Coronavirus Part IV - 19 cases in ROI, 7 in NI (as of 7 March) *Read warnings in OP*

BarryD2

tobefrank321 wrote: »

They could have been brought home in a controlled manner such as charter flight and then 2 week isolation as happened in the UK and the outbreak in Wuhan. And once that was completed, ban flights to and from the region.

As it stands, people continue to be put at risk including unfortunately flight crew. Madness.

Absolutely, anyone coming back from Italy or travelling from same should have been clearly told not to go to school or work etc and keep themselves house confined for a fortnight, in the possible but unlikely event of them developing symptoms. Inconvenient but would surely have been a more useful strategy of 'containment'.

Flippyfloppy

BloodBath wrote: »

Ah mamma Mia!

SeaBreezes

Deleted User wrote: »

Lads, whats the point in fighting this????

Knowledgeable posters with obvious scientific backgrounds/PhDs (definitely not hysterical loons) have said it is some kind of mixture between SARS/HIV/Black plague. We are doomed anyway.

Twill be grand...

caveat emptor

Scotty # wrote: »

Pardon my ignorance while I bow to your COVID-19 expertise. I have to admit I don't know very much about either virus knor do I understand the mass hysteria.

Looking at the figures...
Covid19 - 3% death rate
Influenza - 0.05% death rate

So C19 has a 6x higher death rate. But aren't you... I dunno... 1000x more likely to contract the flu? Making it a far far higher threat to your health than C19? No?

No worries but the difference between the numbers you quoted is actual 6X.
I don't know many people who know how to deal with really small or really big numbers.

Its actually 60!
3 / 0.05 = 60

maninasia

Miike wrote: »

Their control measures are actually insane though. I have a friend over there who has to report their temperature in an online system at work every hour on the hour. If you break your 14 day isolation notice (if you've been a contact) you are prosecuted and could face jail/caning

The temp reporting per hour is an extreme example. That you will be prosecuted or fined for breaking home quarantine is the same in many countries in Asia.

Ipso

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

So the bold Dr Brockman wants to increase the spread of the disease by letting infected healthcare workers kill their vulnerable sick patients !

I suppose all his older relatives are somehow immune !

Is he related to Dr Mengele ?

Call for Godwin on line 1.

banie01

Flippyfloppy wrote: »

Ah mamma Mia!

You've a mamma'd your'a lasta Mia!!!

JDD

My husband works for a foodstuff company. For a particular line of products, they would normally get orders for approximately 25,000 boxes of the product across the country from all the supermarkets in any one week. Last week they got orders for 33,000 boxes, and they've just got this weeks orders in - 55,000 boxes.

They have the stock - unusually, because normally they run a JIT logistics strategy, but they had built up some stock as a Brexit buffer. So they can supply the supermarkets. So I'm guessing that's what's happening. The manufacturers are running down their stocks, so the shelves in most places are generally full, but that won't last.

otnomart

Europe fails to help Italy in coronavirus fight
"The refusal so far to volunteer help for Italy, which requested face masks through the EU's civil protection mechanism, highlights the urgency for Brussels as it seeks to orchestrate a coordinated response to the epidemic.

Just weeks ago, Italy was one of five EU countries, along with France, Germany, Latvia and Estonia, to send more than 30.5 tons of protective equipment to China, with the transport costs jointly financed by the EU."
https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-aims-better-control-coronavirus-responses/

Kermit.de.frog

Anyone want to help Italy?

Anyone at all!?

imfml

wakka12 wrote: »

Belgium, Netherlands, Norway and Sweden, all have over 100 cases as of this morning, Switzerland now has over 200, France and Germany both almost 600 cases

Europe now has around 6000 cases, 3/4 of them in Italy

France and German have done well slowing the spread.

DrumSteve

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Anyone want to help Italy?

Anyone at all!?

I would, but I can't get a flight.

05eaftqbrs9jlh

CitizenFloor wrote: »

If it comes to it, I wonder if its possible to have mildly infected medical staff treat infected patients, rather than have them self isolate. Set up some quarantined buildings, and allow patients be treated. Would the mildly infected staff, be at risk of getting sicker.....I know zero about the topic, just curious.

I don't think you understand what happens when you get the virus.

Dry cough at first, hacking cough you just can't shake. Tires you out and makes you breathless. Many people die because they suffocate when their lungs can't respire effectively enough to get oxygen to the cells.

A fever kicks in because your body is stressed and working overtime to protect you from the rapid spread of the virus. You'll probably be sweating buckets and are a very high infection risk at this point. Putting healthcare workers in contact with patients like this, as far as I know, increases their viral load.

Finally the muscles spasms kick in as your cells desperately try to access any energy left in them to try and get the virus out.

The only cure at the moment is rest and people are currently dying regularly while trying to get better.

So personally I think we should let hospital staff off sick when they need it. We owe it to them because we couldn't cover our coughs and infected others, protect ourselves from other people or take measured steps to contain this before it was out of control.

Pat Kenny, Joe Duffy and Sean Moncreiff all off work today. Anyone else notice high-profile absences? I've been off sick myself (with a cold) the last two days and looking at getting an extension on my medical cert if I need to on Monday. I'm lucky enough to have sick pay. I wish everyone did.

babybuilder

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Anyone want to help Italy?

Anyone at all!?

Help them for helping us😬

frillyleaf

DrumSteve wrote: »

That's because of the demography of those affected. The Chinese data (FWIW) is more accurate in terms of who is affected.

Mild symptoms are effectively the same as the flu (before anyone says anything, im not comparing it to the flu).

This is nothing to be complacent about. A lot of people are going to die.

The key is to minimise it.

Agreed. I think a lot of people who think they’ve had the flu before haven’t actually had it. Even people saying ‘it’s just a flu’ surely have not had a full blown flu as if they have had a real flu they would understand it’s nothing to be sniffed at!

I feel many cases of mistaken for ‘flu’ are just a bad dose....”Jonny has the flu so we just going to have some food, watch a film and rest on the couch for the weekend” is not a case of the flu.

In my opinion when you have the actual flu you are generally so sick you are bed bound as opposed to being able to walk around your house or even contemplate watching tv. You’re too sick to even care about watching tv or use energy to do that at its worst .I am healthy and ended up in hospital with it and was shocked at how bad it was.

Simdruid

Maddox Jealous Yard wrote: »

Any link to this going on?

I'm mostly a lurker so I'm not sure I can post links but it's on the RTE site's live update at 15:09.

BarryD2

flynnlives wrote: »

We are still dithering over St, patrick's day. In 2001 foot and mouth cancelled St. patrick's day with no objection from anyone from what i remember. There is zero leadership on this crisis in Gov. The HSE's transparency and decision making has been woeful.

It's hard to figure who is really in charge and knows it. As usual, decisions likely been made across a number of bodies and by various people. All of who will declare that they weren't really responsible if things go pear shaped.

Pseudonym121

dan786 wrote: »

Update:

Guidelines on the holding of mass gatherings are being discussed at a meeting of a stakeholder forum which is beginning around now.

Employer groups, trade unions, voluntary groups and civic society representatives are attending the discussion to decide how to proceed with large events in the face of the coronavirus.

It's expected the guidelines will be published sometime this evening after the meeting ends.

What I was saying and was dismissed as hysterical in the recent past will become the new norm soon.

I’m really gratified to see this meeting going ahead. If they start tightening things up now instead of waiting two weeks till after Paddy’s Day it will make a big difference.

Boggles

Simdruid wrote: »

I'm mostly a lurker so I'm not sure I can post links but it's on the RTE site's live update at 15:09.

High level meetings taken place all day appartently.

I wonder will start the shutdown of the country over the weekend.

Scotty #

caveat emptor wrote: »

Its actually 60!
3 / 0.05 = 60

Correct. I jumped the gun. However, that figure is the rate in the US. The global avg could be much higher.

Canonfan

ThePopehimself wrote: »

Canonfan View Post
Sorry no link but it is 100% confirmed because I have a lot of Chinese friends and this is shared by WECHAT( Chinese chatting software).

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The Popehimself
Thank you for getting back.

Would you happen to have any details? Has it been confirmed, even in the chat, that there is a suspected case/ is there someone with symptoms/ are people being tested? How many businesses are closed?

Is Golden beach supermarket closed at Number 137?

Any update appreciated.

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No Need. I just confirmed it myself. No customers allowed. Several Closed.

Are you getting that it is a confirmed case? (That is what I am getting)

If so, that is the city centre.

There is no confirmed case in the Chinese community here, the restaurant owners are afraid that the Italian tourists might flood the street this weekend and some might be travelling from Northern Italy.

Bob24

Bob24 wrote: »

Ivo Cilesi, renown doctor in Italy who recently commented in Italian media that he wasn’t too worried about the coronavirus as it was only a “slightly more severe flue”, has died from the virus: https://www.lastampa.it/cronaca/2020/03/03/news/morto-di-coronavirus-ivo-cilesi-fra-massimi-esperti-di-alzheimer-1.38545327

May he rest in peace, and hopefully this can get Italians and Europeans to take it more seriously.

62 years old. Would be in a higher risk age group unfortunately.

DrumSteve

Boggles wrote: »

High level meetings taken place all day appartently.

I wonder will start the shutdown of the country over the weekend.

Yeah I'd imagine that'll be the case.

They can say, look at Italy, we're ceasing public gatherings til this is sorted.

1641

JDD wrote: »

My husband works for a foodstuff company. For a particular line of products, they would normally get orders for approximately 25,000 boxes of the product across the country from all the supermarkets in any one week. Last week they got orders for 33,000 boxes, and they've just got this weeks orders in - 55,000 boxes.

They have the stock - unusually, because normally they run a JIT logistics strategy, but they had built up some stock as a Brexit buffer. So they can supply the supermarkets. So I'm guessing that's what's happening. The manufacturers are running down their stocks, so the shelves in most places are generally full, but that won't last.

Its not All-Bran? it would explain the loo paper.

babybuilder

Deleted User wrote: »

62 years old. Would be in a higher risk age group unfortunately.

Yes but I'd say marginal. Maybe underlying condition. Who knows.

DrumSteve

Maddox Jealous Yard wrote: »

I don't think you understand what happens when you get the virus.

Dry cough at first, hacking cough you just can't shake. Tires you out and makes you breathless. Many people die because they suffocate when their lungs can't respire effectively enough to get oxygen to the cells.

A fever kicks in because your body is stressed and working overtime to protect you from the rapid spread of the virus. You'll probably be sweating buckets and are a very high infection risk at this point. Putting healthcare workers in contact with patients like this, as far as I know, increases their viral load.

Finally the muscles spasms kick in as your cells desperately try to access any energy left in them to try and get the virus out.

The only cure at the moment is rest and people are currently dying regularly while trying to get better.

So personally I think we should let hospital staff off sick when they need it. We owe it to them because we couldn't cover our coughs and infected others, protect ourselves from other people or take measured steps to contain this before it was out of control.

Pat Kenny, Joe Duffy and Sean Moncreiff all off work today. Anyone else notice high-profile absences? I've been off sick myself (with a cold) the last two days and looking at getting an extension on my medical cert if I need to on Monday. I'm lucky enough to have sick pay. I wish everyone did.

Just to be clear, the symptoms you describe above are in the severe/critical group. Most people will not be in spasms as they slowly die from this.

White_hills

Flew home from Spain yest, no signage or anything like that up regarding the virus in the airport we departed from. One bathroom didn't have soap in it but all of the permanent hand sanitizer units were full up and available.

Plenty of signs up in Dublin airport. I've an underlying illness so I'm watching things like a hawk.

Also went to the doc today for something else and was told that I'll know if I have it as I won't be able to catch my breath. Sounds delightful....

wakka12

White_hills wrote: »

Flew home from Spain yest, no signage or anything like that up regarding the virus in the airport we departed from. One bathroom didn't have soap in it but all of the permanent hand sanitizer units were full up and available.

Plenty of signs up in Dublin airport. I've an underlying illness so I'm watching things like a hawk.

Thats surprising, Spain had 100 new cases today already. Over half of them in the capital

the butcher

The number of COVID-19 patients receiving intensive care also rose to 351 from 295 on Wednesday. Around 1,100 of those infected were in isolation at home while around 1,700 were in hospital.

We couldn't cope with 20% of that.

Pretzill

WHO director - "the only way we can beat this virus is if we stand together." surely we could put aside this globalisation idyll and actually look after our own space. It's almost as if this virus was allowed to run free.