Coronavirus Part IV - 19 cases in ROI, 7 in NI (as of 7 March) *Read warnings in OP*

Drumpot

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

It’s bonkers. I honestly think some people are almost getting off on building hysteria.

Maybe, but my guess is most are just scared. This fear comes from lack of knowledge. I have been saying for weeks that the HSE should of had informative websites and conferences to dispel any bullsh*t from social media.

Heres a simple suggestions have a "just ask me anything" section in boards where only a verified doctor or medical person from the HSE can answer questions.

So for example "is it true that this is a mixture of HIV, SARS and Kryptonite ?"

Answer from HSE Boards: "There is no evidence that confirms this to be the case."

Or even have Q&A online at certain times of the day. Dr John does it and it answers alot of questions.

I presume the fear is that they actually dont have the answers to alot of questions yet and maybe looking like they dont know is a bigger concern. But even have a website of most asked questions and leave the answers for people to search for (like the press conference).

You cant tell people to stop being scared and panic leads to conspiracys and all sort of delusions. The best way to deal with it is to communicate a strong, clear message to the people and/or to answer their questions, one by one.

If Panic is going to be a problem then it is worth diverting a small amount of resources to manage it.

Pseudonym121

Wibbs wrote: »

Jesus jumpin christ. It is NOT a "combo of SARS/HIV". You are exhibiting a level of ignorance that is scary, though scarier because you have many equally ignorant bedfellows.

It really isn’t a combination of those two. That was a scientist/medics phraseology to get a point across without realising how the general public would react to that.

This is COVID19 which is its own thing. It is a sibling of SARS as they are both coronaviruses but the HIV linkage is unfortunate and conveys connections etc which aren’t supported by the evidence.

SafeSurfer

Wibbs wrote: »

Reading through this thread there's the very real feeling of some actually getting off on the hysteria, with a few pullin the skeleton outa themselves over it. It's like their lives are so fcuking boring that any excitement ramps them up and this "plague" is a beaut for it. Then again remember when that Garth Brookes fella cancelled his gigs here? Boards went nuts for a while over that non event. The Mob in full flow.

I think a lot of people would welcome any escape from the mundane grind of daily life. Even if that escape means a global apocalypse.

Tacitus Kilgore

I heard coronavirus makes you arse fall off

gabeeg

TomSweeney wrote: »

Lads I'm in Spain with 282 cases and 3 deaths, 7 critical ... Ireland has 13, 0 deaths , 0 critical - relax !!!

We have as many cases as Spain did nine days ago.
Spain have as many cases as Italy did nine days ago.

It's not very relaxing for anyone

Funsterdelux

Snow Garden wrote: »

Son of God?

MY God?

Bishop Brennan: What other gods are there Father?
Fr Ted: False gods?

timmyntc

seamus wrote: »

Allegedly. There was nobody onboard actually enforcing or monitoring the quarantine, no specialists involved guiding the response.
There was considerable criticism about the lack of any segregation between clean and unclean parts of the ship.
I'd say plenty of passengers voluntarily stayed in their rooms, but nobody was forcing it.

Yes but the fact that there was routine monitoring of all guests and those who tested positive/showed symptoms would have been removed to hospital fairly quick meant that the amount of exposure everyone else on the ship got would have been much lower. Remove the sickest as their symptoms develop and naturally they wont be able to spread as much of the virus around.

SeaBreezes

SeaBreezes wrote: »

Yes, it is.
hinese doctors say autopsies of coronavirus victims suggest the deadly illness is “like a combination of SARS and AIDS” that can cause “irreversible” lung damage even if the patient recovers.

I don't really know what to say to you.... but did you know humans share 50% of their genes with bananas? So really we are banana humans.

Babooshka

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

https://www.thejournal.ie/coronavirus-travel-5032358-Mar2020/

Speaking earlier Simon Harris said "Ah b@ll@x to it now, we've let so many in there's no point closing off flights, sure f@ck it, you don't even like us anyway, we're not in charge any more"....

MOR316

Wibbs wrote: »

Reading through this thread there's the very real feeling of some actually getting off on the hysteria, with a few pullin the skeleton outa themselves over it. It's like their lives are so fcuking boring that any excitement ramps them up and this "plague" is a beaut for it. Then again remember when that Garth Brookes fella cancelled his gigs here? Boards went nuts for a while over that non event. The Mob in full flow.

Boards went nuts? BOARDS WENT NUTS?? :eek::eek::eek:

People are still talking about that to this day! I have never experienced such hysteria in all my life. The entire country, outside of Dublin, I felt were going to go to war over that.

"I will swim over if I have to"
Alright mate, off you pop.

seamus

As if it hasn't been said enough already; if you're taking your information about this from Facebook, Twitter, WhatsApp, etc, then just stop.

People do just make sh1t up. People do panic and spread that panic. In fact, as animals we are prewired to be triggered by other peoples' panic, hence why panic spreads quickly. Think about a herd of deer all suddenly bolting - this starts because one deer got startled, and the rest then follow their lead. Because in evolutionary terms you're better off panicking when there's no lion, than ignoring the panic and getting eaten by the lion.

My wife got a forwarded whatsapp yesterday claiming that the irish medicines board had issued a restriction on the sale of Calpol only to sick children.

People. Literally. Just. Make. Sh1t. Up.

If the information is not coming from the WHO, HSE or another national authority, then consider it bullsh1t until you independently verify it.

Babooshka

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

I heard coronavirus makes you arse fall off

...you have an arse? You posh fecker.

ArchXStanton

Irish man on the loose down in India..

https://www.rt.com/news/482456-india-irishman-escape-coronavirus/

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

SeaBreezes wrote: »

Yes, it is.
Chinese doctors say autopsies of coronavirus victims suggest the deadly illness is “like a combination of SARS and AIDS” that can cause “irreversible” lung damage even if the patient recovers.

Erm, two viruses causing some similar symptoms doesn’t make them related. You’re being very irresponsible here.

Kermit.de.frog

MadYaker wrote: »

I never said it was all twitter bullsh!t, I said it was mostly bullsh!t from twitter.

No quotes?

Nothing?

What's your issue then? Most Twitter related links (from me anyway) have been from BNO which is a perfectly legitimate factual and accurate source and as far from sensationalist as you can get.

You are reading what you want to read in my opinion.

MOR316

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

I heard coronavirus makes you arse fall off

And when you cough, it sounds like Liam Neeson chasing a load of chickens around in a barrel

starbaby2003

Pseudonym121 wrote: »

It really isn’t a combination of those two. That was a scientist/medics phraseology to get a point across without realising how the general public would react to that.

This is COVID19 which is its own thing. It is a sibling of SARS as they are both coronaviruses but the HIV linkage is unfortunate and conveys connections etc which aren’t supported by the evidence.

Again why only people able to read medical literature should be allowed relay it in lay terms.

odyssey06

Pseudonym121 wrote: »

That’s a bit excessive. Even if we had the reasonable worst case scenario of 50k dead we wouldn’t be done and we are likely to have significantly less than that. I still think it is most likely to be between 1000 to 2000 dead in Ireland over the next 12 months with an upper moderate case bound of 5000 as 50k is what happens if steps governments and health authorities take really don’t work.
The more we handwashing, the more people are proactive in self isolating etc etc the more that upper bound is unlikely to be realised.
5,000 dead will be sad and personal tragedies to a lot of families but it will not render the state dysfunctional in either the short or long term. Even 50,000 won’t do that. So this is serious but not an existential threat to society.

Not suggesting total dysfunction\existential threat but this worst case scenario from the UK does suggest considerable strain on the state's ability to function:

https://fortune.com/2020/03/03/u-k-warns-companies-that-20-percent-of-workforce-could-be-out-as-coronavirus-cases-rise/
British businesses were warned as many as 20% of their workers could be forced to take time off during peak periods of infection if the U.K. is hit by a widespread outbreak of coronavirus.
As the number of confirmed infections in the U.K. rose to 51, the government published its plan for dealing with the disease. It included an estimate that in a worst-case, a fifth of the workforce — more than 6 million people — could be absent.
This would have knock-on effects, as others would be forced to take time off to care for those who are ill, or to look after children if schools are closed. Such a peak period of infection would be likely to last around three weeks, the government said.

cherryghost

seamus wrote: »

As if it hasn't been said enough already; if you're taking your information about this from Facebook, Twitter, WhatsApp, etc, then just stop.

People do just make sh1t up. People do panic and spread that panic. In fact, as animals we are prewired to be triggered by other peoples' panic, hence why panic spreads quickly. Think about a herd of deer all suddenly bolting - this starts because one deer got startled, and the rest then follow their lead. Because in evolutionary terms you're better off panicking when there's no lion, than ignoring the panic and getting eaten by the lion.

My wife got a forwarded whatsapp yesterday claiming that the irish medicines board had issued a restriction on the sale of Calpol only to sick children.

People. Literally. Just. Make. Sh1t. Up.

If the information is not coming from the WHO, HSE or another national authority, then consider it bullsh1t until you independently verify it.

This should be liked and shared across all social media

ArmaniJeanss

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

You clearly don't understand the gravity of the situation if you think there is fear mongering here.

Where is the fear mongering?

We are facing a serious situation. There is no getting around that and honest commentary is only fear mongering to a generation whose biggest concern until now has probably been what to wear to a party.

Fear mongering?

Give me a break.

stuff like this tbh

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

This. We develop an outbreak like Italy here and the country is done.

Simple as that.

Gods Gift

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

I heard coronavirus makes you arse fall off

That’s Delhi belly.

Ninthlife

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

I heard coronavirus makes you arse fall off

That would be a real bummer

tobefrank321

I highly doubt that if you banned flights from Northern Italy, Italian rugby fans would make alternative travel arrangements to a match that still doesn't exist.

Ban the flights and compensate the Italian travellers.

Its madness to allow hundreds of people come from a highly infected region. In other words, Simon Harris not for the first time is clueless and out of his depth.

Each flight from Italy has the potential to infect numerous people on the flight and on the ground.

gabeeg

Pseudonym121 wrote: »

That’s a bit excessive. Even if we had the reasonable worst case scenario of 50k dead we wouldn’t be done and we are likely to have significantly less than that. I still think it is most likely to be between 1000 to 2000 dead in Ireland over the next 12 months with an upper moderate case bound of 5000 as 50k is what happens if steps governments and health authorities take really don’t work.

The more we handwashing, the more people are proactive in self isolating etc etc the more that upper bound is unlikely to be realised.

5,000 dead will be sad and personal tragedies to a lot of families but it will not render the state dysfunctional in either the short or long term. Even 50,000 won’t do that. So this is serious but not an existential threat to society.

This is also a massive global recession, a banking crisis, an unemployment crisis and much more besides.

I'm not saying we're done - but this is going to be an enormous challenge

circadian

SeaBreezes wrote: »

You know this virus is not flu, right?

Its a combo of SARS/HIV.

This has to be one of the stupidest things I've seen on here.

Humans share 96% of their DNA with Chimpanzees. We're both hominins, closely related.

SARS-CoV-2 is an RNA virus, just like HIV. RNA viruses are going to share genome patterns, they're single stranded and while they can form complex 3D shapes, there is a high probability of patterns at different parts of the genome appearing to be similar to other viruses.


Christ on a bike.

Kermit.de.frog

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

stuff like this tbh

It's true.

If we had an outbreak like that we would require the type of outside assistance that would effectively end the sovereignty of the country.

We don't have the capacity to deal with what is going on on the continent.

There is no argument to be had here. We just don't. The health system would collapse.

Pseudonym121

SeaBreezes wrote: »

Yes, it is.
Chinese doctors say autopsies of coronavirus victims suggest the deadly illness is “like a combination of SARS and AIDS” that can cause “irreversible” lung damage even if the patient recovers.

The grim finding was reported on by Communist Party mouthpiece the Global Times on Friday, after a paper by Wuhan doctors published in the Journal of Forensic Medicine earlier in the week went viral on Chinese social media.

“The influence of COVID-19 on the human body is like a combination of SARS and AIDS as it damages both the lungs and immune systems,” Peng Zhiyong, director of the intensive care unit of the Zhongnan Hospital of Wuhan University in Wuhan, told the Global Times.

Dr Peng was commenting on the paper by Liu Liang, a forensic specialist from the Tongji Medical College at Huazhong University of Science and Technology, whose team had conducted nine autopsies of coronavirus patients as of February 24.

“The autopsy results Liu shared inspired me a lot. Based on the results, I think the most important thing now is to take measures at an early stage of the disease to protect patients’ lungs from irreversible fibrosis,” Dr Peng told the outlet.

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/chinese-doctors-say-coronavirus-like-a-combination-of-sars-and-aids-can-cause-irreversible-lung-damage/news-story/f58f19c5eeae99b845c54e2d2b9305ca



Latest coronavirus research by a team of researchers from Nankai University in Tianjin lead by Professor Ruan Jishou, a prominent virologists and genomicist have discovered that the new SARS-Cov-2 coronavirus that causes the Covid-19 disease has a mutated gene that is found in HIV virus. It is this unique feature that sets it aside from the rest of the known coronaviruses.
The study is published this week on Chinaxiv.org, a platform used by the Chinese Academy of Sciences to release scientific research papers before they have been peer-reviewed .( http://www.chinaxiv.org/abs/202002.00082)

These findings have huge implications on the potency of the coronavirus and also what it can cause in humans, not just the Covid-19 disease. Furthermore, the Covid-19 disease should never be compared to like the common cold or influenza virus as this new coronavirus is in a separate league of its own.

Though it has not been peer reviewed, two other studies including one in Europe has confirmed the findings.

The combined findings from the three studies indicates that because of the HIV-like mutations, its ability to bind with human cells could be as much as 1,000 times more potent that the initial SARS virus of 2003.

The findings also indicate that the new SARS-CoV-2 has a ‘dual attack’ approach of binding to human cells.

The first is via the ACE2 receptors found on human cell membranes and it’s a typical mode of most coronaviruses. (The new SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus has a plus 80 percent genomic matching to the previous SARS virus, hence it explains this property that it possesses)

However it must be noted that the ACE2 protein does not occur in large quantities in healthy people, and this partly helped to limit the scale of the SARS outbreak of 2002/2003 which infected close to 8,000 people globally.

As the findings of the new study indicates that the new SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus has a mutated gene similarly found on the HIV virus, it is also able to attack human cells via the target called furin, which is an enzyme that works as a protein activator in the human body. Typically many proteins are inactive or dormant when they are produced and have to be “cut” at specific points to activate their various functions which furin does in the human cellular pathways.

Professor Ruan Jishou and his team at Nankai University in Tianjin discovered this new property of the SARS-CoV-2 when they were doing genome sequencing of the new coronavirus found a section of mutated genes that did not exist in the original SARS virus, but were similar to those found in HIV.

Professor Ruan Jishou told Thailand Medical News via a phone interview, “This finding suggests that 2019-nCoV coronavirus may be significantly different from the SARS coronavirus in the infection pathway and has the added potency of using the packing mechanisms of other viruses such as HIV.”
Another research conducted also this month, by Professor Li Hua , another prominent virologist and genetic specialists, and his team from Huazhong University of Science and Technology in Wuhan, Hubei province, also confirmed Professor Ruan’s findings. http://www.chinaxiv.org/abs/202002.00062

The study indicated that the HIV-like gene found on the new SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus was not detected on any of the other coronaviruses including the MERS, original SARS and even the Bat-CoVRaTG13, a bat coronavirus that was considered the original source of the new coronavirus with 96 per cent similarity in genes.

Professor Li told Thailand Medical News,” This is maybe why the SARS-CoV-2 is more infectious than the other known coronaviruses.”
A European a study by French scientist professor Dr Etienne Decroly at Aix-Marseille University in France, which was published in the scientific journal Antiviral Research , also found a “furin-like cleavage site” that is absent in similar coronaviruses, thus confirming the initial findings as well. (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/32057769)


https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/breaking-latestcoronavirus-research-reveals-that-the-virus-has-mutated-gene-similar-to-hiv-and-is-1,000-times-more-potent-

With all due respect it simply is NOT like HIV in the sense that you are picking that up.

You and I have a multitude of genes in our DNA genome which are also found in mice. That doesn’t make us mice.

You simply need to accept that they were trying to communicate something about severity and mode of action and didn’t think through how that would be perceived by non-clinicians in the Western world.

COVID19 is NOT like HIV or AIDS in the sense people seem to be fearing and saying it has a gene found in HIV is not at all unsurprising. It also doesn’t mean very much - certainly not in the way some people are inferring.

Wibbs

seamus wrote: »

My wife got a forwarded whatsapp yesterday claiming that the irish medicines board had issued a restriction on the sale of Calpol only to sick children.

People. Literally. Just. Make. Sh1t. Up.

If the information is not coming from the WHO, HSE or another national authority, then consider it bullsh1t until you independently verify it.

+1000 and even those organisations are back and forth because we're still in the middle of this thing. Though sad to say with our HSE I'd be looking more to international organisations for guidance. The HSE and the politicians behind them have proven over the years to be at best reactive rather than proactive. Piss up in a brewery springs to mind. Though the HSE at its very worst is a far far better source than Mary on Facebook, who likes interior design, crystals and coffee enemas.

micar

GM228 wrote: »

First case reported in the Vatican, I guess there is no divine intervention afterall.

The pope has declared "who ever cures the person without medical intervention will be beatified"

MadYaker

seamus wrote: »

As if it hasn't been said enough already; if you're taking your information about this from Facebook, Twitter, WhatsApp, etc, then just stop.

People do just make sh1t up. People do panic and spread that panic. In fact, as animals we are prewired to be triggered by other peoples' panic, hence why panic spreads quickly. Think about a herd of deer all suddenly bolting - this starts because one deer got startled, and the rest then follow their lead. Because in evolutionary terms you're better off panicking when there's no lion, than ignoring the panic and getting eaten by the lion.

My wife got a forwarded whatsapp yesterday claiming that the irish medicines board had issued a restriction on the sale of Calpol only to sick children.

People. Literally. Just. Make. Sh1t. Up.

If the information is not coming from the WHO, HSE or another national authority, then consider it bullsh1t until you independently verify it.

Part of the problem as well is that a lot of people aren't smart enough to tell the difference between good info from good sources and total BS. This becomes a problem when the likes of twitter, facebook and snapchat are constantly bombarding these people with new information. It's inevitably going to cause panick as people are shocked by what they are reading or seeing and start sharing it around. There was multiple examples of it in the first thread. People regurgitating nonsense videos that could be from literally anywhere as if it was somehow reliable info, or believing crazy nonsense due to lack of knowledge on viruses and science in general. The whole thing has made me feel like society is getting dumber by the day.