Coronavirus Part IV - 19 cases in ROI, 7 in NI (as of 7 March) *Read warnings in OP*

Tacitus Kilgore

MadYaker wrote: »

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

So, you've downgraded from us becoming a mad-max style post apocalyptic wasteland to requiring outside assistance to the health system? What's this about sovereignty????




Stop trying to rise panic dude, you have a lot of folks ears, stop being irresponsible.

Is he a politician? I thought he was just a random poster on boards.

He is, but has a fair few fans!

Beta Ray Bill

banie01 wrote: »

It speaks to that most glaring of absences from our Public Service and Political masters.

That of accountability.
It's far too late now for any gain to be made in stopping the flights.
But...
When a virus is spreading, when containment is the stated Government strategy.
Allowing unrestricted travel too and from known high risk areas?
Not restricting mass gatherings?

Are not means to contain anything.
Containment for any future incident must include precluding all but absolutely necessary travel.

The globalisation of our economy and leisure means that we take travel for granted.
If we look back at the history of virulent outbreak and it's spread.
We are at a point where in a matter of days spread can be worldwide, versus the old model of westward travel along trade and shipping routes.

This kind of spread can only really be interdicted by firm action. Close entry points and quarantine. It's far easier to apologize for a delayed entry than it is to try recover from a pandemic situation that could have been at least mitigated.

While I understand the logic of what you are saying, in practice it's completely impossible.

There is nothing to stop people from Northern Italy travelling to France, Austria, Slovenia, Croatia etc and getting a flight from there.

You'd be talking about stopping all flights into Ireland.
We are an Island Nation, so this is 100% not possible.

If you damage the economy enough, people will also die.
People died as a result of the 2008 crash.

So you're damned if you do and damned if you don't.

The least worst option is the method to follow, and that is what has been done.
I tend not to pay to much attention to so called "Experts" that have spent most of their adult lives "working" in an educational institution

Wibbs

solidasarock wrote: »

The virus makes your willy small.

Thank christ, I'm free of the illness. Time to go out and lick random people on the eyeballs.

Kermit.de.frog

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

So, you've downgraded from us becoming a mad-max style post apocalyptic wasteland

Some are reading what they want to see - not what is in text. I never typed any such thing.

I'm being realistic but if people want to put their heads in the sand then more power to them.

I'm not going to stop being realistic about the situation.

Nonoperational

SleetAndSnow wrote: »

My only fear really is that your man in cork had it last week so he got it two weeks before that off somebody else who could have passed it onto countless amounts of other people and the HSE don’t really seem all the conferences saying it’s the only community case? There has to be others so cork could easily have a lot of cases now. That or the HSE knows exactly what’s going on but they are keeping stuff and trying not to cause panic, which in my opinion is wrong. Steps need to be taken just Incase. I’d say if there’s a few more community cases in Cork tonight or tomorrow we could see some steps being taken but also maybe not because it’s the HSE

The flip side of that is if there are loads of community cases they are mild enough that these people didn’t go to hospital.

Elmer Blooker

3420 posts before this one and this is the first to mention 'Aussie flu' which was an epidemic two years ago but for some very strange reason got very little media coverage compared to this one? Something is not adding up?
Everyone it seems got the 'aussie' flu, I got it and I remember it was a case of who didn't get it!

the butcher

Straffan1979 wrote: »

Whats going to make this worse is hype,fear and anxiety- the mental health effects from threads like this will have much greater far reaching consequences than this virus and may well catapult us into recession if people don’t get a grip- this phenomenon is well studied internationally.

Nope. If you have been paying attention the last few years, we've been building towards a recession. You can't expect no blowback from years of low interest rates and QE, money being printed out the ying yang.

2019 was akin to 2007. 2020 was shaping up to be like 2008 but this coronavirus event has changed the course of everything, it's a huge trigger for a recession.

And recession was going to happen REGARDLESS of a boards thread with a dozen of so posters telling people to prepare. I'm not panicked, I'm prepared. If you have people in your life in the high risk categories you'd be prepared too.

We had the same dopes in 2006/2007 telling us not to be "doom mongers" well look what happened? And we are still dealing with the fallout from 2008 and the property bubble, many lives gone, emigrated and STILL destroyed from it. This is a totally different event that can change the landscape of this country and many others worldwide.

And yes this has been well studied -> http://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/about

We don't do too well in simulations.

So actually, shut up if you've nothing of value to add to this thread.

piplip87

"If in the right conditions virus can survive for a matter of days on surfaces. Chinese have burned money as a precaution". - Epidemic investigator CNN Town hall meeting.

Humberto Salazar

solidasarock wrote: »

The virus makes your willy small.

I read this this comment out to the wife. She smirked wryly. 🀔

Drumpot

Good show on Radio 1 , missed the name of the specialist but good discussion on it.

She says we need to

- Increased monitoring and testing
- Increase social distancing (sounds like shut down)
- Self isolation when people return from anywhere in the world

How we react now could determine how bad it ends up. I really think a significant shutdown is coming.

Its all about slowing it down now.

Again, the authorities need to start communicating better. Setup forums for people to ask questions (whether website or live play) to help reduce panic. The Next 3 months are going to be tough, but most of us will be fine, so our authorities need to let people know that they are being heard, answer their questions/concerns. Do not keep telling them to stay away from social media because its too late to close the stable door on that, so setup your own social media platforms to engage people who use these mediums.

Tacitus Kilgore

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

WHAT ARE WE DONE WITH KERMIT?


Done like - completed it mate? or done like - thunderdome done?

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The latter sadly.

We simply don't have the health infrastructure to deal with anything like an Italy or South Korea sadly. We just don't.

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

It's true.

If we had an outbreak like that we would require the type of outside assistance that would effectively end the sovereignty of the country.

We don't have the capacity to deal with what is going on on the continent.

There is no argument to be had here. We just don't. The health system would collapse.

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Some are reading what they want to see - not what is in text. I never typed any such thing.

I'm being realistic but if people want to put their heads in the sand then more power to them.

I'm not going to stop being realistic about the situation.

You are not being remotely realistic

Kermit.de.frog

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1235862053635543043

CIARAN_BOYLE

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

3420 posts before this one and this is the first to mention 'Aussie flu' which was an epidemic two years ago but for some very strange reason got very little media coverage compared to this one? Something is not adding up?
Everyone it seems got the 'aussie' flu, I got it and I remember it was a case of who didn't get it!

Aussie flu was i believe a pretty normal seasonal influenza that was worse because it wasn't in the vaccine.

It wasnt anything compared to this

KWAG2019

Glad to see local committees making decisions early on Parades. It’s quite clear that the National Committee has its playbook and is proceeding with it; time will tell if events have got ahead of it.

I hope more clubs committees and individuals will reach the sensible decision to slow down the spread of it by canceling events and avoiding crowd gatherings.

Kermit.de.frog

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

You are not being remotely realistic

If you believe we could cope with what even the Netherlands is dealing with in terms of Coronavirus you are completely deluded.

I will leave it at that.

FishOnABike

caveat emptor wrote: »

This has since been updated and the number of people in intensive care in Lombardy alone is 243 which is roughly equal to our total ICU capacity.

Don't panic, nothing to see here.

To put it in context Lombardy's population is slightly more than twice that of Ireland so proportionately we have twice the ICU capacity and are adding to it.

jarvis

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

3420 posts before this one and this is the first to mention 'Aussie flu' which was an epidemic two years ago but for some very strange reason got very little media coverage compared to this one? Something is not adding up?
Everyone it seems got the 'aussie' flu, I got it and I remember it was a case of who didn't get it!

You’re dead right. And remember blue flu where the Gardaí called in sick. Nobody has mentioned that!!!
Maybe it’s because it doesn’t compare?

stephenjmcd

Drumpot wrote: »

Good show on Radio 1 , missed the name of the specialist but good discussion on it.

She says we need to

- Increased monitoring and testing
- Increase social distancing (sounds like shut down)
- Self isolation when people return from anywhere in the world

How we react now could determine how bad it ends up. I really think a significant shutdown is coming.

Its all about slowing it down now.

Again, the authorities need to start communicating better. Setup forums for people to ask questions (whether website or live play) to help reduce panic. The Next 3 months are going to be tough, but most of us will be fine, so our authorities need to let people know that they are being heard, answer their questions/concerns. Do not keep telling them to stay away from social media because its too late to close the stable door on that, so setup your own social media platforms to engage people who use these mediums.

Highly doubt a shutdown is coming being perfectly honest

Tacitus Kilgore

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

If you believe we could cope with what even the Netherlands is dealing with in terms of Coronavirus you are completely deluded.

I will leave it at that.

If you think the country is going to fall apart at the seams - even if we do get a full belt of it you are completely deluded.


I won't leave it at that, I'm going to continue to call out ridiculousness as and when I can

tobefrank321

Beta Ray Bill wrote: »

While I understand the logic of what you are saying, in practice it's completely impossible.

There is nothing to stop people from Northern Italy travelling to France, Austria, Slovenia, Croatia etc and getting a flight from there.

You'd be talking about stopping all flights into Ireland.
We are an Island Nation, so this is 100% not possible.

If you damage the economy enough, people will also die.
People died as a result of the 2008 crash.

So you're damned if you do and damned if you don't.

The least worst option is the method to follow, and that is what has been done.
I tend not to pay to much attention to so called "Experts" that have spent most of their adult lives "working" in an educational institution

Nothing at all, but there is a big difference from hopping on a 19.99 flight down the road and having to travel 500 miles to another airport to get a flight. The point about containment and delay is making it difficult for people to travel from infected regions. The Chinese have done it really well. Personally I think only a Hubei style isolation of most of Northern Italy is going to solve this. If the Chinese can isolate a province of 50 million, it shouldn't be too hard to do the same in Northern Italy. Its proven to work.

The EU need to take leadership.

Cork Boy 53

MD1990 wrote: »

suprised the football leagues in France,Spain & Italy are still playing with fans this weekend.

Italy put many Serie A games behind closed doors even at a similar point

By order of the Italian government no sporting events in the country will be allowed to have any spectators present until at least 3rd April.

Kermit.de.frog

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

If you think the country is going to fall apart at the seams - even if we do get a full belt of it you are completely deluded.


I won't leave it at that, I'm going to continue to call out ridiculousness as and when I can

You're crazy.

I did not say it will happen - my premise is it "might" - something you seem to have missed.

MarkY91

Has anyone noticed any changes in habits from others or strangers?

The only one I personally noticed so far is that after our indoor football games, nobody seems to be shaking hands anymore. But that was becoming less common even before the virus reached Europe anyway.

Maybe another one I'm actually noticing now that may have always being going on is people coughing into their upper arm.

Duke of Url

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1235862053635543043

OH SH!TE!

NOT CAMEROON AND SERBIA TOO!!!!!!!!!!!!

sudzs

How long before there's a test for antibodies?

blanch152

piplip87 wrote: »

"If in the right conditions virus can survive for a matter of days on surfaces. Chinese have burned money as a precaution". - Epidemic investigator CNN Town hall meeting.

If anyone wants their money burned, please PM me and I will arrange to collect your money from your bunker/isolation chamber/hospital bed and dispose of it appropriately.

MadYaker

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

You're crazy.

I did not say it will happen - my premise is it "might" - something you seem to have missed.

Moving the goalposts, nice. Your tone has been quite assertive and certain throughout the thread. We could cope with what the dutch are dealing with, italy not so much. But as things currently stand its just not logical to predict that it'll get that bad.

Tacitus Kilgore

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

You're crazy.

I did not say it will happen - my premise is it "might" - something you seem to have missed.

Sure an asteroid might hit us overnight and end it all,

Or god might be real and come and kill us all for being heathens,

Or swarms of super aids infested locusts might take over the world and kill us all,


I now see your logic, and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

eeepaulo

Humberto Salazar wrote: »

I read this this comment out to the wife. She smirked wryly. ��

megabomberman

The US response to this is simply the worst, many states still don't have testing equipment and the primary campaigns are rolling about the country. Other than lads not going licking the same wall they aren't exactly miles off from the Iranians.