Coronavirus Part IV - 19 cases in ROI, 7 in NI (as of 7 March) *Read warnings in OP*

tails_naf

Duke of Url wrote: »

Correct. There was never any containment.

China made an effort. but how do you contain something you cant see (asymptomatic).

The EU made no effort.

Ireland made no effort.

2020 should be the year that all monies assigned to low priority projects listed in the budget should be redirected into the Health services.

Ireland could make that call today.

Ireland not making an effort is not due to a lack of funding. The official line was keeping flights to italy open, do feck all testing (only on people clearly ill), etc.

Giving more money to this shower won't help...

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

RandomName2 wrote: »

No it will likely be millions (wordwide).



This is based on the 2% fatality rate that has been widely reported and seems very consistent.



The vast majority will recover.



Or you could just look at reporting.

If we don’t know how many people are carrying it, it’s hard to calculate an accurate mortality rate. That figure is likely to change. For example (ALL HYPOTHETICAL FIGURES JUST FOR ILLUSTRATIVE PURPOSES), if 10 people die and 100 test positive, that’s a 10% death rate, right? Well, no, because there could be a huge amount of carriers who never display any symptoms or very mild ones that they mistake for another ailment. So if there are actually, say, 400 people carrying it, the mortality rate would be 2.5%.

timmyntc

titan18 wrote: »

Surely the key is that the people who have health issues or bad immune systems should just lock themselves in doors for the virus length and the rest of us can live our lives like normal, if all it's going to be is a cold.

It's not going be a cold.
A "mild" case of this is a bad dose of flu at best - the WHO report makes distinctions between mild, severe and critical cases - but mild cases can include those who develop viral pneumonia. It's mild compared to the other outcomes, not mild in and of itself.

Bob24

iguana wrote: »

That wasn’t my post. It could easily take 6-8 weeks before Europe’s recovery rates are higher than active cases. That’s a completely uneducated guess.

Ah ok sorry, so yeah my post your replied in was about the other person’s comment about Europe.

No way figures are going down in the next couple of weeks unless some parameters of the equation are changing . And at the end of the day no one can predict where we are heading as it depends on:
- what measures governments take to slow down contagion (currently, a lot less in Europe than in China)
- will a cure/vaccin become available? (Unlikely in the short term but who knows and it could fairly quickly solve the issue)
- will the virus slow down by itself do to warmer weather or whatever other reason (impossible to predict but that could also be a resolution)

nthclare

pjohnson wrote: »

Makes sense why there is such a cover up to protect them.

Typical absolutely typical, but don't worry most of North Clare knows who it is.
N9 doubt his stupidly and ignorance will not go away with his career in tatters and his lack of professionalism.

I wouldn't wish him to loose his career and legitimacy but he shoul have been aware of the variables involved in his decisions.

From hero to zero as they say.

Hopefully not a whole lot of people will be infected.

In North Clare at the moment people are agitated and pissed off.

embraer170

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I don't think so at all.

But I think the figures out of Germany today are going to frighten people. The sun is barely up and they already have 134 new cases.

What large scale measures are European countries implementing?

Wuhan was put into lock down when China had less than 550 cases. We are far beyond that in Italy, Germany, France.

Keyzer

I'm still trying to comprehend the level of stupidity required for a someone who, after returning to Ireland from an infected red zone area, thinks its a good to go to work.

In a hospital...

Surely even the smallest grain of common sense kicks in there and you decide to self isolate with your family.

I mean what level of stupid is that? Surely its off the richter scale for stupid.

Widdensushi

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

Allegedly there is a high profile TD currently self isolating as their child may have come in contact with someone confirmed to have Covid19...it's kinda obvious if you are following some of the statements by this particular politician

I wonder if they costed the virus into their promise of lowering the pension age ??Less pensioners makes it viable.

embraer170

titan18 wrote: »

Surely the key is that the people who have health issues or bad immune systems should just lock themselves in doors for the virus length and the rest of us can live our lives like normal, if all it's going to be is a cold.

For this, we need states/local authorities to recommend this and for employers to implement measures to facilitate it (be it remote work or something else), and for school authorities to accept it.

That is certainly not the case where I am right now.

whisky_galore

tails_naf wrote: »

Ireland not making an effort is not due to a lack of funding. The official line was keeping flights to italy open, do feck all testing (only on people clearly ill), etc.

Giving more money to this shower won't help...

Its like firing money into a black hole without reforming the HSE, getting rid of the dead weight and incompetents.

Tacitus Kilgore

Keyzer wrote: »

I'm still trying to comprehend the level of stupidity required for a someone who, after returning to Ireland from an infected red zone area, thinks its a good to go to work.

In a hospital...

Surely even the smallest grain of common sense kicks in there and you decide to self isolate with your family.

I mean what level of stupid is that? Surely its off the richter scale for stupid.

Question - was it a red zone when they were there?

tillyfilly

European governments are using this virus as an opportunity to get rid of the elderly and infirm to fix the pensions time bomb and housing crisis scourge

PixelTrawler

embraer170 wrote: »

What large scale measures are European countries implementing?

Wuhan was put into lock down when China had less than 550 cases. We are far beyond that in Italy, Germany, France.

I had to look it up when you said that. Wow they really took very serious action after just 571 cases. Nothing like it being done in europe...

"At 2am on 23 January 2020, authorities issued a notice informing residents of Wuhan that from 10am, all public transport, including buses, railways, flights, and ferry services would be suspended. The Wuhan Airport, the Wuhan railway station, and the Wuhan metro were all closed. The residents of Wuhan were also not allowed to leave the city without permission from the authorities.[11][12] The notice caused an exodus from Wuhan. An estimated 300,000 people were reported to have left Wuhan by train alone before the 10am lockdown.[13] By the afternoon of 23 January, the authorities began shutting down some of the major highways leaving Wuhan.[14] The lockdown came two days before the Chinese New Year, the most important festival in the country, and traditionally the peak traveling season, when millions of Chinese travel across the country.[11][14]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Hubei_lockdowns

embraer170

Keyzer wrote: »

I'm still trying to comprehend the level of stupidity required for a someone who, after returning to Ireland from an infected red zone area, thinks its a good to go to work.

In a hospital...

Surely even the smallest grain of common sense kicks in there and you decide to self isolate with your family.

I mean what level of stupid is that? Surely its off the richter scale for stupid.

Of course the guy had no common sense, but he was probably just following his employer's guidelines (and may have been told off for not coming to work).

I don't work in the health system but I have countless colleagues from Northern Italy. The stupidity I am seeing is ridiculous.

Kermit.de.frog

embraer170 wrote: »

What large scale measures are European countries implementing?

Wuhan was put into lock down when China had less than 550 cases. We are far beyond that in Italy, Germany, France.

Something big is going to happen in terms of containment. I don't know where Germany will end today but we are probably looking at over 500 new cases for the day...catastrophic.

Germans will be demanding action and I think some severe travel and other restrictions may be put in place even before the end of the day.

We can't go on like this.

“We’re f-cked”
“Time to panic”
“Civilisation ending”
“Stockpiled until mid summer”

Stop been so hysterical folks.
Panic is the last thing we need.

um7y1h83ge06nx

It's a bad thing when I feel I can trust a social media site like Boards over RTE and the Department of Health.

Don't get me wrong there is some crap on this thread but when multiple posters and sources confirm details it's a good indicator that it is genuine.

bennyl10

RandomName2 wrote: »

No it will likely be millions (wordwide).



This is based on the 2% fatality rate that has been widely reported and seems very consistent.



The vast majority will recover.



Or you could just look at reporting.

They said hunderds of thousands would die in Ireland to clarify, which wont happen

even with a 2% fatality we wont reach near those figures here

This is form looking at reporting and the country graph which has held through so far

UsBus

Doctors room ghost wrote: »

Which poster said it’s in Craughwell and took down the post

Won't be long going around, a work colleague beside me here has the letter on a Whatsapp message. Why would the HSE only single out the sixth class pupils and not the whole school....? They are behaving very strangely with regards to containment..

titan18

embraer170 wrote: »

For this, we need states/local authorities to recommend this and for employers to implement measures to facilitate it (be it remote work or something else), and for school authorities to accept it.

That is certainly not the case where I am right now.

True. I have a slight stuffed nose today. But I also suffer some sinus issues anyway so is it coronavirus, a cold or just my sinuses being silly as usual. No idea, but I have an interview today so couldn't really stay out of work.

embraer170

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Something big is going to happen in terms of containment. I don't know where Germany will end today but we are probably looking at over 500 new cases for the day...catastrophic.

Germans will be demanding action and I think some severe travel and other restrictions may be put in place even before the end of the day.

We can't go on like this.

Where I am everyone is really calm about the whole thing.

The only messages I am seeing from the school my kids are in are about the obligation to attend (and consequences if they don't without a permission). That is in a school full of kids just back from a week of holidays.

Gods Gift

Must be an awful time for hypochondriacs.

Pseudonym121

screamer wrote: »

But following HSE guidelines at the time..which have since been updated... eye roll...... The solicitors will have a field day with this.

This is part of the problem. We are in a situation where a significant number of deaths, significant curtailment of personal freedoms and social life is inevitable and people are still thinking like it is September 2019. This is now far beyond our normal litigious reflexes. We need to focus on the simple basics and widespread voluntary self-isolation - supported by the government stepping in to cover pay for those who self isolate by legislation/public coffers.

embraer170

PixelTrawler wrote: »

I had to look it up when you said that. Wow they really took very serious action after just 571 cases. Nothing like it being done in europe...

"At 2am on 23 January 2020, authorities issued a notice informing residents of Wuhan that from 10am, all public transport, including buses, railways, flights, and ferry services would be suspended. The Wuhan Airport, the Wuhan railway station, and the Wuhan metro were all closed. The residents of Wuhan were also not allowed to leave the city without permission from the authorities.[11][12] The notice caused an exodus from Wuhan. An estimated 300,000 people were reported to have left Wuhan by train alone before the 10am lockdown.[13] By the afternoon of 23 January, the authorities began shutting down some of the major highways leaving Wuhan.[14] The lockdown came two days before the Chinese New Year, the most important festival in the country, and traditionally the peak traveling season, when millions of Chinese travel across the country.[11][14]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Hubei_lockdowns

Exactly, and that is what people don't get when they repeat the message that it is dying down in China so the same will happen here.

It is dying down in China because of early drastic measures.

In Europe, both the French and British are communicating that they believe this cannot be contained. I understand from sources that some local authorities in Germany are being told the same.

stephenjmcd

embraer170 wrote: »

Where I am everyone is really calm about the whole thing.

The only messages I am seeing from the school my kids are in are about the obligation to attend (and consequences if they don't without a permission). That is in a school full of kids just back from a week of holidays.

Germany seem quite well prepared and for the number of cases not 1 death registered

Kermit.de.frog

10 new cases in Austria this morning. Brings total to 51.

gmisk

Gods Gift wrote: »

Must be an awful time for hypochondriacs.

After this we are going to have a lot more hypochondriacs!

Cee-Jay-Cee

10000maniacs wrote: »

The doctor was probably a strapadictamy specialist. Not so much on best practices for virus containment. He should have had the good sense to get checked in Italy before he hopped on the plane.

And what's worse, he was coughing and spluttering while at work and had obvious symptoms yet never thought maybe that he had the virus and him a friggen doctor!!!

Ludo

Jessa Flaky Repayment wrote: »

It's a bad thing when I feel I can trust a social media site like Boards over RTE and the Department of Health.

Don't get me wrong there is some crap on this thread but when multiple posters and sources confirm details it's a good indicator that it is genuine.

Nope...it means it is an echo chamber feeding off itself.

VinLieger

bennyl10 wrote: »

They said hunderds of thousands would die in Ireland to clarify, which wont happen

even with a 2% fatality we wont reach near those figures here

This is form looking at reporting and the country graph which has held through so far

Thats assuming our health system doesnt get overwhelmed which if all we keep doing is useless contact tracing it deffinitely will