Coronavirus Part IV - 19 cases in ROI, 7 in NI (as of 7 March) *Read warnings in OP*

circadian

Whilst hindsight is a wonderful thing, and regardless of EU law, all transit into the country should have been restricted weeks ago. Essential travel like cargo and supplies allowed in. Any citizens returning allowed in on the provision of self isolation and testing, and safe transport arranged to get them home to reduce spread on public transport. Everyone else not residing here refused unless having a good reason for entry.

These would have been the most hardline actions taken, and most likely would not have stopped it from reaching here, but they would have at the very least reduced the spread significantly. It really does appear that most of the EU have no idea how to prevent cross border spread and it's just running away putting pressure on health services within the entire bloc.

I'm a fan of free movement, the Schengen area and the EU in general. However, there really should be emergency powers included to prevent things like this from happening. The economic impact of a controlled shutdown will always be better than the economic impact of an uncontrolled shutdown.

MadYaker

Deleted User wrote: »

And where would the legally detained psychiatric patients go? Psych nurses aren't trained to give IVs etc. as well

Nowhere? He didn't say empty out the psych wards entirely

caveat emptor

Panrich wrote: »

No the first column translates as 'Recovered with symptoms' which means that they are still positive on tests but are to all intents recovered.

No it doesn't . Means hospitalised with symptoms.
DIMESSI
GUARITI means healed.

Hence not included in the 1777 total.

Breakdown is hospitalised, intensive care and domestic isolation. giving total actually positive.

The red and green = cases concluded . green = alive. red = dead/

blanch152

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

It only takes a cluster and then human to human infection and you have a crisis.

Italy with a superior health system couldn't stop it. They are in crisis.

How would the Irish people feel if there was 500 cases here in one day?

That could happen unless we take action now to prevent it.

Even if we do it can still happen.

Does Italy have a superior health system?

I wouldn't be certain of that.

ArchXStanton

thebaz wrote: »

Thought as much, EU law seams moire imprtant that containg the outbreak - North Italy has a serious outbreak , and most of the cases in rest of Eurpoe , can be traced to Italy - but keep the planes coming in , while preaching self-isolation/closing schools / wrecking the econmy etc just to satisfy EU law - Everyone is preaching the public to be vigilant , and yet we keep planes flying from area of high risk - This weekend with all the Italian rugby fans , who mainly come from North Italy is beyond ricdicous - bureacracy at its worst- would you stay in a hotel in Dublin city this weeked - given what happened in Canaries ?

This will shine out when we look back at this mess, why travel wasn't halted and slowed the spread, most cases in European countries originated from Italy, governments and the EU need to be held to account... Good luck with that from an organisation that's been designed to be unaccountable

runawaybishop

thebaz wrote: »

So why not stop flights from Italy , bar emergencies , it is crazy to have a bunch of tourists from the epi-centre flying into Dublin this weekend if Covid19 is as contagious and serious as we are being told - hotels/bars/public transport to be avoided this weekend in Dublin.

Because WHO recommends quarantine for people with symptoms. What are you gonna do, realistically, ban all flights onto the island?

endainoz

kermit.de.tool wrote: »

Here to counter panic and misinformation. Let’s fight this thing together and fight the need for infection cheerleading and doomsday porn.

Nice new account you have there

amadangomor

Deleted User wrote: »

Panic is a strong sensation of fear which prevents logical thinking.

Expecting this situation to get very bad is not panic. It's a logical deduction based on the facts available.

Buying toilet roil is panic because it's a non-essential; it's a recent invention and we survived for hundreds of thousands of years without it.

Buying actual essentials is not panic ; it's logical.

Your example is not great.

Buying enough toilet roll for a couple of weeks is logical. Buying enough to last a year or so is not. Also arguably the greatest invention is the modern sewerage system so we no longer live in our own ****.

Toilet roll is a part of that system and we would be a lot unhealthier without it.

banie01

drunkmonkey wrote: »

You do know the person in intensive care in cork is your age. The stats might say it only kills the old, there stats though it doesn't mean you get a free pass.

With other serious underlying health issues.
Age is a factor, but so is the health of an infected person.

Drumpot

drunkmonkey wrote: »

You do know the person in intensive care in cork is your age. The stats might say it only kills the old, there stats though it doesn't mean you get a free pass.

And there have been reported cases of healthy middle aged adults dieing for unexplainable reasons (Dr Bruce Aylward recent Channel 4 interview). Statistically speaking younger people’s chances are much lower but not zero.

Kermit.de.frog

tobefrank321 wrote: »

It would massively reduce the number of people travelling to and from a highly infected area where a very virulent virus is now pretty much endemic.

Do you accept that reducing air travel would at least give us some chance of containing this?

Give that something like 12 out of our 13 cases are directly related to likely cheap and easily available travel to northern Italy?

Bans on travel to China were brought in months ago and thankfully that has led to a drop in cases internationally linked to China.

The Coronavirus just loves the free movement of people and depends on it. And so its perfectly made for a largely unchecked spread across modern Europe.

I agree with all of that. Already said.

RocketRaccoon

OK I'm due to work today with someone who was at that Blindboy gig thing. Is there any solid links anywhere about possible exposure at it?

mlem123

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/irishman-suspected-coronavirus-escapes-isolation-21644227

What an idiot. Gives us a bad name

the butcher

Duke of Url wrote: »

Are all confirmed cases in Ireland in being Quarantined in Hospital?

Dr Tony Holohan actually wouldn't even comment on that in the press meeting yesterday.

iguana

iguana wrote: »

I'm 41 but far fitter and healthier than I was through my 30s. I have very little worry for me. There is even a part of me that thinks if I get it early, I'll likely recover very well and then almost certainly be immune for at least a few years. But I have plenty of close family who are much higher risk and I want to protect them and I want our society to protect them. What fuçking good are as a people we if we can't protect our weakest members. In this kind of situation you have to be 50% selfish - 50% selfless. We need to slow the spread because it's not just about me and other healthy people.

Spot on. I'm in the same boat (albeit in my 20s). Not worried about myself but worried about the great number of people out there that wouldn't fair so well.

All this "If you're in x,y or z age bracket, don't worry, just go about life as normal."

What a load of cobblers. How could I possibly do that when I come into contact with compromised people purely by being a member of society.

caveat emptor

Panrich wrote: »

Can you show where Recoverati con sintomi means recovering in hospital? It means recovering with symptoms. That is a huge difference.

EDIT: Actually 'recovered with symptoms'

I have family in Italy and can speak Italian. You could just use google translate.

2ndcoming

drunkmonkey wrote: »

You do know the person in intensive care in cork is your age. The stats might say it only kills the old, there stats though it doesn't mean you get a free pass.

We also know nothing about this person. He may well have an existing illness. The vast majority of people wouldn't spend two days waiting in A&E with a flu if they didn't.

DrumSteve

Drumpot wrote: »

And there have been reported cases of healthy middle aged adults dieing for unexplainable reasons (Dr Bruce Aylward recent Channel 4 interview). Statistically speaking younger people’s chances are much lower but not zero.

From memory, the reason they died was due to incorrect treatments being applied (too many corticosteroids I think it was)

thebaz

runawaybishop wrote: »

Because WHO recommends quarantine for people with symptoms. What are you gonna do, realistically, ban all flights onto the island?

no ban flights from epi-center, which seams to be North Italy right now- keep emergency flights , but ban flights for tourists , like the majority that are coming this weekemd - That is if we want really contain the virus , and be vigilent as we are being told.

Pseudonym121

piplip87 wrote: »

Would there be a case made for moving some day treatments that currently occur under nurses supervision to primary care centres under nurses supervision with GPs on call just incase ?

I am thinking about immunological suppression treatments such as the ones used for MS ?

You’d see all of that sort of thing and you’d also see efforts made to teach people self-cannulatoon and administration. You’d could also just see them cancelled as primary care centres could be overwhelmed too / have lots of staff off.

If things get bad then a lot of people will begin to learn the difference between what’s essential and what’s not in times of crisis.

In a time where some people have something which can kill them in a week and others have things which won’t kill them for a year or two resources will be concentrated to save lives over the next week.

That is entirely appropriate. The best thing you can do is handwashing and socially isolate and do your best to prevent that scenario happening. That’s the best way to preserve enough people to provide enough frontline care and have enough beds to treat all those ( COVID19 and others) who need it.

Ficheall

GM228 wrote: »

First case reported in the Vatican, I guess there is no divine intervention afterall.

The guy could have been planning to assassinate the Pope. The Lord works in mysterious, albeit perhaps inefficient ways.

flynnlives

runawaybishop wrote: »

Italy was the first country to ban flights from china

listen the facts speak for themselves. Taiwan were proactive. We arent.

Duke of Url

the butcher wrote: »

Dr Tony Holohan actually wouldn't even comment on that in the press meeting yesterday.

I would expect the guy in Cork to be in Hospital as he had a-lot of other health issues but the rest?

jam_mac_jam

banie01 wrote: »

With other serious underlying health issues.
Age is a factor, but so is the health of an infected person.

There was a marathon runner in Italy in intensive car. Just because you are healthy doesn't guarantee anything.

You are less likely to die or suffer severely if you are young. Doesn't mean that nobody young or healthy will suffer.

You can be one of the very small number. I wouldn't be too complacent

endainoz

RocketRaccoon wrote: »

OK I'm due to work today with someone who was at that Blindboy gig thing. Is there any solid links anywhere about possible exposure at it?

No it's not made official. Anyone who were near the people have been already contacted.

iguana

Boggles wrote: »

If this was a move you'd def be the first gone.

I have the post-apocolyptic book Children of the Dust running through my head for the last few days. The family were well protected in their house eating tinned food, but all but one of the kids drank water from a tub and radioactive dust came down the chimney and contaminated it. So don't think I'm not a little concerned for me too. The only thing I'm 100% sure I'm safe on are my testicles.:pac:

Somedaythefire

flynnlives wrote: »

listen the facts speak for themselves. Taiwan were proactive. We arent.

The facts are facts except in cases where the facts contradict the facts.

iguana

drunkmonkey wrote: »

You do know the person in intensive care in cork is your age. The stats might say it only kills the old, there stats though it doesn't mean you get a free pass.

He's my age but had underlying health issues.

Drumpot

amadangomor wrote: »

Your example is not great.

Buying enough toilet roll for a couple of weeks is logical. Buying enough to last a year or so is not. Also arguably the greatest invention is the modern sewerage system so we no longer live in our own ****.

Toilet roll is a part of that system and we would be a lot unhealthier without it.

And virus apparently is transmitted from your feces. I rememeber hearing about how this might of spread in locked down apartments in Wuhan (literally through the sewage system).

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.livescience.com/amp/coronavirus-spread-building-pipes.html

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.sciencealert.com/latest-coronavirus-study-suggests-it-can-also-be-spread-through-poop

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-may-spread-via-poop-2020-3%3famp

So public toilets are a no no for me

Canonfan

Canonfan wrote: »

Because of the 5000+ Italian tourists expected this weekend I heard.

I wonder if anyone is the press is at the airport counting numbers of passengers today?