Coronavirus Part IV - 19 cases in ROI, 7 in NI (as of 7 March) *Read warnings in OP*

viewfromtheuk

NH2013 wrote: »

Should we close all shops and businesses tomorrow, ground all flights, stop all schools and colleges, no cars/buses/trains, no GAA training, no public gatherings, everyone stay in their houses in order to make sure we don't spread it to other countries?

Yes, Yes Yes!
The EU can print unlimited money to bail out banks, why not print money to save the lives of EU citizens?

Ironicname

Sober Crappy Chemis wrote:

So, if I never saw this thread I would not worry.

I have to admit, as much as I appreciate people giving their opinions and relaying information, I need to take a deep breath (while I still can) before I open this thread.

I'm not exaggerating, this thread is exacerbating all my anxiety and distresses me but I'd rather hear this than people telling me if I wash my hands I'll be ok.

Rock and a hard place really. I want to be happy for my other half, but I don't want to bury my head in the sand.

Blueshoe

viewfromtheuk wrote: »

Yes, Yes Yes!
The EU can print unlimited money to bail out banks, why not print money to save the lives of EU citizens?

Because countries wouldn't be able to pay it back. It's value Vs all other currencies would plummet. A knock on effect would destroy the global economy.

Xertz

Ironicname wrote: »

I have to admit, as much as I appreciate people giving their opinions and relaying information, I need to take a deep breath (while I still can) before I open this thread.

I'm not exaggerating, this thread is exacerbating all my anxiety and distresses me but I'd rather hear this than people telling me if I wash my hands I'll be ok.

Rock and a hard place really. I want to be happy for my other half, but I don't want to bury my head in the sand.

Honestly, you’ll be fine! Just taken reasonable precautions. That’s all anyone can do. It’s still FAR more dangerous to cross a road or drive a car than the risk of being wiped out by this virus.

A bit of healthy concern is good but don’t get too frightened either.

We will deal with it and in the not too distant future it’ll be a Reeling in the Years episode full of people in bizarre looking 2020s ugly fashion arguing over bog roll.

owlbethere

Ironicname wrote: »

I have to admit, as much as I appreciate people giving their opinions and relaying information, I need to take a deep breath (while I still can) before I open this thread.

I'm not exaggerating, this thread is exacerbating all my anxiety and distresses me but I'd rather hear this than people telling me if I wash my hands I'll be ok.

Rock and a hard place really. I want to be happy for my other half, but I don't want to bury my head in the sand.

David and Sally Abel are an english couple. They are beautiful and so kind with what they are doing. They documented their journey with Corona from ship to Japanese hospital. They are looking very very well. Check them out on YouTube.

Edit to add: follow the guidelines that's been hammered out.

Ironicname

Xertz wrote:

A bit of healthy concern is good but don’t get too frightened either.

Thank you.

Xertz wrote:

We will deal with it and in the not too distant future it’ll be a Reeling in the Years episode full of people in bizarre looking 2020s ugly fashion arguing over bog roll.

Let's hope so.

faceman

viewfromtheuk wrote: »

The EU has ZERO problems turning on the printing presses and loading up the tax payers with debt to bail out the banks, but the EU is very quite about this Covid19.
The simple fact is ANY PROBLEM CAN BE SOLVED BY THROWING MONEY AT IT.

Where is the EU now that Italy is is in serious trouble?
France, Germany, Spain are a few days behind, where is the EU money?
They throw money to the Banks and Refugees, but now EU citizens are hurting and where is the money for them?

Ah here. Did you even bother to do any research?

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/qanda_20_307

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_20_316

https://ec.europa.eu/info/live-work-travel-eu/health/coronavirus-response_en

owlbethere

viewfromtheuk wrote: »

Greece and Turkey are close to war
Erdogan is pushing Islamic refugees to the Geek border
Greece and EU has said we will take no refugees
Greece has authorised live ammunition to br fired
Greece has called up army reserves
Greece has said it will DRAFT men to fight "invasion"
Poland,Slovakia,Hungary have sent soldiers to Greece to "secure the border against the muslim invasion."
A lot is going on in the world that is being hidden by the Covid19 out break.
For God sake Israeli and Palestinian politicians are agreeing to LOCK DOWN Bethlehem!!!!!!!!!

I fell asleep for a little while but then I couldn't sleep well and now I'm awake again. Reading this isn't very promising.

Ironicname

owlbethere wrote:

David and Sally Abel are an english couple. They are beautiful and so kind with what they are doing. They documented their journey with Corona from ship to Japanese hospital. They are looking very very well. Check them out on YouTube.

Will do.

Six weeks ago I was so worried about whether or not our IVF worked. Now, I hate to say this, but I wish it hadnt.

What a difference a few weeks makes.

It has genuinely given me a completely new outlook on life though. I feel powerless looking at my daughter when she asks me if everything is going to be ok.

I obviously stoically tell her that this will all be fine but my heart breaks every time I need to reassure her because deep down I know I'm just as scared as she is.

nocoverart

Ironicname wrote: »

I have to admit, as much as I appreciate people giving their opinions and relaying information, I need to take a deep breath (while I still can) before I open this thread.

I'm not exaggerating, this thread is exacerbating all my anxiety and distresses me but I'd rather hear this than people telling me if I wash my hands I'll be ok.

Rock and a hard place really. I want to be happy for my other half, but I don't want to bury my head in the sand.

I know where you’re coming from. This is hitting me hard too. Ten or so years ago ignorant me prob wouldn’t even of noticed this by now, be out in a club having a right laugh! but I moved back home to care for my Mother recently who’s so weak, and my Father is due for major surgery soon too... but as I said in a previous post, keeping your mental health in check is so important! and I’m a firm believer in its not always as bad as it seems.

owlbethere

Ironicname wrote: »

Will do.

Six weeks ago I was so worried about whether or not our IVF worked. Now, I hate to say this, but I wish it hadnt.

What a difference a few weeks makes.

It has genuinely given me a completely new outlook on life though. I feel powerless looking at my daughter when she asks me if everything is going to be ok.

I obviously stoically tell her that this will all be fine but my heart breaks every time I need to reassure her because deep down I know I'm just as scared as she is.

I agree with you. I'm a mixed bag. It's mainly filled with worry and fear but that's not going to get us anywhere.

We faced a crisis before. Remember the financial crisis. The air was so eerie and so much troubles for people and gloom but we pulled out from that in an ok shape. I remember these boards from back then 2010, and I will say there was so much worry when the IMF came. Something that really stood to us was the humour. So many people were so funny and witty. These thread is the same. There's so much worry and fear but it's warranted but there's also a mixture of humour. There's been a few times when I LOL. Last night there was a very funny post - poor old Jimmy in self isolation, with his cat whoring the disease down the road.

viewfromtheuk

Blueshoe wrote: »

Because countries wouldn't be able to pay it back. It's value Vs all other currencies would plummet. A knock on effect would destroy the global economy.

Bull Sxxt! Thats what the powers that be would have you believe!
The powers that be pulled TRILLIONS of Euro out of thin air to bail out EU banks.
Absolutely nothing preventing them from saying the EU will Cover the losses of every employer who's employees have to stay at home under a EU ordered quarantine

the butcher

Mervyn Skidmore wrote: »

No, that was Linda Martin's version of "Get Lucky"

We need that song pumped out 24/7 to push back the coronavirus!

Mars Bar

Why are people stocking up on loo roll?

Here in the UAE schools have been closed for 4 weeks starting today. They moved spring break forward and then they will start 2 weeks of e-learning.

Sports activities have been pretty much suspended particularly at youth level.

Which is why I'm going to a meeting in 2 hours to discover if I will be made redundant.

viewfromtheuk

faceman wrote: »

Ah here. Did you even bother to do any research?

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/qanda_20_307

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_20_316

https://ec.europa.eu/info/live-work-travel-eu/health/coronavirus-response_en

Wonderfull stuff from the EU , they have given a few MILION to combat the Covid19 virus.
The same EU had BILLIONS and TRILLIONS of Euro to give to the banks in their hour of need.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

tobefrank321 wrote: »

AIDs is difficult to catch. Its not an airborne disease and requires blood to blood transmission or similar. And you could live for years.

Covid 19 is far more virulent and contagious.

I’d by far take Covid 19 over HIV. People might live for years being HIV positive but that comes with treatment with side effects and anyone with a chronic illness would much rather not have it. Covid 19 might be more infectious but for the vast majority of people, it’s just passing through rather than the end of the line.

haydeyhi

People there is 18 confirmed cases in republic of Ireland with a population of
4,700,000. Just calm down.

People are aware of it in Ireland and will avoid spreading it. There is no need to be nervous and there is no medical experts from what I can see on boards.ie. Just spouting there opinions and believing everything they read on the Internet.

We will be fine. Its not going to get Italian or Chinese levels whatsoever.

viewfromtheuk

Blueshoe wrote: »

Because countries wouldn't be able to pay it back. It's value Vs all other currencies would plummet. A knock on effect would destroy the global economy.

NEWS FLASH!
Banks ain't paying it back either!

viewfromtheuk

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

I’d by far take Covid 19 over HIV. People might live for years being HIV positive but that comes with treatment with side effects and anyone with a chronic illness would much rather not have it. Covid 19 might be more infectious but for the vast majority of people, it’s just passing through rather than the end of the line.

Bollox!
Prep!
U=U

the butcher

Deleted User wrote: »

Unless flights are cancelled then cancelling the parade will have limited effect.

This is from an article in 2017:
"Last year, over 105,000 out-of-state visitors attended the St Patrick's Festival in Dublin, according to research on behalf of Fáilte Ireland."
https://m.independent.ie/life/travel/travel-news/record-numbers-jet-in-for-st-patricks-day-as-tourism-season-kicks-off-35534530.html

I would like to point out to posters, if you look at blindjustices first original posts from 2006, he was one of the few (extremely rare) posters arguing against the property bubble when most had their heads in the sand and warning people of the dangers that were to come. I would argue he saw it coming before 99% of the "economists" in the media that were fawning over things at the time.

It would be wise to take heed of the advice some of us are offering on these boards. Better safe than sorry.

the butcher

haydeyhi wrote: »

People are aware of it in Ireland and will avoid spreading it.

Like that health official from clare? :rolleyes: We should not underestimate the stupidity and selfishness of people.

viewfromtheuk

the butcher wrote: »

I would like to point out to posters, if you look at blindjustices first original posts from 2006, he was one of the few posters arguing against the property bubble when most had their heads in the sand and warning people of the dangers that were to come.

It would be wise to take heed of the advice some of us are offering on these boards. Better safe than sorry.

Its cool, new revised numbers are only 60 odd thousand dead, crisis adverted!

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

the butcher wrote: »

I would like to point out to posters, if you look at blindjustices first original posts from 2006, he was one of the few (extremely rare) posters arguing against the property bubble when most had their heads in the sand and warning people of the dangers that were to come. I would argue he saw it coming before 99% of the "economists" in the media that were fawning over things at the time.

It would be wise to take heed of the advice some of us are offering on these boards. Better safe than sorry.

Lots of laypeople knew that. I distinctly recall having a conversation with my father about the economy slowing down and him saying we were headed for a recession and by the events I remember in my life from that time, it was late 2006 or early 2007.

And, what, because somebody was right about something, they’re right about everything?

As for the media, my faith in their abilities re: science reporting is pretty low. Headlines are the most important thing.

spookwoman

haydeyhi wrote: »

People there is 18 confirmed cases in republic of Ireland with a population of
4,700,000. Just calm down.

People are aware of it in Ireland and will avoid spreading it. There is no need to be nervous and there is no medical experts from what I can see on boards.ie. Just spouting there opinions and believing everything they read on the Internet.

We will be fine. Its not going to get Italian or Chinese levels whatsoever.

Friday they had tested nearly 400 people, I believe that was people that may have presented themselves to GP's etc. From reliable source some people as of yesterday 3 days had passed since test and they are still waiting for results. They believe it will be probably monday or tuesday before they know. Then there are those that have been tested and are reading as negative because they are still in the early stages and not enough virus to register in the tests.
This is only starting

Ironicname

spookwoman wrote:

This is only starting

I believe that to be true.

But a lot of posters seem to revel in this and are almost joyous at this diagnosis.

I'm not one for censorship. Never have, never will be. But I do ask that if you can, be mindful that some people will be, and are affected by your comments so please be aware of that

the butcher

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Lots of laypeople knew that. I distinctly recall having a conversation with my father about the economy slowing down and him saying we were headed for a recession and by the events I remember in my life from that time, it was late 2006 or early 2007.

And, what, because somebody was right about something, they’re right about everything?

Yeah loads knew...look back on those 2006 threads and you'll see that's not the case at all - so don't give me that nonsense. Only in 2007 did a small few start to cop on. You only need to read the first thread of this to see it's only a handful concerned about it.

We have many saying trust our health officals..
We have a video of Dr Tony Holohan our chief medical officer telling us they expected a case or two in the coming months and we are well prepared!!!! I'm sorry it's just not credible whats coming out from officals. It's the same crap all over again. We are hearing the same warnings from "laypeople" and again we are seeing the same thing...half the posters on this thread dismissing the serious fallout from this.

Ardillaun

Regarding COVID-19, Ireland is lucky to have the Brits next door. They seem to be doing a better job than anybody in Europe on getting ahead of this thing, testing more than 20,000 people already. We are WAY behind that in Canada and the US.

spookwoman

Ironicname wrote: »

I believe that to be true.

But a lot of posters seem to revel in this and are almost joyous at this diagnosis.

I'm not one for censorship. Never have, never will be. But I do ask that if you can, be mindful that some people will be, and are affected by your comments so please be aware of that

I'm just looking at the numbers, I'm not going to mollycoddle anyone by saying it's all going to be ok because I don't know what's coming. I Can't and won't hand hold people who over react to comments. I saw it earlier when some posters are being clinical with the facts and people saying that's terrible and you shouldn't be saying that.
To those people I suggest they either block or get off boards and anything that might offend them.
Considering my immune system is fecked and know what the local hospital is like I do not plan on going with ah sure it all fine.

Ironicname

spookwoman wrote:

I'm just looking at the numbers, I'm not going to mollycoddle anyone by saying it's all going to be ok because I don't know what's coming. I Can't and won't hand hold people who over react to comments. I saw it earlier when some posters are being clinical with the facts and people saying that's terrible and you shouldn't be saying that. To those people I suggest they either block or get off boards and anything that might offend them. Considering my immune system is fecked and know what the local hospital is like I do not plan on going with ah sure it all fine.

I'm not for one minute saying you should. I know for my own sake, and for my own sanity, I should probably unfollow.

What I'm referring to are the obvious trolls who take satisfaction in stoking people's anxiety.

Facts are not trolling. Genuine opinions aren't trolling. But I've seen some people (on both sides of the spectrum) who just want to get a rise out of people and post inflammatory ****e just to offend/scare.

Real people with real families with real problems are scared. I don't want to be Molly coddled, I just want people to understand that what they say here effects us greatly. Please be aware of that when you post (not directed at you spookwoman)

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

the butcher wrote: »

Yeah loads knew...look back on those 2006 threads and you'll see that's not the case at all - so don't give me that nonsense. Only in 2007 did a small few start to cop on. You only need to read the first thread of this to see it's only a handful concerned about it.

We have many saying trust our health officals..
We have a video of Dr Tony Holohan our chief medical officer telling us they expected a case or two in the coming months and we are well prepared!!!! I'm sorry it's just not credible whats coming out from officals. It's the same crap all over again. We are hearing the same warnings from "laypeople" and again we are seeing the same thing...half the posters on this thread dismissing the serious fallout from this.

I’m telling you that in my day-to-day life, plenty of people did. And as you don’t know me, you can’t say whether or not it’s nonsense. So a poster knowing that is neither here nor there for me and doesn’t make them more credible than others.

Hamsterchops

Mars Bar wrote: »

Why are people stocking up on loo roll?

Dunno, it's a good question. Others are stockpiling pasta & tinned food, almost like there's going to be a nuclear holocaust.

Remember storm Emma in February 2018 (Beast from the East) and the 'Brennan's bread' frenzy with the supermarket shelves empty of Brennans sliced white bread

Never understood that :cool:
The storm came & passed....

Talisman

Xertz wrote: »

My concern isn’t really Patrick’s Day but where the timeline of this thing is likely to go.

There’s an assumption that, like the winter Flu, it will just somehow disappear in April. That’s not looking like something we can take for granted, although I’d love to be optimistic.

So does that mean that all sorts of events and festivals across the summer may be in doubt?

The worst case scenario economically speaking (as cold as that may seem) is that this bubbles away, very disruptively until vaccines arrive in 2021.

It’s not beyond the realms of possibility that we are stuck with this virus, and a new normal for a year or so.

With regards to Ireland, that is a big assumption, we don't get the warm temperatures until the summer months. 20-22C is considered hot and we are about 3-4 months away from reaching those temperatures. The south of Spain is a good indicator as to whether the temperture has an effect.

Alicante province was virus free up until last week (3 cases found on Thursday, 1 related to North Italy). The region has been enjoying temperatures in the 20-22C range already this month and it will get increasingly warmer from now on. If temperature is a decisive factor in preventing the spread of the virus, then the outbreak shouldn't explode there. If it spreads, I would expect fatalities on the scale of what we see in Italy because there are a large amount of retirees from Ireland and the UK living there, many with underlying health conditions.

Reati

the butcher wrote: »

It would be wise to take heed of the advice some of us are offering on these boards. Better safe than sorry.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day. Wouldn't be relying on it's 'advice' though.

This and all the threads on Covid19 are hysteria for the most part. Too many people extrapolating the outcomes of this disease from shows like walking dead or movies like 28 days later.

Yes, at risk people should be very careful not to contract it same as they need to be with flu colds and other ailments that affect them. This isn't to state there is no risk but numbers doesn't back up the disaster porn fetishism here. Circa 104,000 cases worldwide is about 0.00139% of the global population. You wouldn't put money on against odds like those.

Yes of course there is likely more undetected cases but one would guess those have proven to be less severe that they didn't present to hospital or GPs.

Personally as I read through this occasionally I have simply come to the conclusion that this thread will do damage to people's mental health and you can see that within some posters dispair. There is a lot of tinfoil hat stuff in here and while boards has always stated its not a place of free speech, I certainly didn't think it was a place of such rampant disinformation and fake news.

Stay safe. Nigh do lámha. Wash your hands.

leavingirl

the butcher wrote: »

I would like to point out to posters, if you look at blindjustices first original posts from 2006, he was one of the few (extremely rare) posters arguing against the property bubble when most had their heads in the sand and warning people of the dangers that were to come. I would argue he saw it coming before 99% of the "economists" in the media that were fawning over things at the time.

It would be wise to take heed of the advice some of us are offering on these boards. Better safe than sorry.

The only thing you should be afraid of is the vaccine that will result from all of this hysteria.

lawrencesummers

Numbers in other countries suggest a doubling every 3 days. But testing is key.

Going by that it could be something like:

60 cases by Tuesday
120 by Friday
240 by Bank holiday Monday
480 by Thursday after paddy’s
960 by mothers day.

Talisman

Fecking hell - that Business Post front page is a real headline grabber.

Hamsterchops

Talisman wrote: »

Fecking hell - that Business Post front page is a real headline grabber.

Sure is, and although I'm not worried if I or my wife & kids contract Covid-19, I would be worried about our aged parents, and all old people, sick & vulnerable people who could actually die!

Heard another rumer that dogs carry the virus, & pass it on to humans .....
No basis in science as far as I know.

owlbethere

Did anyone think of oil and petrol depletion?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/mar/08/australia-to-sign-petrol-and-oil-deal-with-us-to-boost-emergency-stockpile

Cork Boy 53

leavingirl wrote: »

The only thing you should be afraid of is the vaccine that will result from all of this hysteria.

Hysteria? Ironic that an anti vaxxer should mention that word in your post.:rolleyes:

Dr Geha says as fears of a recession grow, Australia needs migrants “more now than ever before” to boost economic output and stem the damage to the hard-hit education, tourism and agriculture industries.

An urban planning expert has called for more migrants, not less, in the face of “hysteria” over coronavirus that he warns could be hijacked by populists to “stoke immigration fears”.

Dr Shane Geha, managing director of EG Urban Planning, worries the government’s current travel restrictions on visitors coming from China, South Korea and Iran could fuel broader anti-immigration sentiment.

Dr Geha says as fears of a recession grow, Australia needs migrants “more now than ever before” to boost economic output and stem the damage to the hard-hit education, tourism and agriculture industries.
https://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/australian-economy/australia-needs-immigration-more-now-than-ever-before-to-offset-coronavirus-impact-expert-says/news-story/2fc4560c782ed83d3a2696c4e4522fb1

Cork Boy 53

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Numbers in other countries suggest a doubling every 3 days. But testing is key.

Going by that it could be something like:

60 cases by Tuesday
120 by Friday
240 by Bank holiday Monday
480 by Thursday after paddy’s
960 by mothers day.

On a ooint of order there is no bank holiday Monday this month. St Patrick`s Day will be a Tuesday.

Darc19

Talisman wrote: »

Fecking hell - that Business Post front page is a real headline grabber.

Business post has moved into tabloid territory with scare headlines recently.

I cancelled my subscription as it changed far to much

owlbethere

Can I ask something please?


The worldometers, last updated about an hour ago, says China is up 45 cases today.

I thought they were on lockdown since January to prevent or slow down spread. How is it spreading when I presume their movements out is very limited.

ZX7R

Deleted User wrote: »

Dr Geha says as fears of a recession grow, Australia needs migrants “more now than ever before” to boost economic output and stem the damage to the hard-hit education, tourism and agriculture industries.

An urban planning expert has called for more migrants, not less, in the face of “hysteria” over coronavirus that he warns could be hijacked by populists to “stoke immigration fears”.

Dr Shane Geha, managing director of EG Urban Planning, worries the government’s current travel restrictions on visitors coming from China, South Korea and Iran could fuel broader anti-immigration sentiment.

Dr Geha says as fears of a recession grow, Australia needs migrants “more now than ever before” to boost economic output and stem the damage to the hard-hit education, tourism and agriculture industries.
https://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/australian-economy/australia-needs-immigration-more-now-than-ever-before-to-offset-coronavirus-impact-expert-says/news-story/2fc4560c782ed83d3a2696c4e4522fb1

ITS pretty much the same for Ireland we need to keep the economy ticking over short term,long term we have stimuli and cash reserve but if you intrudes it too early it wont help

Talisman

owlbethere wrote: »

I thought they were on lockdown since January to prevent or slow down spread. How is it spreading when I presume their movements out is very limited.

Some of the new cases have come from external sources, e.g. people returning from Italy.

Graces7

ChikiChiki wrote: »

I just don't see that given how spread out we are in rural Ireland and the precautions people are beginning to take.

It's definitely possible numerically and from what we know about the virus itself.

The rural aspect will protect many. Looking at West mayo where we are spread out. If we capitalise on this. eg shop for older folk. Far easier to do this in a rural setting than in a town centre.

Graces7

Miike wrote: »

Makes me wonder what consistencies are possible for third level institutions. A lot of exams to be sat in 8 weeks time - I can't help but wonder how they're going to navigate that mine field if the projections for spread are true (12 week to peak etc). You can't indefinitely postpone exams, surely?

There are many things that will need to be adapted; best to start planning soon?Rather than last minute panic that will affect exam performance

caveat emptor

Xertz wrote: »

The EU and ECB are looking at doing a fairly big fiscal stimulus package to help with this. Discussions began about ten days ago on this at EU level. It’ll just take some time for all 27 members to agree and action to be taken.

You have to remember the EU is the collective will of 27 countries. It’s “us” and it doesn’t tend to act all by itself on big spend issues. It will have to get the views of all 27 members and come up with a joint plan.

Despite the mythology in the British press, the EU is about as far from a big scary centralised bureaucracy as you could get. It’s often slow moving because it’s about pooling decision making through negotiation and discussion, not taking power away from members.

Also the ECB can help with central banking tools but the EU itself doesn’t have a large budget to play with anyway. There isn’t a federal system in place. All it can really do is coordinate things and try to create a fund but that takes willingness by member states.

It’s not the US federal government nor is it anything like the tabloids imagine it to be.

That might explain some things thanks for sharing. If it spreads to different nations makes it easier to get consensus. Much like the banking contagion. Germany was not in favour of bailing out greeks and Italians etc.

Could have easily closed borders etc. People are saying it's not effective in halting it but Chinese cities (other than wuhan) are not overwhelmed. Yes there would have been a cost associated with this but look at every place that has had an outbreak. The quarantine is inevitable and the only effective counter-measure when it starts taking hold. I'm sure people in Italy are washing have been washing hands.

I find it interesting that Italy disregarded WHO advice for fear of economic cost of such measures. When the system is teetering on the brink they are forced to implement it. Much better to get ahead of it and stop system being overwhelmed.

but what do I know, I'm just an ordinary Joe soap.

ChikiChiki

Talisman wrote: »

Fecking hell - that Business Post front page is a real headline grabber.

Very surprised at them Tbh. Usually a good solid publication but this is OTT.

joe_99

owlbethere wrote: »

Can I ask something please?


The worldometers, last updated about an hour ago, says China is up 45 cases today.

I thought they were on lockdown since January to prevent or slow down spread. How is it spreading when I presume their movements out is very limited.

45 new cases from 10s of thousands infected is unbelievable