Coronavirus Part IV - 19 cases in ROI, 7 in NI (as of 7 March) *Read warnings in OP*

1641

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

My point is some posters seem to believe that the crisis in Italy and the insanity in Iran couldn't happen here.

It can.

I'm not optimistic at all on that front to be perfectly honest but they want to defend the HSE and how this country is run.

I would be considered in the "at risk" category but not as majorly so as some others. I am of an age where a lot of those I'm close to would be considered highly at risk. I suspect some will not make it.

I know of very few people not taking this seriously. Every time I check into this thread I mostly read posters who are taking it seriously (admittedly there are a few minimisers and even one outright denier). But what I don't find helpful are the few who are shouting "PANIC, PANDEMIC, SARS/HIV, 200,000 thousand dead, everyone is useless - don't believe them."

I find some posters are the equivalent of the guy who rushes into the crowded cinema which is being orderly evacuated and shouts "FIRE,RUN NOW, BUT ITS TOO LATE - 20% OF YOU ARE GOING TO DIE ANYWAY, THE MANAGEMENT ARE ALL INCOMPETENT B*&^TARDS, THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT YOU, ONLY I DO" !

Panrich

caveat emptor wrote: »

No it doesn't . Means hospitalised with symptoms.
DIMESSI
GUARITI means healed.

Hence not included in the 1777 total.

Breakdown is hospitalised, intensive care and domestic isolation. giving total actually positive.

The red and green = cases concluded . green = alive. red = dead/

Then why would they not say that they are in hospital?

Recoverati con sintomi literally means 'Recovered with symptoms'. It does not mention hospital. they may be there but that is not clear from the column header.

My reading that seems to make more sense is that Recovered with symptoms means that they are still showing positive.

Healed would be those who are now recovered but not showing as positive any more.

Now if you can show where the initial column actually means that they are in hospital then I will agree but the column header does not show that. Why would people who have 'recovered' be in hospital?

ThePopehimself

University of Limerick has sent email to students.

THE University of Limerick will ‘likely’ restrict numbers on the campus, due to the coronavirus, at some point in the near future, students have been informed.

“The objective of UL is to safeguard its staff, students and the general public. Therefore we will take the appropriate steps to prevent the spreading of the virus...The situation is being monitored daily by Executive Management and we will communicate as soon as possible on relevant aspects of our response.”

amadangomor

caveat emptor wrote: »

1169 "Ricoverati con sintomi" means recovering in hospital.
244

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"Terapia intensiva" . Add the two of them together to get
1413
1777 is total actual cases. Divide one by the other and multiply by 100.

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= 79.5% which when rounded to the nearest whole number.

Surely Ricoverati con sintomi means recovering with syptoms!!
And I speak about 7 words of Italian

drunkmonkey

Duke of Url wrote: »

Are all confirmed cases in Ireland in being Quarantined in Hospital?

Yes it was in the Irish examiner article this morning. They've said everyone else can feck off and stay at home there not letting any more into hospital.

The article has since been removed I linked and quoted to in an earlier post.
Hospitals don't want to see you, https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/covid-19-patients-in-emergency-depts-like-bringing-drum-of-petrol-to-fire-says-consultant-986160.html

Akabusi

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

I will forever love Blindboy for how much he irks boardsies. It’s endlessly amusing.

Does he still go around with a plastic bag on his head? Should protect him from COVID-19

DrumSteve

caveat emptor wrote: »

Stop misinforming people. Yes there are more cured at this stage then there are in intensive care. However there are approx 2K in hospital now. In Lombardia there are 244 people in intensive care right now. There are 364 recovering at home.

That's 2K in hospital 364 at home. Wonder how many are mild.

We can all use percentages / comparisons to make something sound different.
Here's a good one.

Of the 1777 people who have the disease currently in Lombary 79% are in hospital

Don't take my word for it. Get out the all calculator.




http://www.protezionecivile.gov.it/documents/20182/1221364/Dati+Riepilogo+Nazionale+5marzo2020/a529828b-0bf0-4d5b-ad66-4669d3635a24

How am I misinforming people?

I literally just put down what I seen on the totals. You even agreed in your 2nd sentence.

tobefrank321

kermit.de.tool wrote: »

Here to counter panic and misinformation. Let’s fight this thing together and fight the need for infection cheerleading and doomsday porn.

There are those who think this is the end of the world. There are those who think there's nothing to worry about.

Most of the rest of us are in the middle ground and believe with a little effort and competent leadership from health officials and politicians, we could easily avoid the worst of this.

blanch152

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

My point is some posters seem to believe that the crisis in Italy and the insanity in Iran couldn't happen here.

It can.

I'm not optimistic at all on that front to be perfectly honest but they want to defend the HSE and how this country is run.

It is not just the competence of a particular health service that is an issue.

You can have the best health service in the world, but if people don't bother to follow instructions, continue to go on ski trips, fail to wash their hands, post repeated panicky advice on social media, keep going to work when sick etc., then the best health service in the world won't save you.

deisedevil

Waterford hospital closed down. Suspected case there.

This comes to mind!!!

Those airports will be open!

Cilldara_2000

runawaybishop wrote: »

Italy was the first country to ban flights from china

This has been lost in the clamour for flights to be banned. On 31 January Italy banned flights from China. They had two confirmed cases at the time, two Chinese tourists. Their third case was on 6 February, an Italian repatriated from Wuhan. On 21 February they had 20 cases and we know the story since.

Doesn't this indicate that banning flights is somewhat pointless?

sReq | uTeK

iguana wrote: »

He's my age but had underlying health issues.

The directive for any body coming in now goes to HDU it's where they have isolation. Its standard procedure dont read too much into it

Pseudonym121

[Deleted User] wrote: »

And where would the legally detained psychiatric patients go? Psych nurses aren't trained to give IVs etc. as well

Well I’m saying if it got really bad there are lots of options to make beds. Psych wards also aren’t plumbed for supplementary O2 in the main so you’d be relating on canisters.

As to nurses. Well, if it got bad enough you were using psych units for this and psychiatrists and psych nurses to provide care I’m sure they’d be leavened by a number of medical doctors and nurses to provide know how.

If I were organising it I’d just pick a few centres to hold the involuntarily detained patients, transfer them all to those three or four centres and then use the empty ones for the moderate severity patients with COVID19.

But this sort of thing would only happens if we were in reasonable worst case scenario territory.

My goal was to illustrate that if things got bad our assumptions of what would and wouldn’t be possible would change.

SafeSurfer

iguana wrote: »

I have the post-apocolyptic book Children of the Dust running through my head for the last few days. The family were well protected in their house eating tinned food, but all but one of the kids drank water from a tub and radioactive dust came down the chimney and contaminated it. So don't think I'm not a little concerned for me too. The only thing I'm 100% sure I'm safe on are my testicles.:pac:

Apparently coronavirus damages the testicles.

https://www.worldofbuzz.com/researchers-coronavirus-may-attack-testicular-tissue-leave-men-infertile-after-infection/

Kermit.de.frog

1641 wrote: »

I would be considered in the "at risk" category but not as majorly so as some others. I am of an age where a lot of those I'm close to would be considered highly at risk. I suspect some will not make it.

I know of very few people not taking this seriously. Every time I check into this thread I mostly read posters who are taking it seriously (admittedly there are a few minimisers and even one outright denier). But what I don't find helpful are the few who are shouting "PANIC, PANDEMIC, SARS/HIV, 200,000 thousand dead, everyone is useless - don't believe them."

I find some posters are the equivalent of the guy who rushes into the crowded cinema which is being orderly evacuated and shouts "FIRE,RUN NOW, BUT ITS TOO LATE - 20% OF YOU ARE GOING TO DIE ANYWAY, THE MANAGEMENT ARE ALL INCOMPETENT B*&^TARDS, THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT YOU, ONLY I DO" !

I agree. But I don't and have never done that.

Actually I mostly try and inject some humor but sometimes it seems to go over poster's heads :pac:

quokula

caveat emptor wrote: »

The maths of an epidemic aren't comparable to road death statistics.
Image in being drunk was contagious and had a reproduction number of (R0) 2 to 3.

In a very short period of time road deaths would shoot through the roof as the ratio of drunk to non drunk increased.

Take it further and imagine we could just close the road with the drunk town and stop anyone who appears drunk.

We do that to reduce road deaths anyway

No the Maths of road deaths are far, far worse. And they continue long after the epidemic passes.

In China there are over 1000 road deaths per week. There have been 3000 coronavirus deaths over approx 3 months. So even in ground zero of the crisis roughly one quarter as many people were killed by the virus as were killed by cars.

The epidemic has now largely passed in China with fewer and fewer cases each day. Other countries have advantages China didn't in greater advanced knowledge of the virus, more knowledge of what treatments help, knowing to isolate people and the importance of hygiene steps etc.

People point out that China took some extreme measures but only after the disease was rampant for 1+ months without any awareness whatsoever, and even after that period there was no awareness of what treatments were of benefit and what weren't. The steps China took beyond that are still open to everyone if things do start to get worse, but there's no evidence that that is happening yet.

The odds of Ireland being hit half as bad as China are slim as we have advanced warning and half the population density, but even if we are, then proportional to our population, that will mean approx 10 deaths in total - equivalent to the number of road deaths in an average month.

My post was in response to someone who said this thread should be reserved for posting whenever there were new cases and people trying to provide perspective should be shut down.

But if you take any bad thing, whether it's coronavirus, suicide, road deaths, seasonal flu, heart disease etc, and you start obsessively following every single incidence of that thing occurring anywhere on the entire planet, you will start to get a wildly unrealistic perception of how likely that thing is to directly impact you or those around you and it's simply not healthy.

jam_mac_jam

Drumpot wrote: »

And there have been reported cases of healthy middle aged adults dieing for unexplainable reasons (Dr Bruce Aylward recent Channel 4 interview). Statistically speaking younger people’s chances are much lower but not zero.

I don't think people fully understand that at all. Everyone is like oh I'm not old I'm safe. You may even have a health condition that you don't know about. Heart problems that are not that serious on their own.

Even if it is one per cent. You could be unlucky and be that one per cent.

Nijmegen

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Banning flights from Italy makes no sense anyway - they fly from anywhere else in Europe or travel to the UK.

You'd have to ban all European flights to achieve a result.

That's effective what they did internally in China.

amadangomor

amadangomor wrote: »

Surely Ricoverati con sintomi means recovering with syptoms!!
And I speak about 7 words of Italian

It means hospitalised.

martingriff

YFlyer wrote: »

Even RTE had a short clip early last week that the person suspected of having the coronavirus to self isolate themselves from the rest of the household.

All the students in the schools that have the coronavirus should be self isolated and not mixing with others.

I agree with you. My post was a post was replying to someone what to do. He ranted our depending who you listen to our incompetent HSE (which they are) or an overseas health area and then had a rant so I asked what are others saying or doing. As far as I see it's the same as the HSE

Kermit.de.frog

deisedevil wrote: »

Waterford hospital closed down. Suspected case there.

Don't see anything relating to that.

Link?

Mic 1972

mlem123 wrote: »

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/irishman-suspected-coronavirus-escapes-isolation-21644227

What an idiot. Gives us a bad name

:eek: total idiot

CIARAN_BOYLE

16,000 tests 5000 cases in Iran so far in total.

Given the high incidence rate when tested you have to wonder how many actually have it there.

megabomberman

tobefrank321 wrote: »

There are those who think this is the end of the world. There are those who think there's nothing to worry about.

Most of the rest of us are in the middle ground and believe with a little effort and competent leadership from health officials and politicians, we could easily avoid the worst of this.

The only proactive measure the officials have taken so far is to cancel a rugby game that is scheduled for this weekend.

I really hate the strategy of allowing the exponential transmission curve a bit of a slack to get going before attempting to flatten it when things start to get out of hand. It just doesn't make any sense to me.

DellyBelly

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

I don't think people fully understand that at all. Everyone is like oh I'm not old I'm safe. You may even have a health condition that you don't know about. Heart problems that are not that serious on their own.

Even if it is one per cent. You could be unlucky and be that one per cent.

That's the issue. People may have problems they are not aware of and this virus may be very dangerous to them even if they are in their teens or 20s. I've heard alot of my friends say the elderly in their 50s, 60, and upwards are the ones who should only be concerned but that may not be the case...

iguana

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Apparently coronavirus damages the testicles.

https://www.worldofbuzz.com/researchers-coronavirus-may-attack-testicular-tissue-leave-men-infertile-after-infection/

I know but I'm a woman.:P

Duke of Url

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Yes it was in the Irish examiner article this morning. They've said everyone else can feck off and stay at home there not letting any more into hospital.

The article has since been removed I linked and quoted to in an earlier post.
Hospitals don't want to see you, https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/covid-19-patients-in-emergency-depts-like-bringing-drum-of-petrol-to-fire-says-consultant-986160.html

I would think that the Serious and Critical confirmed cases should be in Hospital and the Mild confirmed Isolate at home , no?

silverharp

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

16,000 tests 5000 cases in Iran so far in total.

Given the high incidence rate when tested you have to wonder how many actually have it there.

the amount of senior people contracting it and dying feels odd, it is certainly isn't just getting some malnourished plebs.

Kermit.de.frog

Seems to me cases are likely to leak from now on instead of waiting for the evening presser.

The media seem to have discovered a pair of balls.

This is a good thing in my opinion.