Coronavirus Part IV - 19 cases in ROI, 7 in NI (as of 7 March) *Read warnings in OP*

Strazdas

Mic 1972 wrote: »

this was excellent, lots of interesting points

• Very rare to be infected and showing no symptoms, usually symptoms will eventually appear
• Younger people do get infected and can die very quickly, it is still unclear what categories are at risk

I suspect many millions of people in Europe are not at risk of contracting it (definitely those who are very healthy or anyone with a strong immune system).

If it was genuinely super contagious, cases in Europe would already be in the tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands.

Cilldara_2000

Maddox Jealous Yard wrote: »

1% more than usual currently so, four weeks into detection there. At what percentage increase of the death rate will you be changing your routine? Or will you wait until the health system is completely overwhelmed to recalibrate your risk?

It’s not 1% because the number of deaths is total so far over the course of the outbreak versus average per day. OFC it may well exceed that in time as one would expect the deaths to increase significantly each day.

I will change my routine when I am advised to do so by the relevant authorities. I was already conscious of personal hygiene and manners so my hand washing and not coughing/sneezing in people’s faces routine hasn’t changed.

Recalibrate my risk of what?

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Strazdas wrote: »

I suspect many millions of people in Europe are not at risk of contracting it (definitely those who are very healthy or anyone with a strong immune system).

If it was genuinely super contagious, cases in Europe would already be in the tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands.

How could the technicians across Europe have physically tested that volume of people in a month?

fritzelly

bodhrandude wrote: »

I'm not crazy right wing but this Liberal opinion piece. Well Said.

Maybe need to spread your wings for your online reporting
Self serving opinion pieces and in the vein of The Sun for it's "reporting"

wakka12

Strazdas wrote: »

I suspect many millions of people in Europe are not at risk of contracting it (definitely those who are very healthy or anyone with a strong immune system).

If it was genuinely super contagious, cases in Europe would already be in the tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands.

There are already over 6000 cases in Europe with many more suspected or awaiting results, likely at least half are not reported, could already be in the tens of thousands.

fritzelly

Strazdas wrote: »

I suspect many millions of people in Europe are not at risk of contracting it (definitely those who are very healthy or anyone with a strong immune system).

If it was genuinely super contagious, cases in Europe would already be in the tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands.

Do you understand if you are young, healthy and with a good immune system does not make you immune from catching it?

Ulysses Gaze

https://twitter.com/vonny39886514/status/1236018449018753028

Kaisr Sose

Maddox Jealous Yard wrote: »

I'm going to have to ask you to go ahead and have a read of the thread. The situation is open to interpretation at this stage. I'm a gambling man and my decision is to take no chances with this one.

If I'm wrong, I'll throw my hands up and admit it. I hope I'm wrong. Global supply chains and economies rely on people going out, working and spending money. When the risk of infection is too great to enable those of us who remain to leave our houses, that's all going to collapse.

I'll ring Paddy Power tomorrow and check the odds on that one.


1% more than usual currently so, four weeks into detection there. At what percentage increase of the death rate will you be changing your routine? Or will you wait until the health system is completely overwhelmed to recalibrate your risk?

I have been reading some of the thresd but a kot of it is specualtion and doomsday stuff. I understand supply chain and also percentwges. Life goes on and economic activity will go on. I am too busy to bother reading all this thread. It should come with a health warning equal to or greater than an risk of Covid infection.
There is of course a tinychance you are correct, but its not worth dwelliing on. More people were killed on our roads in the past 8 days than by any virus but nobody seems too cincerned by that. Accidents happen, people die but if they are exposed to a virus, we are doomed. I would rsthrr people slow down on our roads and obey the trsffic laws. That would save a few lives and perhaps cancel out the deaths thst may arise from this virus. But for many, thsts irrelwvant. They are consumed by this virus before it even infects them.
On the bright side, Boards.ie are coining it with all the data and adserving revenues from millions of views of these threads. Bad news makes money too.

Cilldara_2000

Incidentally how exactly does one prepare oneself for the collapse of society? No point buying stuff because in the absence of society someone bigger than you will just steal it.

Maddox Jealous Yard

Maddox Jealous Yard wrote: »

How could the technicians across Europe have physically tested that volume of people in a month?

What technicians are you taking about? A technician can't diagnose. You don't know what your are talking about.

SAXA

I know that that Medical pro professional in Clare got tested originally and was a negative. Would all here who called him all names under the sun apologise.. I think not

Strazdas

fritzelly wrote: »

Do you understand if you are young, healthy and with a good immune system does not make you immune from catching it?

Yes, but those who catch it are still a small minority. Tens of millions or hundreds of millions of people don't contract the flu in Europe every winter.....it's a tiny fraction of that

wakka12

Strazdas wrote: »

Yes, but those who catch it are still a small minority. Tens of millions or hundreds of millions of people don't contract the flu in Europe every winter.....it's a tiny fraction of that

Tens of millions of people in Europe do contract flu every winter

Westernyelp

Cilldara_2000 wrote: »

Incidentally how exactly does one prepare oneself for the collapse of society? No point buying stuff because in the absence of society someone bigger than you will just steal it.

Build a Thunderdome run shows at 3pm and 9pm.

Strazdas

wakka12 wrote: »

There are already over 6000 cases in Europe with many more suspected or awaiting results, likely at least half are not reported, could already be in the tens of thousands.

Those are still very small numbers. If it was hyper contagious, one solitary person could infect hundreds of others (and repeated in every case).....that is just not happening.

nocoverart

So the odds of this mutating like the severity of the second wave of the Spanish Flu should be extremely low, right? I mean that was unprecedented times with a world war and all that crap.

Louche Lad

Cilldara_2000 wrote: »

Incidentally how exactly does one prepare oneself for the collapse of society? No point buying stuff because in the absence of society someone bigger than you will just steal it.

Start a prepper/survivalist thread?

ITman88

nocoverart wrote: »

I reckon the people online who are casual about this are the same kind of folk I come across everyday who sneeze and cough openly without any regard for others.

Goodman, so if your NOT on the verge of a mental breakdown, posting horse€&@€; facts and figures, and scaremongering vulnerable people with general tripe talk . . You sneeze and cough openly!

Strazdas

wakka12 wrote: »

Tens of millions of people in Europe do contract flu every winter

Less than that....maybe 5m (around one in every hundred people)

tails_naf

Deleted User wrote: »

What technicians are you taking about? A technician can't diagnose. You don't know what your are talking about.

focusing on semantics doesn't help, the point was that there is no way for qualified professionals to diagnose that quantity of cases.

05eaftqbrs9jlh

Kaisr Sose wrote: »

I have been reading some of the thresd but a kot of it is specualtion and doomsday stuff. I understand supply chain and also percentwges. Life goes on and economic activity will go on. I am too busy to bother reading all this thread. It should come with a health warning equal to or greater than an risk of Covid infection.
There is of course a tinychance you are correct, but its not worth dwelliing on. More people were killed on our roads in the past 8 days than by any virus but nobody seems too cincerned by that. Accidents happen, people die but if they are exposed to a virus, we are doomed. I would rsthrr people slow down on our roads and obey the trsffic laws. That would save a few lives and perhaps cancel out the deaths thst may arise from this virus. But for many, thsts irrelwvant. They are consumed by this virus before it even infects them.
On the bright side, Boards.ie are coining it with all the data and adserving revenues from millions of views of these threads. Bad news makes money too.

Great points. Especially about the road deaths. But fortunately traffic accidents aren't contagious and don't start to occur with more regular frequency and spread their pattern of growth across countries with the passage of time.

Unfortunately your complacency is an attitude I'm disinclined towards. It's not an accident if you stand in the middle of a train track and wait.

I'm sorry if you're worried, but I'm glad if it stirs momentum in you and leads to a more cautious disposition. We're delaying the inevitable and you can still decide at this point if you're going to fall prey to inaction or if you'll actually behave in a way which will ensure your survival. Next week could be too late.

fritzelly

Strazdas wrote: »

Yes, but those who catch it are still a small minority. Tens of millions or hundreds of millions of people don't contract the flu in Europe every winter.....it's a tiny fraction of that

You are just making yourself looking like a fool with these absurd statements

Westernyelp

nocoverart wrote: »

So the odds of this mutating like the severity of the second wave of the Spanish Flu should be extremely low, right? I mean that was unprecedented times with a world war and all that crap.

They didnt have ICU's, Ventilators or Modern healthcare etc so a little bit different.

fritzelly

Cilldara_2000 wrote: »

Incidentally how exactly does one prepare oneself for the collapse of society? No point buying stuff because in the absence of society someone bigger than you will just steal it.

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JJayoo

So if people weren't travelling through Northern Italy we would have no cases? Great thanks Italy

wakka12

Strazdas wrote: »

Those are still very small numbers. If it was hyper contagious, one solitary person could infect hundreds of others (and repeated in every case).....that is just not happening.

What are you on about hundreds? The R0 is 1-2. Most people with it will probably infect 1-2 people

fritzelly

nocoverart wrote: »

So the odds of this mutating like the severity of the second wave of the Spanish Flu should be extremely low, right? I mean that was unprecedented times with a world war and all that crap.

Unknown - come back in 6 months and ask the question again if there is anyone left to answer it

If you believe the Chinese "scientists" there is already a worse mutation out there

Westernyelp

JJayoo wrote: »

So if people weren't travelling through Northern Italy we would have no cases? Great thanks Italy

You are a 100% right, No doubt about it.

wakka12

Strazdas wrote: »

Less than that....maybe 5m (around one in every hundred people)

'Seasonal influenza causes 4 -50 million symptomatic cases in EU/EEA each year, and 15 000 – 70 000 European citizens die every year of causes associated with influenza. '
https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/seasonal-influenza/facts/factsheet
Influenza has a lower R0 than COVID. So COVID will likely infected tens of millions of europeans. Any more unsubstantiated statements to make?

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[Deleted User] wrote: »

What technicians are you taking about? A technician can't diagnose. You don't know what your are talking about.

tails_naf wrote: »

focusing on semantics doesn't help, the point was that there is no way for qualified professionals to diagnose that quantity of cases.

I mean, I know he's a pharmacist, but I'd at least have expected him to know the roles of his colleagues.

A medical and clinical laboratory technician is someone who conducts lab tests ordered by doctors and other healthcare providers. Working with laboratory machines, microscopes, and computers, they examine human tissue samples and bodily fluids in order to identify abnormalities and to determine diagnoses