

And as for the current the Wednesday Welfare club that wouldn’t know their arse from their elbow when it comes to the history of this country or politics, please! When thE suits in SF try to pretend to be FF and become middle of the road , those stains of society will be left to rot and left to where they belong. They can run off to head bangers like Paul Murphy who will run them up a hill and leave them there ie water charges protests

In your comic book, pointing out that SF utterly failed in Dublin Coty Council is being bitter ? Ha ha ha . Jog on, the people of Dublin told them to jog on during the local election

Bitterness for pointing out that Mary State the bleeding obvious McDonald was hopeless during the pre election debates is being bitter

God , keep it up. If you are what makes up the party, the rest do the parties north and south will run rings around SF

Randy Archer

blanch152 wrote: »

I see, do what I say, not what I do. It could almost be a Sinn Fein mantra.

That IS the SF mantra, always has been . Why do you think so many members and councillors fled the party ?

nigeldaniel

The yanks have been sending money to them for donkey's years. Other than that, no idea.

Randy Archer

nigeldaniel wrote: »

The yanks have been sending money to them for donkey's years. Other than that, no idea.

Jarry has knocked out several books too . Readable to be fair, a fair bit of revisionism but, there was a few attempts to kill him and it’s well covered in his book .boring they ain’t

maccored

Randy Archer wrote: »

That IS the SF mantra, always has been . Why do you think so many members and councillors fled the party ?

g'wan tellus. sure we're literally on lockdown soon so a good fairytale is just the answer

Randy Archer

maccored wrote: »

g'wan tellus. sure we're literally on lockdown soon so a good fairytale is just the answer

Ah, considering you wouldn’t know your arse from your elbow, you’d be better off tone down the uppity , you don’t have the nouse to carry it off . You, like most barstoolers are a useful stooge and no more

Fairy tails ? Sure Shinners know all about that . Still having notions that the 2nd ever Dáil is still the only legitimate government of Ireland ?

You disputing the kangaroo courts and the statements made by ex Sinn Fein members, many of them sitting councillors ,about being hounded out of the party ?

Either bullied out or flat out expelled (though in the latter situation expulsions are normal in political parties ) . Here’s a list of several out of the 30 odd councillors SF lost BEFORE the last local election , you must have had your head in the sand

1. Paul Hogan , Athlone, councillor since 2004, build up the party in Westmeath , strong republican background so no typical bs about careerists lark.He would have contended for County years Earlier if he wasn’t a SF member, so it has nothing to do with hard luck stories . You do cant deny the allegations of bullying Either , it consisted of death threats and a smear campaign that was for all to see on Facebook when it happened ! And the culprits and their backgrounds are known

2. Sandra Mclellan Ex TD Cork ,allegations of unelected officers bullying and undermining her , way beyond the usual crap people deal with in county Cummans of other parties - least this time one memeber was expelled while the other was suspended .

3. Lisa Sheehan , Limerick Councillor , same allegations

4. Noeleen Reilly, Dublin North West ,ditto

5. Gerry O’Neill , Councillor , Wicklow

6 John Snell, Councillor , Wicklow

7. John Cassin, Offaly Councillor

8. Seamie Morris, councillor in Neagh Tipperary

Can’t be all lying. And that is just 8 cases

Fairy tales though. You clearly deny these allegations . Good man, just remember how many people read these threads ! They will see the type of mob Shinners have to keep company with . Oh course, they can see with their own eyes when they attend vote counting in the election halls

FrancieBrady

Randy Archer wrote: »

Ah, considering you wouldn’t know your arse from your elbow, you’d be better off tone down the uppity , you don’t have the nouse to carry it off . You, like most barstoolers are a useful stooge and no more

Fairy tails ? Sure Shinners know all about that . Still having notions that the 2nd ever Dáil is still the only legitimate government of Ireland ?

You disputing the kangaroo courts and the statements made by ex Sinn Fein members, many of them sitting councillors ,about being hounded out of the party ?

Either bullied out or flat out expelled (though in the latter situation explosions are normal ) . Here’s a list of several out of the 30 odd councillors SF lost BEFORE the last local election , you must have had your head in the sand

1. Paul Hogan , Athlone, councillor since 2004, build up the party in Westmeath , strong republican background so no typical bs about careerists lark.He would have contended for County years Earlier if he wasn’t a SF member, so it has nothing to do with hard luck stories . You do cant deny the allegations of bullying Either , it consisted of death threats and a smear campaign that was for all to see on Facebook when it happened ! And the culprits and their backgrounds are known

2. Sandra Mclellan Ex TD Cork ,allegations of unelected officers bullying and undermining her , way beyond the usual crap people deal with in county Cummans of other parties - least this time one memeber was expelled while the other was suspended .

3. Lisa Sheehan , Limerick Councillor , same allegations

4. Noeleen Reilly, Dublin North West ,ditto

5. Gerry O’Neill , Councillor , Wicklow

6 John Snell, Councillor , Wicklow

7. John Cassin, Offaly Councillor

8. Seamie Morris, councillor in Neagh Tipperary

Can’t be all lying. And that is just 8 cases

Fairy tales though. You clearly deny these allegations . Good man, just remember how many people read these threads ! They will see the type of mob Shinners have to keep company with . Oh course, they can see with their own eyes when they attend vote counting in the election halls

The reason these cases never make it to a court of law and wither on the vine I reckon is that it is more or less what happens in all party's, people come and go, lose the plot, cannot go along with policy, have personality disputes.
The difference is, is that there is a willing press waiting for them to breathe the word 'bullied in SF'.
Then they are used for a few editions and forgotten.

Randy Archer

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The reason these cases never make it to a court of law and wither on the vine I reckon is that it is more or less what happens in all party's, people come and go, lose the plot, cannot go along with policy, have personality disputes.
The difference is, is that there is a willing press waiting for them to breathe the word 'bullied in SF'.
Then they are used for a few editions and forgotten.

Yes, internal party hostility does and did happen in other parties , absolutely. Sure Pee Flynn and his pro Haughey mob are on record boasting about it . Smear campaigns though ? Death threats ? (Suppose ff man being threatened that they could have a road accident is the same )

Tame in comparison however . And it didn’t cost them elections

This was the major reason why SF got hammered in the local elections . Smashed . After all that good work in 2014

How many people you know spilled the beans on SF /IRA in a court or the papers and got away with it ? There’s a reason those Boston tapes were released only on the interviewees death .

People aren’t naive enough to think going to the police would do anything. Such a predictable line from Shinner bots . Secondly not all forms of bullying /undermining is criminal so what are the cops to do ?

Lastly , the Gardai wouldn’t and didn’t raise a finger for SF members for obvious reasons . They were only too delighted to see members gets a taste dog their own medicine , “rats turning on each other” was a common line from Gardai I know .

FrancieBrady

Randy Archer wrote: »

Yes, internal party hostility does and did happen in other parties , absolutely. Sure Pee Flynn and his pro Haughey mob are on record boasting about it . Smear campaigns though ? Death threats ? (Suppose ff man being threatened that they could have a road accident is the same )

Tame in comparison however . And it didn’t cost them elections

This was the major reason why SF got hammered in the local elections . Smashed . After all that good work in 2014

How many people you know spilled the beans on SF /IRA in a court or the papers and got away with it ? There’s a reason those Boston tapes were released only on the interviewees death .

People aren’t naive enough to think going to the police would do anything. Such a predictable line from Shinner bots . Secondly not all forms of bullying /undermining is criminal so what are the cops to do ?

Lastly , the Gardai wouldn’t and didn’t raise a finger for SF members for obvious reasons . They were only too delighted to see members gets a taste dog their own medicine , “rats turning on each other” was a common line from Gardai I know .

So they go public on their claims, cost SF and the IRA old men in the Antrim hills somewhere their nefarious plan to take the elections, without anyone hurting them or silencing them.
But if they go into a court then all manner of grief and violence will befall them because they are thwarting the 'RA?

maccored

Randy Archer wrote: »

Ah, considering you wouldn’t know your arse from your elbow, you’d be better off tone down the uppity , you don’t have the nouse to carry it off . You, like most barstoolers are a useful stooge and no more

Fairy tails ? Sure Shinners know all about that . Still having notions that the 2nd ever Dáil is still the only legitimate government of Ireland ?

You disputing the kangaroo courts and the statements made by ex Sinn Fein members, many of them sitting councillors ,about being hounded out of the party ?

Either bullied out or flat out expelled (though in the latter situation expulsions are normal in political parties ) . Here’s a list of several out of the 30 odd councillors SF lost BEFORE the last local election , you must have had your head in the sand

1. Paul Hogan , Athlone, councillor since 2004, build up the party in Westmeath , strong republican background so no typical bs about careerists lark.He would have contended for County years Earlier if he wasn’t a SF member, so it has nothing to do with hard luck stories . You do cant deny the allegations of bullying Either , it consisted of death threats and a smear campaign that was for all to see on Facebook when it happened ! And the culprits and their backgrounds are known

2. Sandra Mclellan Ex TD Cork ,allegations of unelected officers bullying and undermining her , way beyond the usual crap people deal with in county Cummans of other parties - least this time one memeber was expelled while the other was suspended .

3. Lisa Sheehan , Limerick Councillor , same allegations

4. Noeleen Reilly, Dublin North West ,ditto

5. Gerry O’Neill , Councillor , Wicklow

6 John Snell, Councillor , Wicklow

7. John Cassin, Offaly Councillor

8. Seamie Morris, councillor in Neagh Tipperary

Can’t be all lying. And that is just 8 cases

Fairy tales though. You clearly deny these allegations . Good man, just remember how many people read these threads ! They will see the type of mob Shinners have to keep company with . Oh course, they can see with their own eyes when they attend vote counting in the election halls

what ****e are you talking here? Because basically, thats what it is. Love the tough keyboard warriors. such smartarses.

Cassin is carlow btw - get your facts straight.

mynamejeff

maccored wrote: »

what ****e are you talking here? Because basically, thats what it is. Love the tough keyboard warriors. such smartarses.

Cassin is carlow btw - get your facts straight.

that is one weak ass comeback even for you

Randy Archer

FrancieBrady wrote: »

So they go public on their claims, cost SF and the IRA old men in the Antrim hills somewhere their nefarious plan to take the elections, without anyone hurting them or silencing them.
But if they go into a court then all manner of grief and violence will befall them because they are thwarting the 'RA?

What Antrim men were running in the local Southern elections in 2019 ?

Without hurting them ? Lol. Nah, just smear campaigns seeking to defame many of the above mentioned councillors 🙄. But, they laid ina bed with flees so that’s their problem

Shinners don’t have the safe zones South if Dundalk like they do (or least did till the death of Robert McCartney ) in the North where the people turned a blind eye . They can’t do the “do you know who I am “ big boy talk as effective down here either

As for the last disingenuous bit, lol, so essentially you are denying that these incidents were legitimate . Good man

FrancieBrady

Randy Archer wrote: »

What Antrim men were running in the local Southern elections in 2019 ?

Without hurting them ? Lol. Nah, just smear campaigns seeking to defame many of the above mentioned councillors 🙄. But, they laid ina bed with flees so that’s their problem

Shinners don’t have the safe zones South if Dundalk like they do (or least did till the death of Robert McCartney ) in the North where the people turned a blind eye . They can’t do the “do you know who I am “ big boy talk as effective down here either

As for the last disingenuous bit, lol, so essentially you are denying that these incidents were legitimate . Good man

I am saying they were probably no more than the usual mix of narcissism, pride and politics that happens in all parties. With a willing press/media looking for the sensationalist bullying angle.

These stories never seem to get past the big juicy headline... is my point. And nobody seems to get disappeared or hurt for going public either...which must be a great disappointment to some.

Randy Archer

maccored wrote: »

what ****e are you talking here? Because basically, thats what it is. Love the tough keyboard warriors. such smartarses.

Cassin is carlow btw - get your facts straight.

You have reading and comphrension issues, we get it , now **** off back to reading Anne and Barry books ,we know exactly the class of person you are

What keyboard warrior ? Smart arses ? Keyboard warrior ? You actually understand that meaning, ? You clearly don’t

Setting out facts means one is a smart arse (that wouldn’t look hard with the intelligence you displayed) and a key board warrior ? Lol

You are essentially denying what has gone on in the party . Lol.

Randy Archer

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I am saying they were probably no more than the usual mix of narcissism, pride and politics that happens in all parties. With a willing press/media looking for the sensationalist bullying angle.

These stories never seem to get past the big juicy headline... is my point. And nobody seems to get disappeared or hurt for going public either...which must be a great disappointment to some.

NO, what you are saying is , you are denying the allegations arose , you are denying that there was a toxic atmosphere in the party where unelected and unelectable party volunteers/busy bodies resort to online smear campaigns regarding the characters and reputation of the said councillor (s) (Which were there for all to see on Facebook btw) not to mention actually tearing down that candidates posters during election time . (That’s normally what the opposition do)

How predictable. Surprised you didn’t waffle out x was a careerist etc . That’s the usual excuse wheeled out eg Killian Forde ,Ex Dublin City Councillor jumped ship to Labour (Though that was for political personnel issues rather than bullying )

So how did Noeleen Reilly get bruises on her legs ? Tripped down a stairs on her own ?

You are defending the un-defendable . These weren’t cases where most councillors threw a strope because they didn’t get elected into the party ticket for the Dáil (a common reason people leave other parties )

Rodney Bathgate

Had anyone mentioned the lad who cut his own penis off yet?

cj maxx

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

Had anyone mentioned the lad who cut his own penis off yet?

What? When , who and why??
I haven't read the whole thread so forgive me but ????

FrancieBrady

Randy Archer wrote: »

NO, what you are saying is , you are denying the allegations arose , you are denying that there was a toxic atmosphere in the party where unelected and unelectable party volunteers/busy bodies resort to online smear campaigns regarding the characters and reputation of the said councillor (s) (Which were there for all to see on Facebook btw) not to mention actually tearing down that candidates posters during election time . (That’s normally what the opposition do)

How predictable. Surprised you didn’t waffle out x was a careerist etc . That’s the usual excuse wheeled out eg Killian Forde ,Ex Dublin City Councillor jumped ship to Labour (Though that was for political personnel issues rather than bullying )

So how did Noeleen Reilly get bruises on her legs ? Tripped down a stairs on her own ?

You are defending the un-defendable . These weren’t cases where most councillors threw a strope because they didn’t get elected into the party ticket for the Dáil (a common reason people leave other parties )

I am not 'defending' anything.

You are talking about 'atmosphere's', well there is an atmosphere in the media that encourages this kind of stuff that invariably goes nowhere.

If you have a negative story about SF...automatic headlines.

The FG party here in my constituency is effectively two parties /two factions, because of the exact same issues...personalities and what could be construed as bullying bit is really just political competitiveness...of course that is never looked at in the media, because in fairness...who would be interested only FGers.

Rodney Bathgate

cj maxx wrote: »

What? When , who and why??
I haven't read the whole thread so forgive me but ????

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/irish-news/donor-who-left-16m-to-sinn-fein-mutilated-himself-after-allegation-of-affair-38479486.html

Randy Archer

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I am not 'defending' anything.

You are talking about 'atmosphere's', well there is an atmosphere in the media that encourages this kind of stuff that invariably goes nowhere.

If you have a negative story about SF...automatic headlines.

The FG party here in my constituency is effectively two parties /two factions, because of the exact same issues...personalities and what could be construed as bullying bit is really just political competitiveness...of course that is never looked at in the media, because in fairness...who would be interested only FGers.

Spare us the whataboutry. If the media failed to report on these numerous incidents ,then they’d be neglecting to do their job . Those cases were to big to ignore .

You have tried to dismiss and lessen these specific cases by wondering aloud that it might the the usual reasons members do leave their parties ie narcissism etc

The media were more than happy over the decades to cover eg The issues between FF and the Blaney family of Donegal, the laughable in fighting in Westmeath between Mammy O’Rourke and Donnie Cassidy , and the usual guff going on in Dun Laoighre between Mary Hanafin and whatever bright young thing that they add to the ticket. Not to mention FG issues with Alan Shatter vs FG candidates in Dublin South , not to mention the Ahern /Drumcondra Mafia vs MRy Fitzpatrick in Dublin Central

It never got out of hand the way it has with SF councillors, but nah, in your book, there was some egos or narcissism involved

FrancieBrady

Randy Archer wrote: »

Spare us the whataboutry. If the media failed to report on these numerous incidents ,then they’d be neglecting to do their job . Those cases were to big to ignore .

You have tried to dismiss and lessen these specific cases by wondering aloud that it might the the usual reasons members do leave their parties ie narcissism etc

The media were more than happy over the decades to cover eg The issues between FF and the Blaney family of Doengal, the laughable in fighting in Westmeath between Mammy O’Rourke and Donnie Cassidy , and the usual guff going on in Dun Laoighre between Mary Hanafin and whatever bright young thing that they add to the ticket. Not to mention FG issues with Alan Shatter vs FG candidates in Dublin South , not to mention the Ahern /Drumcondra Mafia vs MRy Fitzpatrick in Dublin Central

It never got out of hand the way it has with SF councillors, but nah, in your book, there was some egos or narcissism involved

Can you show me headlines again and again about 'bullying' in FF and FG?

No you can't.

But google 'Bullying in Sinn Fein and you get headline after headline about cases that never go anywhere.

Competitive political shenanigins of course go on as I pointed out and as you specifically named.
I suppose it depends what side of bed the journo got out of what label he/she wants to put on it.

TheCitizen

A ridiculously hypocritical thread when you think about how much FG spend on spin and bullshít.

Randy Archer

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Can you show me headlines again and again about 'bullying' in FF and FG?

No you can't.

But google 'Bullying in Sinn Fein and you get headline after headline about cases that never go anywhere.

Competitive political shenanigins of course go on as I pointed out and as you specifically named.
I suppose it depends what side of bed the journo got out of what label he/she wants to put on it.

Oh you sure ?

If you are going to ask a question, let the person answer it !!! . It will spare the egg on your face . Bigly!

1. Read up on Mary Fitzpatrick and the claims that she has made against Bertie and his brothers and the rest of the mob ! Like you and the other two geniuses above, FF hardcore followers always make claims of ego , not being a team worker and her not being good enough to get elected (which, in fairness is a legitimate argument)

2. There is a whole 4-5 part documentary from 2005 on Charles J Haughey ,done by RTE (Miriam O’Callaghan production ) where TDs, some of whom did really well out of being a stooge for CJ , talked about TDs being fearful of being driven off the road. Gerldaine Kennedy ,ex PD and Irish Times Editor told the camera without any qualification that she saw grown men cry in fear of CJ and would only speak behind bushes

3.

There’s a reason why SF get headlines , they are toxic and they can’t hide it !

Ff and FG have corruption and brown eNvelopes, the various socialist mobs still have the history of the 1980s hanging over them and constant reports of bitter feuds and splits , and SF have the Ra and bully boy atmosphere in the party with the Power struggle between the New untainted members verses the old members n volunteers who might have been useful 10 years ago collecting money for ex prisoners fund but are as useful as a tits on a bull in modern politics

Political Shenanigans include assault , defamation and death threats in other parties ? Christ above, wouldn’t it be better off that you refrain from commenting further ? You clearly deny the existence of these problems in the SF party and prefer to blame the media - pretty pathetic

It’s blatant to that you have tried to down play this with the usual whatsboutry , because you sure as hell can not deny it happened even if you want to

Randy Archer

TheCitizen wrote: »

A ridiculously hypocritical thread when you think about how much FG spend on spin and bullshít.

Eh, when did FG and FF Rob banks ,post offices and take proceeds from drugs and dodgy diesel ?

Can’t spin your way out of that my good man

Runaways

Randy Archer wrote: »

Eh, when did FG and FF Rob banks ,post offices and take proceeds from drugs and dodgy diesel ?

Can’t spin your way out of that my good man

FG just prefers to make its money off fraudulent insurance claims. Until they were caught red handed anyways

FrancieBrady

Randy Archer wrote: »

Oh you sure ?

If you are going to ask a question, let the person answer it !!! . It will spare the egg on your face . Bigly!

1. Read up on Mary Fitzpatrick and the claims that she has made against Bertie and his brothers and the rest of the mob ! Like you and the other two geniuses above, FF hardcore followers always make claims of ego , not being a team worker and her not being good enough to get elected (which, in fairness is a legitimate argument)

2. There is a whole 4-5 part documentary from 2005 on Charles J Haughey ,done by RTE (Miriam O’Callaghan production ) where TDs, some of whom did really well out of being a stooge for CJ , talked about TDs being fearful of being driven off the road. Gerldaine Kennedy ,ex PD and Irish Times Editor told the camera without any qualification that she saw grown men cry in fear of CJ and would only speak behind bushes

3.

There’s a reason why SF get headlines , they are toxic and they can’t hide it !

Ff and FG have corruption and brown eNvelopes, the various socialist mobs still have the history of the 1980s hanging over them and constant reports of bitter feuds and splits , and SF have the Ra and bully boy atmosphere in the party with the Power struggle between the New untainted members verses the old members n volunteers who might have been useful 10 years ago collecting money for ex prisoners fund but are as useful as a tits on a bull in modern politics

Political Shenanigans include assault , defamation and death threats in other parties ? Christ above, wouldn’t it be better off that you refrain from commenting further ? You clearly deny the existence of these problems in the SF party and prefer to blame the media - pretty pathetic

It’s blatant to that you have tried to down play this with the usual whatsboutry , because you sure as hell can not deny it happened even if you want to

and....where are all the salacious headlines about bullying within FF?

They don't exist. Not in volume they do in relation to SF anyhow.

Point proven.

And SF got the highest vote of any party in the last election...who is toxic again?

FrancieBrady

Randy Archer wrote: »

Eh, when did FG and FF Rob banks ,post offices and take proceeds from drugs and dodgy diesel ?

Can’t spin your way out of that my good man

They were quite happy to use any means possible to fund raise and WIN when they were involved in a conflict/war.

Randy Archer

Runaways wrote: »

FG just prefers to make its money off fraudulent insurance claims. Until they were caught red handed anyways

Well, they clearly do not since she got kicked out of the parliamentary party and FG supporters withdrew their support for her in the last election

Considering the type of people that are seen in the Circuit courts around the country with their own fraudulent insurance claims, seriously, SF supporters ,really ought not comment on that one . Not to mention social welfare fraud

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